More than 11 000 Skilled South Africans Migrate to New Zealand in the First 6 Months of the Year

[Howdy]

While sure, skilled people leaving ain't always the best thing to happen. But emigration happens, it is what it is.
But don't we see these articles every once in a while, repeating the same story over and over? So far, SA has not imploded solely because of these people who left?

If you're expecting a big boom implosion, that's not how it happens. It's gradual with only the rate increasing or decreasing. If you have to compare the annual discussions with "nothing to see here, move on attitudes ..", yet the country a bit worse each time we have these discussions, you'll see that gradual decline.

But you and the poster are acting as if these people were the only skilled people out of a country of 60 million. Therefore, the sky is falling.

Out of the 60 million, how many really have skills. I'm not talking about fancy titles like domestic manager. Many skills takes years to develop, for the person to become useful under the supervision of more skilled persons. In certain sectors you lose that institutionalized knowledge. A raw varsity/college graduate cannot do what's required because the mentorship is gone, so a second best or wing-it approach is taken. It costs the country millions we don't have and in some cases are dangerous.

Please don't misunderstand me here, I'm not saying SA is perfect by any metric, but acting like skilled people who emigrate will singlehandedly destroy us before even the ANC does is unreasonable.

One person, no. But a continuous flow will. The results are not evident immediately, but eventually the crisis materializes.

Eskom and everybody is replaceable attitude: No problem, get Hitachi in? Medupi and Kusile boilers? No institutionalized knowledge of the coal types and knowledge on how to design for local circumstances. Eskom knew how to build generators. Today the real experts still working, are living in foreign countries, probably laughing their arses off. Sanitation? Let's get the army in. The Cubans in ... Why? How is it working out?

 

[Howdy]

How many?

Say its 11000 doctors leaving.

Easy to replace. No problem right?

Cuba!

 

[Howdy]

Didn't say it's a laughing matter.

There is a big difference between ridiculing the situation and those responsible and ridiculing the op. A head in the sand approach, not my problem, won't help either.

 

[Harmonic]

Just shows you what a shithole our country is for highly skilled people.

I'm reasonably skilled (degrees, experience etc). I'm not bothering trying to make a living locally. I am enjoying the sun and natural beauty while it lasts though. Contributing far more to a foreign countries GDP than my own. This is my FU to the anc

 

[Dolby]

But don't we see these articles every once in a while, repeating the same story over and over? So far, SA has not imploded solely because of these people who left?

It's not going to implode over night.

You'll start seeing signs of a failing country like degradation of infrastructure (power, water, roads), the economy downturn , rife corruption, increase of emigration figures , rising unemployment etc

Luckily South Africa doesn't match.... /s

Of the 60 million, how many are tax payers?

We (South Africa) witnessed the decline of other African nations and we knew the signs. We should've been able to avoid the situation we're in now - but we're probably going to go the same way. We're certainly on our way there, I guess it's just a question of how long?

 

[Vrotappel]

A bridge decays slowly, then suddenly it collapses.

Time for the deployed ANC cadres and their supporters to catch a wake up.

 

[PrimeSteak]

We (South Africa) witnessed the decline of other African nations and we knew the signs. We should've been able to avoid the situation we're in now - but we're probably going to go the same way. We're certainly on our way there, I guess it's just a question of how long?

Yes, things are shite atm. But as the saying goes "the darkest hour is just before the dawn" (no relation to Cyril's New Dawn btw lol).

Change is coming. Slowly, but surely ANC voters, stalwarts and even their top defenders in media are turning their backs on 'em. Your average joe is starting to call out the ANC, their kak and their kak leadership.

I believe that if everything goes well, as current numbers suggest, ANC will be out in 2024. Then the rebuilding can start and the expats can come home.

 

[Acid0]

A bridge decays slowly, then suddenly it collapses.

Time for the deployed ANC cadres and their supporters to catch a wake up.

Unfortunately a big chunk of the supporters don't care if a "few" people leave as they still get the grant, but that is where the irony sits

 

[G'Wobblez]

Isn't it just because there are jobs.
South Africa doesn't have many jobs for skilled people.
What would you do? Unfortunately not everyone is an entrepreneur.

Not everyone has the luxury to sit somewhere and wait for employment. I'm sure if there was a demand for unskilled labor the number would have been higher?

 

[Acid0]

Yes, things are shite atm. But as the saying goes "the darkest hour is just before the dawn" (no relation to Cyril's New Dawn btw lol).

Change is coming. Slowly, but surely ANC voters, stalwarts and even their top defenders in media are turning their backs on 'em. Your average joe is starting to call out the ANC, their kak and their kak leadership.

I believe that if everything goes well, as current numbers suggest, ANC will be out in 2024. Then the rebuilding can start and the expats can come home.

The scary part is who will replace them.... guess the DA is the most likely one

 

[PrimeSteak]

guess the DA is the most likely one

DA-led coalition if everything works out.

EFF won't work with ANC if Cyril or one of his allies is in power, however, if RET is... But funnily enough, some EFF voters have started rejecting EFF and moving over to either ASA, PA or to movements like Dudula.

I have the belief that things would improve under a DA-led national coalition government (tbh probably anyone except EFF could do better than ANC atm).

 

[G'Wobblez]

Unfortunately the damage is so bad no matter who takes over it will be viewed as a failure if they can not fix it.
The generation of instant gratification.

 

[backstreetboy]

Why would I do that? So do you want to emigrate?

I want to win the powerball.

 

[rvZA]

 

[Senor]

1.What is the economic trajectory of SA
2. What are the chances of a reversal.

That's what matters, imo.

 

[Dolby]

I believe that if everything goes well, as current numbers suggest, ANC will be out in 2024. Then the rebuilding can start and the expats can come home.

ANC could be out - but rebuilding? I think we're too far down the rabbit hole.

I'm in the situation where all my close friends and family have gone during the past 2 years. I have very few people left here.

I chat to my friends abroad and they'll be the first to acknowledge they miss many aspects of home. But if asked directly if they'll come back to SA, every single one says they'll rather stay where they are and visit us.

Those that left 5 years ago and returned for a vacation can see just how fast we've deteriorate in a few short years.

We're like the frog that is being boiled slowly : We're not going to notice the changes because they're 'slow' and it's too late

 

[Dolby]

I'm sure we all know the super patriotic 'this is my country and I'll stay' types. The guys that have game farms and walk around in khaki clothes. The guys they laugh at people leaving the country.

What's scary is when *they* start to say 'maybe leaving isn't such a bad idea...'...

 

[Thugscub]

The "Owl Run" before it becomes the "Chicken Run" when it all goes totally to destruction.

 

[rvZA]

The long and the short of this is easy.... South Africa does not have the capacity, the capability or the will to recover and rebuild. It will stagnate and become... just plain Africa. South Africa, just like all African countries will just sit back with open hands and beg from and blame the West. Those who are young, who still wants to study, progress and find a good job, will have no option but to find it abroad or simply end up in someone's back yard or under a tree.

 

[airborne]

100% pure rip-off? New Zealand voted second-worst place to move to

Cost of living too high and pay too low, say survey respondents, though natural environment, climate and sporting life are appreciated

www.theguardian.com

I don’t about that list considering this:
“Mexico was ranked first in the survey, with particularly high scores for personal finance and the ease of settling in.”

That’s the cartel capital of the world, I thought all the Mexicans were heading over the border to the US.