Mpumalanga homeowner shoots dead two intruders armed with knives

[Kola-CT]

Edit: Never mind

 

[Mekon]

Any police investigator worth their salt can read the scene and see if it's staged or not, doesn't need to take years and years and years and years and years and years to figure this out. These are barriers put in place by ANC to make things as difficult as possible. Could easily change the laws to "trespassers will be shot" and keep things simple.

It takes years because competence was replaced with cANCer incompetence.

 

[ForceFate]

Mielie stealing and kids hiding, jumping out in front of a bakkie.

Has that been established?

Guy jumping off the back of a bakkie, killing himself.
Brother looking for trouble on a farm ...

You tell us?

Link article? Why was this person being transported in the back of a bakkie? It's illegal afaik to transport people in the back of a bakkie under certain conditions.

 

[Howdy]

Has that been established?

You tell me, because he was already jailed and had to seek bail despite all the other evidence at hand.

Link article? Why was this person being transported in the back of a bakkie? It's illegal afaik to transport people in the back of a bakkie under certain conditions.

How disingenuous. Google Coligny, it's a matter of court record. What a fact check stain on the alt-realitity you're trying to dish up.

But if you want to go there: What about that farmer that stopped to help the EFF bakkie's occupants, where it had overturned. That sure caused a shock and spoils the plot! It died a quick silent death.

 

[ForceFate]

You tell me, because he was already jailed and had to seek bail despite all the other evidence at hand.

There was no evidence when he was arrested. Witnesses only came forward afterwards.

How disingenuous. Google Coligny, it's a matter of court record. What a fact check stain on the alt-realitity you're trying to dish up.

You reckon the judge erred in judgement? That the evidence provided was overwhelming? I did not follow the story but would read up a bit.

But if you want to go there: What about that farmer that stopped to help the EFF bakkie's occupants, where it had overturned.

So? What about him?

That sure caused a shock and spoils the plot! It died a quick silent death.

It caused a "shock" because media reported. Black people helping whites and vice versa is a daily occurrence. It doesn't surprise me when I see it. Loads of people share their stories on social media.

 

[Howdy]

There was no evidence when he was arrested. Witnesses only came forward afterwards.

Presumed innocence unless it can be proven differently. Much like the chap Ian Cameron's friends had to go fetch that caused Cele to have a heffy? Or not?

You reckon the judge erred in judgement? That the evidence provided was overwhelming? I did not follow the story but would read up a bit.

I'll give you a break on this one, it makes for an interesting read. Even the high court slammed the cops and judge on appeal.

So? What about him?

Not him, the "It's illegal afaik to transport people in the back of a bakkie under certain conditions." EFF members, them.

It caused a "shock" because media reported. Black people helping whites and vice versa is a daily occurrence. It doesn't surprise me when I see it. Loads of people share their stories on social media.

We might agree, but Julius and his crew disagrees. Many cops also makes no secret of being EFF members, confirming what JM & Co say. The to have Cele and his "SHURRUP" speech on the side? It should be a cause for concern. Does it not explain things we've seen where motorist are pulled over, mistreated and held on trumped up charges? We had no less than four examples in a short space in time on mybb, the first running to mybb for help, got trolled, after his wife was pulled over. A 7% minority group representing 100% of all the cases.

But we're getting there. Now let's look where we started:

Mpumalanga homeowner shoots dead two intruders armed with knives

The Titanic guy? Ian Cameron. The bloke who schooled Gaden-BOOI man! My bad

mybroadband.co.za

 

[ForceFate]

Presumed innocence unless it can be proven differently. Much like the chap Ian Cameron's friends had to go fetch that caused Cele to have a heffy? Or not?

I think you got it wrong there. Being arrested is not presumption of guilt. When the police arrived at the scene, they were confronted by injured kids and the driver of the car. According to the OP, police arrested the gentleman based on evidence available on the day.

I'll give you a break on this one, it makes for an interesting read. Even the high court slammed the cops and judge on appeal.

