More than 11 000 Skilled South Africans Migrate to New Zealand in the First 6 Months of the Year

[Vrotappel]

We came in at 47, so not great but still ahead of New Zealand!

Well those Zimbabweans really like it here.

 

[Pegasus]

100% pure rip-off? New Zealand voted second-worst place to move to

Cost of living too high and pay too low, say survey respondents, though natural environment, climate and sporting life are appreciated

www.theguardian.com

Seems they jump around a bit for some reason, they were 15th in 2019


then 7th

6th

 

[PrimeSteak]

"This is the end for SA"

It's always like that with him.

Every time some **** like, "SA AT THE BRINK OF IMPLOSION/DESTRUCTION"

/three months later in some thread about a similar article
"SA AT THE BRINK OF IMPLOSION/DESTRUCTION"

 

[PrimeSteak]

Of all the problems we need to solve in SA, emigration is bottom of the list.

Agreed. Once the rest are solved or at least alleviated, many who left will return and the emigration numbers will drop.

We have so many other, more pressing problems in SA but nah, people emigrating is the big one.

So I just do the best I can in my life, given the realities. and good luck to those who go there, or anywhere.

Also agreed.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Better than just complaining on social media about how bad things are... bitching and moaning and whining about how concerning it is doesn't give one extra points over joking and deflecting from the problems.

You're not wrong though, it is a serious issue. A few things come to mind. One, do you any idea what we, as individuals, can do about it? I'm all ears if you think we should be doing something to stop people leaving, to hear what it is. Two, is emigration actually the problem we need to solve? To me the problem isn't that people are leaving, the problem is we don't always have the skills needed to replace them. Of all the problems we need to solve in SA, emigration is bottom of the list. Three, the Serenity Prayer from 12 Steps

Likely I don't have the wisdom to know the difference but I feel pretty helpless when it comes to the problems facing SA. So I just do the best I can in my life, given the realities. Maybe New Zealand has no problems, or a brighter future, and good luck to those who go there, or anywhere.

Unless you have a plan of some sort for making a difference in SA though, joking around and deflecting are the order of the day. Not complaining. And if you do have a plan I'm interested to know more...

No I do not have a plan...and never implied I did.

I also do not understand the NZ/Oz/UK attraction apart from legacy emigration patterns and seemingly easy integration based on Language.

My issue is with the fact that emigration is regarded as a joke and not a serious issue by certain members...who would rather attack and insult the poster than voice their concerns...or lack thereof...regarding this phenomena.

People need to recognize it as a symptom of the current climate in SA...

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Agreed. Once the rest are solved or at least alleviated, many who left will return and the emigration numbers will drop.

We have so many other, more pressing problems in SA but nah, people emigrating is the big one.

Also agreed.

You're not seeing the forest for the trees...also blinded by your typical and immediate disdain for the poster.

The message is clear: a lot of skilled people are leaving...and without these people the chances of fixing the more pressing issues aka the reasons people are leaving in droves...are becoming more and more less likely.

Does that not concern you?

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

I thought you were being miserable in some faraway land?

I am extremely happy in a faraway land...

But thanks for helping me make my point by posting yet another pointless post, with the sole purpose of just trolling.

 

[PrimeSteak]

You're not seeing the forest for the trees...also blinded by your typical and immediate disdain for the poster.

The message is clear: a lot of skilled people are leaving...and without these people the chances of fixing the more pressing issues aka the reasons people are leaving in droves...are becoming more and more less likely.

Does that not concern you?

While sure, skilled people leaving ain't always the best thing to happen. But emigration happens, it is what it is.
But don't we see these articles every once in a while, repeating the same story over and over? So far, SA has not imploded solely because of these people who left?

But you and the poster are acting as if these people were the only skilled people out of a country of 60 million. Therefore, the sky is falling.

