mRNA Spike protein is very dangerous, it's cytotoxic - says INVENTOR of mRNA Technology

[Swa]

The vaccine is the effective treatment despite your hesitancy and minimalisation.

I'm not minimalising anything. Vaccines are simply a stop gap and not even a treatment or prevention. And as I have to keep pointing out the biggest problem lies safety.

Lockdowns are a protective measure. As for our economy it was already in the toilet pre-pandemic with negative outlook as we still haven't figured out a way to leverage our population broadly in an economically beneficial way. That won't change regardless of added C19 pressure.

Protective of what? Our healthcare system that should have been upgraded by now? Sure our economy would not have improved without Covid but it also would not deteriorated to the extend it did.

Here is a peer reviewed article in a journal about the safety and efficacy of the vaccine and I'll bet a Million pounds you still won't trust it, so why would you trust anything else, that shows the vaccines are leading to a significant reduction in deaths.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577

Right, because as already explained it's too early to make a conclusion about the data or even have all the data. But as someone mentioned this is an old trial study. We now know the vaccines aren't nearly as effective as initially claimed and don't even appear to stop the spread at all. And it's not all due to new variants but was seen early on in countries without new variants.

So what changed or what is wrong with their methodology?

 

[Swa]

Sadly, as is evidenced here many need protection from themselves as they don’t question the source in any way shape or form.

So I feel there is a certain responsibility of social media platforms to either remove or at the very least mark things as potentially fake news to at the very least highlight to such people that what they are reading may very well be far from the truth.

You can’t go ban the source websites and such, many who do this on purpose for profits, but you can stop the spread of it at the very least.

“News” needs to be defined properly as such I guess.

People should be taught to evaluate facts. Removing them isn't constructive to this and only shifts who pushes fake news.

 

[quovadis]

I'm not minimalising anything.

Lol ... no not at all and then you write...

Vaccines are simply a stop gap and not even a treatment or prevention. And as I have to keep pointing out the biggest problem lies safety.

Empirical evidence supports a reduction in transmission, infection, serious cases and death with minute adverse reaction. Perhaps you need to re-evaluate reality.

Protective of what? Our healthcare system that should have been upgraded by now? Sure our economy would not have improved without Covid but it also would not deteriorated to the extend it did.

I see you're being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse.

 

[Swa]

Lol ... no not at all and then you write...

Empirical evidence supports a reduction in transmission, infection, serious cases and death with minute adverse reaction. Perhaps you need to re-evaluate reality.

I see you're being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse.

Minimalise implies giving less credit than what's due. Reduction in transmission/infection isn't currently a claim and is neither here nor there. And don't say but but the unvaxxed, as even people that are vaxxed have been getting it in droves as soon as lockdown measures are removed. The WHO has now recommended at risk individuals get it every year. Soon it will be everyone should get it yearly. Vaccines are clearly not the solution.

The adverse reactions have also kept on rising. We haven't even started with epidemiological studies for things like enlarged or inflamed heart. THAT is our reality.

 

[quovadis]

Minimalise implies giving less credit than what's due.

Exactly.

Reduction in transmission/infection isn't currently a claim and is neither here nor there.

What do you think the efficacy/effectiveness numbers represent then?

And don't say but but the unvaxxed, as even people that are vaxxed have been getting it in droves as soon as lockdown measures are removed.

Vaxxed people though are by far less susceptible yet if infected have less severe cases/hospitalisation/death.

The WHO has now recommended at risk individuals get it every year. Soon it will be everyone should get it yearly.

Those with varying-compromised immune systems perhaps should consider it?

Vaccines are clearly not the solution.

Interesting that you don't criticise the specific vaccines but covid vaccines in general? What if the next version of any of these 1st generation mRNA vaccines prove to be 100% effective?

The adverse reactions have also kept on rising. We haven't even started with epidemiological studies for things like enlarged or inflamed heart. THAT is our reality.

The adverse reactions amongst billions of doses is minute. There are far more adverse reactions to popular and safe medications that people take every day. There are plenty of epidemiological studies underway.

 

[Geoff.D]

Exactly.

Read the dictionary have you?

What do you think the efficacy/effectiveness numbers represent then?

A sugar pill placebo? We are all part of a control group in a huge expereiment.

Vaxxed people though are by far less susceptible yet if infected have less severe cases/hospitalisation/death.

Those that get a vaccine maybe.

Those with varying-compromised immune systems perhaps should consider it?

It is increasingly looking the norm, the same as with the flu.