Not him, the "It's illegal afaik to transport people in the back of a bakkie under certain conditions." EFF members, them.

Farmers do it. Delivery businesses do it. Comrades and their hangers-on do it. People in informal business sector do it. However, if you get stopped, don't throw a hissy fit at the cops. It's prohibited in most instances.

We might agree, but Julius and his crew disagrees. Many cops also makes no secret of being EFF members, confirming what JM & Co say. The to have Cele and his "SHURRUP" speech on the side? It should be a cause for concern. Does it not explain things we've seen where motorist are pulled over, mistreated and held on trumped up charges? We had no less than four examples in a short space in time on mybb, the first running to mybb for help, got trolled, after his wife was pulled over. A 7% minority group representing 100% of all the cases.

But we're getting there. Now let's look where we started:

Mpumalanga homeowner shoots dead two intruders armed with knives

The Titanic guy? Ian Cameron. The bloke who schooled Gaden-BOOI man! My bad

mybroadband.co.za

 

[Kola-CT]

Anybody who commented on the thread so far an investigator or prosecutor by any chance?

 

[Defonotaltaccount]

Two less to be robbing the rest of us...Great news...
And if you dont have a gun...Why not....?
You are responsible for your own safety...

Why would anyone outsource their personal/family security ?
Its a mystery to me, Even in the US where its easy to get training and a gun.
You can have a private security company etc, they will always take time to reach you.

 

[Space]

 

[Defonotaltaccount]

I don't care much for criminals who fabricate stories after surviving such an ordeal or as in this case their family members who will seek some kind of reparation for their relatives death. It might not always influence the investigation but the constant cries of their own colour eats into their objectivity to fight crime. We see this daily, in how they respond to and fight crime.

They were getting their lives back on track.
Just needed some cash for college.
Were going to church most Sundays, is what you're saying ?

Lets just get a few things out the way first: You must use whatever force is necessary to defend your life. If the criminal dies, as a result of that, so be it. You have to aim to stop them which should involve center mass. But for example, if you missed a vital organ and they are writhing in pain on the ground, giving them first aid and making sure they live puts you in a better position.

That is separate from the fact that you are in an easier position to defend yourself legally if the person doesn't die.

If you look at it from a worst-case scenario, they can't charge you for murder, so already you are in a better position. For example, there is no minimum sentence for attempted murder.
https://www.lawforall.co.za/arrest-crimes/jail-time-south-africa/

And when the person is alive, and you do end up going to court, they will have to testify why they broke into your house and ran at you with a knife.

You place way too much trust into the justice system.
No matter what country you look at, its a flop.

 

[Oldfut]

They were getting their lives back on track.
Just needed some cash for college.
Were going to church most Sundays, is what you're saying ?

You place way too much trust into the justice system.
No matter what country you look at, its a flop.

He owed them money for work they had done.
He promised them a jop.
They were visiting family graves or ancestral places.
They were looking for stray children/cattle/goats/donkeys/pigs/ sheep - tick the box.

 

[Blackhand]

A truly just reward would be a huge tax break for all the money he has saved the taxpayer.

 

[Defonotaltaccount]

He owed them money for work they had done.
He promised them a jop.
They were visiting family graves or ancestral places.
They were looking for stray children/cattle/goats/donkeys/pigs/ sheep - tick the box.

Livestock are notorious for sneaking into other peoples homes, leaving no trace.
This is why potential herdsmen should always check every single house.
They also sometimes stuff themselves into valuable electronic goods, best to remove those until it can be determined if they are in there or not.

 

[ForceFate]

I see no one pointed out what the headline was insinuating...

 

[Defonotaltaccount]

I see no one pointed out what the headline was insinuating...

What does it insinuate ?

 

[ForceFate]

What does it insinuate ?

That the homeowner used excessive force.

 

[wingnut771]

Next time, just don't call the cops.

 

[Speedster]

That the homeowner used excessive force.

How much force should he have used?

 

[ForceFate]

How much force should he have used?

Shot them. Bombed them. Whatever. I don't care tbh. As long as innocent people aren't hurt.