mRNA Spike protein is very dangerous, it's cytotoxic - says INVENTOR of mRNA Technology

[NarrowBandFtw]

Ofc. It's all just some grand conspiracy when it suits you and the nutjobs in this thread. I can't believe I bothered to poke my head in.

Show a person the sky on a sunny day. See, the sky is blue. "No I believe it is red." But it's blue. "No, it's red." Okay, here are all these experts and mountains of evidence that say it is blue. "You can't trust that information."

You guys are NUTS. Added to my ignore list. Moving on with life.

thank god for that, when you throw around BS like "conspiracy" when literally all we're doing is questioning the narrative being force fed 24/7 then you can fek right off

 

[Daveogg]

We are seeing that all over the world. If you get the vaccine and Covid at the same time you may actually be worse off as your body is now trying to fight two things.

Sorry I am confused who is the "we". You treating Covid patients now.

Because we are seeing the opposite?

 

[Geoff.D]

Sorry I am confused who is the "we". You treating Covid patients now.

Because we are seeing the opposite?

Anything that we should know?

 

[buka001]

COVID in Israel: Another high broken, but serious cases remain low

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www.haaretz.com

Israel is at a 4 month high in cases, but they are see exceptionally low serious cases for those numbers.

 

[Swa]

Sorry I am confused who is the "we". You treating Covid patients now.

Because we are seeing the opposite?

How on earth did you get that from what I posted?

 

[Daveogg]

Anything that we should know?

No not really, we haven't admitted any fully vaccinated people. Have seen one colleague who had JnJ test positive and quite a few Pfizer one shotters test positive. Of these only one admission and she bounched back nicely and was discharged after two days. So certainly not doing worse as Swa suggested.

 

[Daveogg]

How on earth did you get that from what I posted?

You used the personal pronoun "we", implying some first hand experience. Did I misunderstand?

 

[Swa]

You used the personal pronoun "we", implying some first hand experience. Did I misunderstand?

I don't know in which world "we" implies first hand knowledge.

 

[Daveogg]

I don't know in which world "we" implies first hand knowledge.

Ah ok let's keep going if you must.
"We are seeing" in my world implies first hand knowledge, but perhaps I am wrong.

 

[Swa]

Ah ok let's keep going if you must.
"We are seeing" in my world implies first hand knowledge, but perhaps I am wrong.

Yes you are, and the reference to "in my world" explains why.

 

[Daveogg]

Yes you are, and the reference to "in my world" explains why.

Despite your narcissistic delusion of self importance, my world is more relevant to this discussion than yours.

 

[Swa]

Despite your narcissistic delusion of self importance, my world is more relevant to this discussion than yours.

I did not claim any importance. You are on a forum of general people where your definitions don't apply. If anything you are coming off as the narcissistic one here.

 

[Daveogg]

I did not claim any importance. You are on a forum of general people where your definitions don't apply. If anything you are coming off as the narcissistic one here.

I am sure the majority of general people on this forum would interpret the statement "We are seeing" to imply the poster had some sort of first hand knowledge about what he was about to say.

But more importantly what you are claiming to see although having no evidence to back your claim or apparent first hand knowledge is that people who get the vaccine and Covid at the same time ( whatever that means ) do not do worse.

 

[Mirai]

The J&J vaccine so far offers very robust protection. The vaccine offers both cellular and humoral immunity in contrast to the mRNA vaccines which mostly stimulate humoral immunity. With J&J it also appears that the immune response improves with time and the vaccine appears effective even at 8 months. So far both US and South African researches claim that boosters are not needed yet.

When it comes to HCW data regarding infections, one also has to keep in mind that HCWs in general, at least patient facing ones, face a greater viral load burden. That can make their illness worse.

When it comes to the Delta variant and the J&J, the vaccine appears to be more effective than it was against the Beta variant, at least in the test tube (in vitro).

 

[quovadis]

The numbers aren't what you think they are. It's showing to be less and less effective as the real world data is coming in.

Where are you getting your numbers? Please share so we may be enlightened.

That may be the case. How much we do not know yet. It will be hard to say with no proper controls what is due to the vaccine and what isn't. It should still be a balance against the risks.

Once again the data supports my assertion. Where are you getting your numbers? Please share so we may be enlightened.

That is the problem. It's actually those where you find the biggest number of contraindications. Also there was a study a few years ago which found that the flu vaccine has little to absolutely no effect in those groups defeating the purpose. Corona vacs are increasingly looking more and more like the flu vaccine.

So should we also have an issue with all medication that doesn't irradicate a disease because you've taken it? The current vaccines still provide a measure of protection regardless of your assertion that they're useless.

Because they are all experimental. None of them have been approved in case you've forgotten. Vaccines in general also don't have such a good track record in preventing the spread of diseases no matter what you think the reality is. Sure we may see pigs fly some day but until it happens it's not a thing and we go based on what we have.

Emergency approval is still approval and comes with additional oversight in case you've forgotten. Unless you can provide data aligning your historical view of doom with reality you're simply scaremongering.

They are not. You're not considering severity and you're also not considering the ones that we still don't know about or can't attribute to the vaccines yet. Mentioning other medications is a red herring. We know what the risks are of those medications and we also don't give them out en masse. The vaccines are entirely experimental with a bunch of unknowns.

Where are you getting your numbers for these severe adverse reactions as we reach 4 billion doses? Please share so we may be enlightened. As for what is en masse and what is not I'm struggling to understand then why pharmacies exist if they're not dispensing scheduled medication enmasse and there is no severe ARs for them?

