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OK, meaning it automatically sheds the white only evil associated with gambling. Got it.It is, the government just generates more revenue from that.
It's business. And business makes the government money. Hell, it pays my bills. But then I'm white. And the government doesn't give a f**k: they'd rather so it go under, and those 'evil' whites punished with a certain loss of revenue. It's never this blatant, but much more subtle. But it's in the mind's eye of those concerned. I have always said that this country could easily go the route of Zimbabwe. Hell, it ruined the country economically, but it was a price that had to be paid for a positive outcome: the Whites were at least out. Whites with their online gambling businesses could hire lots of blacks, still wouldn't cut it. Why don't black people launch whatever damn business they like? This isn't a conspiracy, it's what's called 'an open market'. Something government have yet to learn about. But then it's Africa, and the finger needs to be in the pie every step of the way. What I don't understand is, whether it's black, white, or brown running the operation, government DOES make revenue, in that glorious term entitled 'taxation'. So, please ministers, leave us alone to make money, pay our taxes and those with issues regarding online gambing (addicts etc) RATHER GIVE THEM A DECENT FACILITY FOR HELP. The UK does this. Free phone help, walk-in Gamblers Anonymous centres. But then here it means spending money from the government's coffers. Heaven forbid. Easier just to blame others and try to stamp it out. Shut this down, and I just get closer to my relocation to Australia. Where I get shed of this racism, and where I get something for my taxes I pay. Rant over.
I'd still like to know why if it's 'evil', why so many billions of people do it. Showing a lot of faith in humanity by judging it in this light. Are billions inherently 'evil'? Do we need to be punished? Who the hell are you to decide? I leave my judgements to my own concience, and let other's do the same for themselves. Unless others get hurt in the process (real crime, such as robbery and general theft in order to fund a habit) - then it's a different story. But if I keep my business nice and tidy and to myself, who the f**k do you think you are to take the moral high-ground? Especially when we all know it's smoke and mirrors. Doom this as 'evil' but corruption runs rife. Double-standards, with the latter being the real issue that should be addressed. This is just a distraction so one doesn't notice the sh*t in their own back-yard. Second rant over.
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I'm in agreement with the fact that they should not make money out of it.
To regulate may be another issue that if tackled correctly, would be a benefit to those playing.
To curb? mmmm Social evil 'ay?
If the morales are bothering them so much, then get rid of alcohol. (Not my supply )But if they bring morales and ethics into it then get rid of dop and fatty foods which impact poorly on people's health.
Social evil - government is a social evil - hows about we regulate or curb their salary increases.
oh come on - there aren't billions gambling online... in SA its around 75,000 active online gamblers if that - the US banned online gambling this year and it's currently illegal to interactively gamble in South Africa at the moment. The reality is that gambling is never a long term way of making money - at the end of the day the house always wins however whether or not its the same house edge as a traditional casino is the question. Computer random number generators have been proven to not be completely random.
If they do regulate it then there should be some key things introduced:
1) No deposits via credit card
2) Instant payment of winnings
3) No bonus or free money "promotions"
If they do regulate it then there should be some key things introduced:
1) No deposits via credit card
2) Instant payment of winnings
3) No bonus or free money "promotions"
Its not supposed to be a way of making money and anyone who thinks it is has a problem, its entertainment.
I can understand 2 but what's wrong with 1 and 3?
No problem with that - just stating the facts
#1. The playing field for online and traditional casinos has to be the same. And alot of people use credit in the hope that they'll win and be able to pay it back. Or lose and try win back their losses with money which they do not have.
#3. It is never free money. Deposit R1000 get R5000 free subject to wagering requirements etc etc - the average guy on the street would not even understand half the terms for bonuses and promotional offers. I have no problem with online casinos saying "Here, have R500 for free.." but then it has to be the same as traditional casinos where if you win or cashout the money (without playing) it is yours. ie. No terms and conditions on that free money. Imagine Monte Casino coming up to you and saying - wait we gave you R100 for free - u can't leave till you finished wagering a total of R5000 - people would be outraged.
Me too.
Can't you use a CC at traditional casinos? There's no denying people are stupid and can behave irresponsibly, I'm just not sure I agree with the attitude that they should be saved from themselves, ultimately its their money and their responsibility. There are also plenty of people that use CC's responsibly.
True, I don't really know much about it, not into gambling myself.
To my knowledge you can no longer purchase to gamble at a normal casino using a credit card. Also all ATMs have to be out of sight/not visible from the gambling floor and 'x' amount of distance away.
Also remember that if you're gambling with credit you shouldn't be gambling. In addition Visa/Mastercard International actually prohibits it and places the responsiblity on the bank issuing the card should any legal action arise. SA Banks just haven't realised the potential liability yet as online gambling isn't as widespread in SA as it was in the US.
Also remember that if you're gambling with credit you shouldn't be gambling. In addition Visa/Mastercard International actually prohibits it and places the responsiblity on the bank issuing the card should any legal action arise. SA Banks just haven't realised the potential liability yet as online gambling isn't as widespread in SA as it was in the US.
Didn't know that, of course its easy enough to draw cash using a credit card and IME all casinos are littered with ATM's, even if they're not technically visible from the gaming floor etc.
True but to a lot of people a credit card is just a convenience. If I have more than enough cash to cover my credit card balance and pay it in full at the end of the month its not really gambling with credit. Doesn't all intl online gambling occur via CC though? IIRC that was one of the ways they tried to shut it down in the US, by going after the payment processors.
I think the most responsible way for online casinos is to allow only debit card transactions. The US went after credit card processors initially (althouth the banks started it originally by introducing coded transactions) however the prohibition act was what stopped it.
Remember that drawing cash at an ATM using a credit card has a limit per cash withdrawal so in that way at least theres some sort of curb for people who might be in over their heads.
There are some interesting Australian surveys done on how peoples behaviour or irresponsibility differs with online internet casinos and traditional ones.
Remember that drawing cash at an ATM using a credit card has a limit per cash withdrawal so in that way at least theres some sort of curb for people who might be in over their heads.
There are some interesting Australian surveys done on how peoples behaviour or irresponsibility differs with online internet casinos and traditional ones.
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Ah for goodness sake explain dozens of world champions and billions of dollars!
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YOU LOT are way behind the curve. Stop telling us how to live our lives FFS!
(the lotto and babies down toilets yet you wish to speak morality!)
As to america. Only reason I can see is 'vested interests' keeping gambling in Vegas (and nowhere else.) I wonder why? (Let us remember the history of Vegas!)
I don't mean at that sort of level, and I was referring to gambling generally and not poker. I mean the sort of person that thinks they're going to "double their food budget for the month on roulette" probably has a problem.
I think you misinterpreted me, if you look at my posts on the thread I've consistently been against regulation and allowing people the freedom to gamble if they so choose.
What?