More South Africans will likely quit their jobs and emigrate in the coming months: expert

Nerfherder

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Jeez, I have been waiting for things to get better since the Big Crocodile's failed and fuscked up Rubicon speech.

Things are never going to get better, the ANC are trying as hard as they can to fusck more things up.
There is also the other angle that "where else is better ?"
There are places that are great if you have lots of money and family... otherwise not so great.
 

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There is also the other angle that "where else is better ?"
There are places that are great if you have lots of money and family... otherwise not so great.

I'm seriously considering moving to Colonia in Uruguay.

Nice weather, close to BA, civilized and peaceful. Can have USD accounts. Will have to do a crash course in Spanish.
 

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No, closer to BA, Colonia del Sacramento. (I abbreviated the name, didn't think anyone would actually look it up).


Very nice place.

Could easily settle down there. From the beach you can see the tops of the skyscrapers in BA.

You can pop over to BA with a 1 hour ferry ride, and go and watch opera/ballet, or whatever tickles your fancy.

Homogenous population, so not much racism, etc. Think mainly Italian/Spanish descent.

Locals were pretty friendly, and I think that I could learn Spanish.

Unfortunately no direct flights from SA to Buenos Aires or Montevideo, that ended a few years ago.
 
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Not entirely. Many are remaining here while the getting is good, but have contingency plans to get out in a hurry. Still decent money and a good life to be had here - just send it all offshore and have your backup plan ready to go for when the poo hits the fan.

What I'm seeing on FB emigration groups is those who aren't very well off leaving in droves as they can't buy their way into another country and put plans in motion over the past few years to get ancestral visas sorted etc.
It’s worth also considering that “while the getting is good”, you’re probably falling behind income/wealth wise in comparison to where you would be if you left earlier. Depends on one’s situation of course, but a senior role in SA often means significantly less net savings than the equivalent role overseas
 

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My opinion from my lived experience:
The level of stress people live under in SA is unbelievably high (unless you completely insulate yourself from everything that is going on). Constant awareness of your surroundings is draining. Constant worries about when the next Eskom fokop is going to be. Worries about the worsening water situation. News of corruption and lack of consequences. Worries about the economy. Worries about NHI, EWC, prescribed assets. It all adds up. I had no idea how bad it was until I spent 3 weeks out of it in 2019. It actually felt like a physical lightening of a load. That is what actually spurred my wife and I to investigate living elsewhere.

It's coming from someone who calls fear irrational and he's only been affected once blah blah ...... I and others get exactly what you're saying - his type won't. It's amazing how being out of that constant state of worry and stress and fear can completely change your life for the better. On top of that, it applies to rich saffers and poor saffers alike who managed to gtfo.
 

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It's coming from someone who calls fear irrational and he's only been affected once blah blah ...... I and others get exactly what you're saying - his type won't. It's amazing how being out of that constant state of worry and stress and fear can completely change your life for the better. On top of that, it applies to rich saffers and poor saffers alike who managed to gtfo.
You can only worry about things within your control, worrying about things out of your control is a psychological dysfunction.

Back in the day we’d call it a mid life crisis. Get a new hairstyle, buy a motorcycle, happy days.

Blaming Eskom and ANC is just laughable in my opinion. Tends to be a regurgitated response these days. Whatever happened to emigrating to study at a prestigious university like Cambridge or going to Vegas to be a showgirl or like Charlize did to be a world famous actress.
Running away lol, gtfo :)
 

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There will always be people who leave to seek good opportunities elsewhere.

But now people are leaving because they are afraid of what is coming.

Even though they don't really want to leave.
 

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You can only worry about things within your control, worrying about things out of your control is a psychological dysfunction.

Back in the day we’d call it a mid life crisis. Get a new hairstyle, buy a motorcycle, happy days.

Blaming Eskom and ANC is just laughable in my opinion. Tends to be a regurgitated response these days. Whatever happened to emigrating to study at a prestigious university like Cambridge or going to Vegas to be a showgirl or like Charlize did to be a world famous actress.
Running away lol, gtfo :)
All those things are in your control, actually. Your choice to stay in the country is what exposes you to those risks, at the end of the day.

Not everyone is Cambridge or Hollywood material - what's wrong with emigrating to seek a better quality of life with lower (or different) stresses? Why does that have to be called "running away"? Do you get some kind of medal or achievement popup when you die if you got a new motorcycle, a new hairstyle and stayed on in the country? #ImStaying kudos points?
 

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All those things are in your control, actually. Your choice to stay in the country is what exposes you to those risks, at the end of the day.

Not everyone is Cambridge or Hollywood material - what's wrong with emigrating to seek a better quality of life with lower (or different) stresses? Why does that have to be called "running away"? Do you get some kind of medal or achievement popup when you die if you got a new motorcycle, a new hairstyle and stayed on in the country? #ImStaying kudos points?
If it quacks like a duck...
 

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It’s worth also considering that “while the getting is good”, you’re probably falling behind income/wealth wise in comparison to where you would be if you left earlier. Depends on one’s situation of course, but a senior role in SA often means significantly less net savings than the equivalent role overseas

In my personal circumstances, I can save higher % and $ amount monthly here than I could overseas, while having better working conditions. This is purely down to relationships/networks which have been built up over nearly 2 decades. It would take a long time to reproduce that in a different country, and may not even be possible at all. I know a number of people in this position (most of them business owners who know the party will end eventually, but are prepared for it).
 

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You can only worry about things within your control, worrying about things out of your control is a psychological dysfunction.

Back in the day we’d call it a mid life crisis. Get a new hairstyle, buy a motorcycle, happy days.

Blaming Eskom and ANC is just laughable in my opinion. Tends to be a regurgitated response these days. Whatever happened to emigrating to study at a prestigious university like Cambridge or going to Vegas to be a showgirl or like Charlize did to be a world famous actress.
Running away lol, gtfo :)

So now to have no power, no water, no services, hijacked, broken into, raped, murdered is a mid life crisis that can be fixed with a new hairstyle ...... christ, you're obviously one of those types. People leave and people stay for a multitude of reasons. Not one of them will stay for your reasons but hey, you keep applying your bubble life to everyone and pass judgement :rolleyes:
 

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So now to have no power, no water, no services, hijacked, broken into, raped, murdered is a mid life crisis that can be fixed with a new hairstyle ...... christ, you're obviously one of those types. People leave and people stay for a multitude of reasons. Not one of them will stay for your reasons but hey, you keep applying your bubble life to everyone and pass judgement :rolleyes:
Yep running away.
You run away from what you don’t like or you run away from perceived danger.
You run towards what you want or what you love.
 

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There will always be people who leave to seek good opportunities elsewhere.

But now people are leaving because they are afraid of what is coming.

Even though they don't really want to leave.

People been leaving for fear since 1993.

The difference is since 2010, well more 2015, the ability to leave has become more of a pressing issue as ability to move for opportunity has not been easier. It is now, due to technology and just a lot more transparency, a lot easier to work out very accurately exactly what your cost of living will be and make an informed decision.. combo that’s with the slide in emerging market currencies as USD devalues it’s tough not to move unless you get paid the discount premium.

Combo that with tax & lifestyle comparison and yah.. you soon need to earn significantly for the risk (the Africa specialist experience).
 
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