Interesting that you don't criticise the specific vaccines but covid vaccines in general? What if the next version of any of these 1st generation mRNA vaccines prove to be 100% effective?

So those that got the 1st generation are all Beta testers?

The adverse reactions amongst billions of doses is minute. There are far more adverse reactions to popular and safe medications that people take every day. There are plenty of epidemiological studies underway.

BUT damn serious for those individuals! Terminal in many cases.

 

[buka001]

I'm not minimalising anything. Vaccines are simply a stop gap and not even a treatment or prevention. And as I have to keep pointing out the biggest problem lies safety.


Protective of what? Our healthcare system that should have been upgraded by now? Sure our economy would not have improved without Covid but it also would not deteriorated to the extend it did.


Right, because as already explained it's too early to make a conclusion about the data or even have all the data. But as someone mentioned this is an old trial study. We now know the vaccines aren't nearly as effective as initially claimed and don't even appear to stop the spread at all. And it's not all due to new variants but was seen early on in countries without new variants.

So what changed or what is wrong with their methodology?

I win my million pounds.

No amount of evidence will ever convince you to change your opinion.

 

[quovadis]

Read the dictionary have you?

Nope, just agreeing that his definition matches my assertion.

A sugar pill placebo? We are all part of a control group in a huge expereiment.

Unfortunately the data speaks for itself unless death is not a criteria?

Those that get a vaccine maybe.

So now you're arguing availability? I know at people who are high-risk for adverse reaction including one who has been hospitalised multiple times for blood clots in her life. All 3 have been vaccinated under close observation and monitoring and all 3 are fine.

It is increasingly looking the norm, the same as with the flu.

It's quite possible however I would wait and see the result in countries which reach a large proportion of population having been fully vaccinated.

So those that got the 1st generation are all Beta testers?

No. Newer options may be better.

BUT damn serious for those individuals! Terminal in many cases.

Yet less serious in ratio than many other medications I'm sure you've taken yourself. Let me know when you start that thread for Acetaminophen, Anticoagulants, Antidepressants, Anti-Hypertensives, Bromocriptine, Clarithromycin, Clozapine, Colchicine, Cough Medicines, Lanoxin heck pretty much everything sold in a pharmacy that has a schedule these days...

 

[Geoff.D]

So now you're arguing availability?

Our now infamous Dr Crisp stated last night on TV that the govt is seriously thinking about abandoning the 2nd dose "because those individuals are extremely difficult to reach".

What now for the so-called effectiveness and protection offered to those individuals?

It is a complete pipe dream at the moment for SA.

Yet less serious in ratio than many other medications I'm sure you've taken yourself. Let me know when you start that thread for Acetaminophen, Anticoagulants, Antidepressants, Anti-Hypertensives, Bromocriptine, Clarithromycin, Clozapine, Colchicine, Cough Medicines, Lanoxin heck pretty much everything sold in a pharmacy that has a schedule these days...

The ONLY medication I am on is Ecotrin! NOTHING else. I am free of all those crap things called medicine that people pump into their bodies.

We as a nation are being sold up the river for expediency.

 

[SoldierMan]

I win my million pounds.

No amount of evidence will ever convince you to change your opinion.

Hahahaha says you who will never change YOUR opinion. Classic.

 

[quovadis]

Our now infamous Dr Crisp stated last night on TV that the govt is seriously thinking about abandoning the 2nd dose "because those individuals are extremely difficult to reach".

What now for the so-called effectiveness and protection offered to those individuals?

It is a complete pipe dream at the moment for SA.

They have only then the effectiveness of the first dose unless they return for their second? It's still better than nothing? With J&J coming back into availability there'll be less of this.

The ONLY medication I am on is Ecotrin! NOTHING else. I am free of all those crap things called medicine that people pump into their bodies.

We as a nation are being sold up the river for expediency.

And you consider Aspirin to be safe?

 

[Geoff.D]

They have only then the effectiveness of the first dose unless they return for their second? It's still better than nothing? With J&J coming back into availability there'll be less of this.

Oh so, those that were given Pfizer must now just take their chances because our useless govt failed them?
NO 2nd dose, NOT we will give you a 2nd dose of J&J or any other vaccine, NO 2nd DOSE, because we can't get to you!

And you consider Aspirin to be safe?

No not for one damn minute! and I have already changed the dosage to what I think is appropriate.

 

[buka001]

Hahahaha says you who will never change YOUR opinion. Classic.

You won't.

I would if thousands were dropping dead from the vaccine.

But, there aren't. All we are seeing is people who have been vaccinated are doing well and the unvaccinated are dying.

