mRNA Spike protein is very dangerous, it's cytotoxic - says INVENTOR of mRNA Technology

[quovadis]

Really? Israel reached 60% of the total population completely vaccinated by 27 April ... tell me what do you see on this graph after 27 April ... right at the end there ...

Did I state that it's imposible for anyone to get sick? No. I stated that there is a reduction. Think population not individuals. Now go and look at deaths.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

People are getting sick.

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But what is this? They're not dying! It must be because of the new govt they have in power, not the vaccines right?

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Some of y'all are just being stupid about this. Plain and simple.

they're "not dying" in the exact same ratio to infections as the were right after Israel's first wave ... when there was no vaccine

indeed, some are being stupid and attributing success where it shouldn't be

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Did I state that it's imposible for anyone to get sick? No. I stated that there is a reduction. Think population not individuals. Now go and look at deaths.

see post #602 for the deaths statement

and what reduction when there's a couple of hundred percent increase in the last two weeks?

the drop in infections post vaccine (initially, seeing as it is now on the up and not dropping) is as sharp as the post-2nd wave drop without the vaccine

 

[zolly]

https://www.news24.com/news24/South...h-workers-hospitalised-with-covid-19-20210715
"A total of 59 health workers in the Eastern Cape, who had been vaccinated, have been admitted to hospitals in the province after testing positive for Covid-19.
According to the latest epidemiology report from the Eastern Cape health department, of those admitted, 33 were in hospitals and clinics in the Nelson Mandela Bay region."

I thought they'd be chilling at home and and getting better with very mild symptoms because they've been vaccinated?
They're in hospital though.. so that seems pretty serious.

Two buddies up north that has/had covid and neither of them had the vaccine or went to the hospital - just resting at home and getting over it.
One of them took ivermectin after the symptoms already started and he's fine again.
The other didn't and is coughing and sneezing on discord every night. Will see afterwards who suffered the most severe and longest as the 2nd lad started symptoms after the first.
Neither have been vaccinated.

Again, idiots are fighting hard for this. I am unable to confirm the exact numbers, but it's safe to say there are thousands of health workers in the EC, as there are at least 600,000 across the entire country. So out of the thousands of people who are vaccinated and REGULARLY come into contact with Covid-19 patients, there have been 59 breakthrough cases in the province.

Meanwhile, your sample size of two is meant to mean something?

What is your point?

 

[quovadis]

see post #602 for the deaths statement

and what reduction when there's a couple of hundred percent increase in the last two weeks?

the drop in infections post vaccine (initially, seeing as it is now on the up and not dropping) is as sharp as the post-2nd wave drop without the vaccine

It's just coincidence I'm sure. /s

 

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It's just coincidence I'm sure. /s

it is exactly as flat as it was from May to July in 2020 when there was already a wave of infections and no vaccine

 

[zolly]

they're "not dying" in the exact same ratio to infections as the were right after Israel's first wave ... when there was no vaccine

indeed, some are being stupid and attributing success where it shouldn't be

Seriously? If you do a pure comparison of vaccinated vs unvaccinated death rates, it's simple: unvaccinated people are dying more than those who are vaccinated.

Majority of COVID deaths in US among unvaccinated as states with low vaccine rates see surges

Public health officials say “virtually all” COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths in the U.S. are now among those who aren’t vaccinated. This comes as states with low vaccine rates see surges likely brought on by the more transmissible delta variant.

www.thedenverchannel.com

Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated

Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine.

apnews.com

Virtually all new Covid deaths and hospitalizations are among unvaccinated people, White House says

President Joe Biden's Covid team has set its sights on those Americans who are still unvaccinated against the coronavirus, amid the delta variant's spread.

www.cnbc.com

 

[zolly]

it is exactly as flat as it was from May to July in 2020 when there was already a wave of infections and no vaccine

Give us the numbers, not blanket statements. Do the math and prove it.

Or at very least take some screenshots.

 

[quovadis]

it is exactly as flat as it was from May to July in 2020 when there was already a wave of infections and no vaccine

Lockdown and heavy restricitions which were mostly lifted end of May...

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Seriously? If you do a pure comparison of vaccinated vs unvaccinated death rates, it's simple: unvaccinated people are dying more than those who are vaccinated.

Majority of COVID deaths in US among unvaccinated as states with low vaccine rates see surges

Public health officials say “virtually all” COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths in the U.S. are now among those who aren’t vaccinated. This comes as states with low vaccine rates see surges likely brought on by the more transmissible delta variant.

www.thedenverchannel.com

Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated

Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine.

apnews.com

Virtually all new Covid deaths and hospitalizations are among unvaccinated people, White House says

President Joe Biden's Covid team has set its sights on those Americans who are still unvaccinated against the coronavirus, amid the delta variant's spread.

www.cnbc.com

are you for real? the same US that officially refuses to report vaccine side effect? US data is about as believable as China's when they adopt such a policy

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Give us the numbers, not blanket statements. Do the math and prove it.

Or at very least take some screenshots.

the screen shot is in the post that I replied to

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Lockdown and heavy restricitions which were mostly lifted end of May...

you mean the lockdowns that didn't work?

Study Finds U.S. Lockdowns Didn’t Make A Big Difference In Stopping Covid—But That Doesn’t Mean They’re Pointless

Many people changed their behavior regardless of whether their state imposed a lockdown, researchers suggested.

www.forbes.com

 

[Cage Rattler]

 

[quovadis]

But that is impossible! The vaccine gives them full protection! Can't be Covid 19!
and they can't be in hospital. It will just be a mild problem.