Please don't misunderstand me here, I'm not saying SA is perfect by any metric, but acting like skilled people who emigrate will singlehandedly destroy us before even the ANC does is unreasonable.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

South Africans are worried SA will be pulled away (read "isolated") from the rest of the world by our association with BRICS.
And even if we are not facing isolation, then possible economic fallout from said association. At a time when there is already economic fallout simply from the current world events.

I expected this to happen. It's because our government doesn't have the balls to take a principled stance to a brutal unilateral invasion by Russia.
There's plenty to be worried about. Who knows where this will go?

Wrong thread?

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Are you going to give me money so I can emigate?

Why would I do that? So do you want to emigrate?

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Dreadful! Are you okay?

Another pointless post.

 

[prod]

This is the end for SA. No recovering from this.

Sure Lewis, go outside ffs

 

[PrimeSteak]

People need to recognize it as a symptom of the current climate in SA...

It is yes, but it isn't at the top of the list when it comes to SA's problems nor will it singlehandedly destroy SA.

Like @C4Cat said, it's at the bottom of the SA's problem pile.

 

[The Trutherizer]

Wrong thread?

Why? I stated what I think is one of the leading causes of increased emigration currently.

 

[neoprema]

Was it all fleeing?
I think a lot was people who made new decisions about their lives during the pandemic. There’s been a lot of movement globally.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

While sure, skilled people leaving ain't always the best thing to happen. But emigration happens, it is what it is.
But don't we see these articles every once in a while, repeating the same story over and over? So far, SA has not imploded solely because of these people who left?

But you and the poster are acting as if these people were the only skilled people out of a country of 60 million. Therefore, the sky is falling.

Please don't misunderstand me here, I'm not saying SA is perfect by any metric, but acting like skilled people who emigrate will singlehandedly destroy us before even the ANC does is unreasonable.

So if a phenomenon is being reported on more and more frequently...it suddenly becomes a "cry wolf" scenario?...that's just ridiculous.

Ignore the OP's "sky is falling" demeanor for a moment and just look at the facts.

Saying "emigration happens" does not hide the fact that this is a serious issue. There are a LOT of skilled people leaving...daily and in bigger and bigger numbers...these are not unskilled workers returning their country of origin after picking fruit here for a year or two.

And these are just the NZ number...which I , from personal experience, fear may be the lowest.

How many people out of the 60 million you mention, are SKILLED?

34% are unemployable...i.e. based on their age. (under 14 and above 65)

That leaves 40 million.

More than half of those are unemployed

That leaves 20 million....

See how quickly the numbers dwindle.

Now of these 20 million how many are SKILLED ?

Say 40 000 skilled people leave these shores PER MONTH to just the 4 main countries that people emigrate to...

Is this still a laughing matter. 'cos the OP is seen as a Chicken Little?

 

[Pegasus]

While sure, skilled people leaving ain't always the best thing to happen. But emigration happens, it is what it is.
But don't we see these articles every once in a while, repeating the same story over and over? So far, SA has not imploded solely because of these people who left?

But you and the poster are acting as if these people were the only skilled people out of a country of 60 million. Therefore, the sky is falling.

Please don't misunderstand me here, I'm not saying SA is perfect by any metric, but acting like skilled people who emigrate will singlehandedly destroy us before even the ANC does is unreasonable.

60 million highly skilled people?

 

[PrimeSteak]

60 million highly skilled people?

No, more like there have to be more than 11 000 skilled people in a population of 60 million...

 

[Pegasus]

No, more like there have to be more than 11 000 skilled people in a population of 60 million...

How many?

Say its 11000 doctors leaving.

Easy to replace. No problem right?

 

[PrimeSteak]

So if a phenomenon is being reported on more and more frequently...it suddenly becomes a "cry wolf" scenario?...that's just ridiculous.

It didn't say it's "cry wolf", I said that it's being reported on constantly yet SA still hasn't imploded solely because of the emigration.

Is this still a laughing matter. 'cos the OP is seen as a Chicken Little?

Didn't say it's a laughing matter.