 

[surface]

You won't.

I would if thousands were dropping dead from the vaccine.

But, there aren't. All we are seeing is people who have been vaccinated are doing well and the unvaccinated are dying.

Isn't the real argument that BIG PHARMA and all governments in the world are hiding real deaths due to vaccines?

 

[Conack]

https://www.news24.com/news24/South...h-workers-hospitalised-with-covid-19-20210715
"A total of 59 health workers in the Eastern Cape, who had been vaccinated, have been admitted to hospitals in the province after testing positive for Covid-19.
According to the latest epidemiology report from the Eastern Cape health department, of those admitted, 33 were in hospitals and clinics in the Nelson Mandela Bay region."

I thought they'd be chilling at home and and getting better with very mild symptoms because they've been vaccinated?
They're in hospital though.. so that seems pretty serious.

Two buddies up north that has/had covid and neither of them had the vaccine or went to the hospital - just resting at home and getting over it.
One of them took ivermectin after the symptoms already started and he's fine again.
The other didn't and is coughing and sneezing on discord every night. Will see afterwards who suffered the most severe and longest as the 2nd lad started symptoms after the first.
Neither have been vaccinated.

 

[Geoff.D]

https://www.news24.com/news24/South...h-workers-hospitalised-with-covid-19-20210715
"A total of 59 health workers in the Eastern Cape, who had been vaccinated, have been admitted to hospitals in the province after testing positive for Covid-19.
According to the latest epidemiology report from the Eastern Cape health department, of those admitted, 33 were in hospitals and clinics in the Nelson Mandela Bay region."

I thought they'd be chilling at home and and getting better with very mild symptoms because they've been vaccinated?
They're in hospital though.. so that seems pretty serious.

But that is impossible! The vaccine gives them full protection! Can't be Covid 19!
and they can't be in hospital. It will just be a mild problem.

Two buddies up north that has/had covid and neither of them had the vaccine or went to the hospital - just resting at home and getting over it.
One of them took ivermectin after the symptoms already started and he's fine again.
The other didn't and is coughing and sneezing on discord every night. Will see afterwards who suffered the most severe and longest as the 2nd lad started symptoms after the first.
Neither have been vaccinated.

But IVM is useless and dangerous, he should be very sick right now with IVM poisoning AND Covid!

All J&J as well?

 

[JangoFett]

Sadly, as is evidenced here many need protection from themselves as they don’t question the source in any way shape or form.

So I feel there is a certain responsibility of social media platforms to either remove or at the very least mark things as potentially fake news to at the very least highlight to such people that what they are reading may very well be far from the truth.

You can’t go ban the source websites and such, many who do this on purpose for profits, but you can stop the spread of it at the very least.

“News” needs to be defined properly as such I guess.

The reason you cannot implement this is because social media companies do not have any privileged access to truth. They are not experts in all fields, and frankly cannot afford to hire experts for all fields, which means effectively that you're going to trust people to censor stuff without the necessary competence to do so without error.

All it accomplishes is to make everybody suspicious of what they receive. Notice how the credibility of several authoritative institutions like the WHO has been completely trashed as a result of their stupid attempts to control the message. You're never going to recover that reputational loss in the space of a single lifetime; what is seen cannot be unseen.

 

[quovadis]

Oh so, those that were given Pfizer must now just take their chances because our useless govt failed them?
NO 2nd dose, NOT we will give you a 2nd dose of J&J or any other vaccine, NO 2nd DOSE, because we can't get to you!

I think it has more to do with the govt not being able to reach the people who are due to get their 2nd dose I know plenty who have gone and gotten their 2nd dose without notification but at the appropriate time and not waiting for the notification.

No not for one damn minute! and I have already changed the dosage to what I think is appropriate.

But I read about multiple thousands of people who have taken it and died? We need to cancel aspirin after all theres no evidence that it stops all headaches for everyone. I know people who have headaches and aspirin does nothing. /s

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Empirical evidence supports a reduction in transmission, infection, serious cases and death with minute adverse reaction. Perhaps you need to re-evaluate reality

Really? Israel reached 60% of the total population completely vaccinated by 27 April ... tell me what do you see on this graph after 27 April ... right at the end there ...

 

[zolly]

Really? Israel reached 60% of the total population completely vaccinated by 27 April ... tell me what do you see on this graph after 27 April ... right at the end there ...
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People are getting sick.



But what is this? They're not dying! It must be because of the new govt they have in power, not the vaccines right?



Some of y'all are just being stupid about this. Plain and simple.