Not impossible - not quite sure why you keep thinking it is? The efficacy for J&J for the delta variant is alot lower but still effective especially considering the number of people vaccinated in the Eastern Cape. It would be interesting to know if they have progressed to critical / severe.

But IVM is useless and dangerous, he should be very sick right now with IVM poisoning AND Covid!

Errr. Well everyone is waiting for the data which backs the claims on both safety and efficacy.

 

[quovadis]

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Perhaps you can share a link to this data. The dashboard for confirmed cases for the same date range is double that / doesn't align at all.

 

[quovadis]

you mean the lockdowns that didn't work?

Study Finds U.S. Lockdowns Didn’t Make A Big Difference In Stopping Covid—But That Doesn’t Mean They’re Pointless

Many people changed their behavior regardless of whether their state imposed a lockdown, researchers suggested.

www.forbes.com

Try at least stick to a country.

Israel Stay-at-Home Lockdown vs Infections trend.

 

[Swa]

Exactly.

What do you think the efficacy/effectiveness numbers represent then?

The numbers aren't what you think they are. It's showing to be less and less effective as the real world data is coming in.

Vaxxed people though are by far less susceptible yet if infected have less severe cases/hospitalisation/death.

That may be the case. How much we do not know yet. It will be hard to say with no proper controls what is due to the vaccine and what isn't. It should still be a balance against the risks.

Those with varying-compromised immune systems perhaps should consider it?

That is the problem. It's actually those where you find the biggest number of contraindications. Also there was a study a few years ago which found that the flu vaccine has little to absolutely no effect in those groups defeating the purpose. Corona vacs are increasingly looking more and more like the flu vaccine.

Interesting that you don't criticise the specific vaccines but covid vaccines in general? What if the next version of any of these 1st generation mRNA vaccines prove to be 100% effective?

Because they are all experimental. None of them have been approved in case you've forgotten. Vaccines in general also don't have such a good track record in preventing the spread of diseases no matter what you think the reality is. Sure we may see pigs fly some day but until it happens it's not a thing and we go based on what we have.

The adverse reactions amongst billions of doses is minute. There are far more adverse reactions to popular and safe medications that people take every day. There are plenty of epidemiological studies underway.

They are not. You're not considering severity and you're also not considering the ones that we still don't know about or can't attribute to the vaccines yet. Mentioning other medications is a red herring. We know what the risks are of those medications and we also don't give them out en masse. The vaccines are entirely experimental with a bunch of unknowns.

I win my million pounds.

No amount of evidence will ever convince you to change your opinion.

No, wait for the actual verifiable evidence to be available and reviewed. Then I will make up my mind. You seem to be confused over what my actual opinion is and are grasping at any straw that google comes up with. The real question is are you prepared to change your opinion once all the data is in because you started off from a perfect unobjective position so it can only get worse.

https://www.news24.com/news24/South...h-workers-hospitalised-with-covid-19-20210715
"A total of 59 health workers in the Eastern Cape, who had been vaccinated, have been admitted to hospitals in the province after testing positive for Covid-19.
According to the latest epidemiology report from the Eastern Cape health department, of those admitted, 33 were in hospitals and clinics in the Nelson Mandela Bay region."

I thought they'd be chilling at home and and getting better with very mild symptoms because they've been vaccinated?
They're in hospital though.. so that seems pretty serious.

Two buddies up north that has/had covid and neither of them had the vaccine or went to the hospital - just resting at home and getting over it.
One of them took ivermectin after the symptoms already started and he's fine again.
The other didn't and is coughing and sneezing on discord every night. Will see afterwards who suffered the most severe and longest as the 2nd lad started symptoms after the first.
Neither have been vaccinated.

We are seeing that all over the world. If you get the vaccine and Covid at the same time you may actually be worse off as your body is now trying to fight two things.

Seriously? If you do a pure comparison of vaccinated vs unvaccinated death rates, it's simple: unvaccinated people are dying more than those who are vaccinated.

Majority of COVID deaths in US among unvaccinated as states with low vaccine rates see surges

Public health officials say “virtually all” COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths in the U.S. are now among those who aren’t vaccinated. This comes as states with low vaccine rates see surges likely brought on by the more transmissible delta variant.

www.thedenverchannel.com

Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated

Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine.

apnews.com

Virtually all new Covid deaths and hospitalizations are among unvaccinated people, White House says

President Joe Biden's Covid team has set its sights on those Americans who are still unvaccinated against the coronavirus, amid the delta variant's spread.

www.cnbc.com

Too early to say. The correlations can't be made yet. We don't even have accurate stats on who died from Covid yet people think we can correlate the data of millions of individuals in just a few months.

 

[zolly]

are you for real? the same US that officially refuses to report vaccine side effect? US data is about as believable as China's when they adopt such a policy

Ofc. It's all just some grand conspiracy when it suits you and the nutjobs in this thread. I can't believe I bothered to poke my head in.

Show a person the sky on a sunny day. See, the sky is blue. "No I believe it is red." But it's blue. "No, it's red." Okay, here are all these experts and mountains of evidence that say it is blue. "You can't trust that information."

You guys are NUTS. Added to my ignore list. Moving on with life.

 

[Geoff.D]

off as your body is now trying to fight two things

Fight the virus but trying to work out what it is supposed to be doing with these things that are not really dangerous but still want attention?

 

[SoldierMan]

Ofc. It's all just some grand conspiracy when it suits you and the nutjobs in this thread. I can't believe I bothered to poke my head in.

Show a person the sky on a sunny day. See, the sky is blue. "No I believe it is red." But it's blue. "No, it's red." Okay, here are all these experts and mountains of evidence that say it is blue. "You can't trust that information."

You guys are NUTS. Added to my ignore list. Moving on with life.

Head in the sand always works Good choice.