 

[quovadis]

We are seeing that all over the world. If you get the vaccine and Covid at the same time you may actually be worse off as your body is now trying to fight two things.

Who is this "we" you are referring to? Please share. It may be a surprise to you to know that your immune system is constantly suppressing all manner of things - an additional spike protein is not going to make much of a difference.

 

[SoldierMan]

If true, devastating.

Doctor: Heart Failure From MRNA Jabs “Will Kill Most People”​

Dr Charles Hoffe MD, in his latest update of July 6, 2021 is reporting on the disturbing findings in his patients. He says the mRNA vaccines are plugging up thousands of tiny capillaries in the blood of those who took the ‘vaccine.’ Most will die in a few short years from heart failure.

The spike proteins injected, which are designed to be mass produced in the bodies of the vaccinated, are the cause of the clotting, which is having adverse effects on no fewer than 60 percent of people injected.

Dr Hoffe continues:

“So it is absolutely inevitable that blood clots will form because your blood platelets circulate round your blood vessels, and the purpose of blood platelets is to identify damaged vessels and stop bleeding. So, when the platelet comes through the capillary it suddenly hits all these COVID spikes and it becomes absolutely inevitable that blood clots will form to block that vessel.”

Therefore, these spike proteins can predictably cause blood clots. They are in your blood vessels (if mRNA ‘vaccinated’) so it is guaranteed. Dr Bahrdi then said to me that the way to prove this is to do a blood test called a D-dimer blood test.

“The blood clots we hear about which the media claim are very rare are the big blood clots which are the ones that cause strokes and show up on CT scans, MRI, etc. The clots I’m talking about are microscopic and too small to find on any scan. They can thus only be detected using the D-dimer test.”

Dr Hoffe explains he has been performing D-dimer tests on his mRNA ‘vaccinated’ patients and he has worryingly identified that 62 percent of them had these microscopic blood clots.

“These people have no idea they are even having these microscopic blood clots. The most alarming part of this is that there are some parts of the body like the brain, spinal cord, heart and lungs which cannot re-generate. When those tissues are damaged by blood clots they are permanently damaged.”

The result, says Dr Hoffe, is that these patients have what is termed Reduced Effort Tolerance (RET) which means they get out of breath much easily than they used to. It is because the blood vessels in their lungs are now blocked up. In turn, this causes the heart to need to work harder to try to keep up against a much greater resistance trying to get the blood through your lungs.

This is called pulmonary artery hypertension – high blood pressure in the lungs because the blood simply cannot get through effectively. People with this condition usually die of heart failure within a few short years.

In conclusion, Dr Hoffe lamented:

"These Shots Are Causing Huge Damage And The Worst Is Yet To Come.”

Source

Video of the doctor talking: https://www.bitchute.com/video/HzFryvUuryVS/

 

[Hush9300]

No not really, we haven't admitted any fully vaccinated people. Have seen one colleague who had JnJ test positive and quite a few Pfizer one shotters test positive. Of these only one admission and she bounched back nicely and was discharged after two days. So certainly not doing worse as Swa suggested.

Firstly, let me start off by saying that I couldn't care less if you are vaccinated or unvaccinated and that I'm not in the medical field. But I know of three fully vaccinated people currently in hospital and have been for in excess of a week. One is doing much better though.

I also don't think the vaccinated would be doing worse but in my humble opinion it is still way too early in South Africa's rollout to draw any conclusions regarding vaccine effectiveness. Pfizer are seeking approval for third doses in the United States and Israel are already offering third doses to the elderly and high risk individuals. This doesn't strike me as normal after only 6 months of mass vaccinations.

The Public Health England weekly updates make for interesting reading, especially regarding this Delta variant, and the sheer number of breakthrough infections despite the reduced cycle threshold for the vaccinated. There are 79% more vaccinated (at least one dose) deaths than unvaccinated over the same period. In the >50 age group it is 120% more. CFR is 0.022 vs 0.056 in vaccinated and unvaccinated respectively. This is not surprising because we already know the risk of dying increases exponentially with age in the unvaccinated but those numbers do not look good after only 6 months when considering the vaccinated.

 

[Geoff.D]

The J&J vaccine so far offers very robust protection. The vaccine offers both cellular and humoral immunity in contrast to the mRNA vaccines which mostly stimulate humoral immunity. With J&J it also appears that the immune response improves with time and the vaccine appears effective even at 8 months. So far both US and South African researches claim that boosters are not needed yet.

When it comes to HCW data regarding infections, one also has to keep in mind that HCWs in general, at least patient facing ones, face a greater viral load burden. That can make their illness worse.

When it comes to the Delta variant and the J&J, the vaccine appears to be more effective than it was against the Beta variant, at least in the test tube (in vitro).

Except for some rather serious even if rare examples yes. It does NOT mean that complications should be hidden, downplayed and ignored. It means people MUST be aware, and those that know about possible risks MUST go and get a medical opinion BEFORE they get vaccinated AND MUST make known any conditions that might pose a risk to them been given a jab so that medical professionals are able to assess, advise, and monitor if necessary.

Hiding and suppressing these things does no one ANY favours in the end.

 

[Swa]

I am sure the majority of general people on this forum would interpret the statement "We are seeing" to imply the poster had some sort of first hand knowledge about what he was about to say.

But more importantly what you are claiming to see although having no evidence to back your claim or apparent first hand knowledge is that people who get the vaccine and Covid at the same time ( whatever that means ) do not do worse.

You are just being deliberate here.

Where are you getting your numbers? Please share so we may be enlightened.

I'm talking about the general figures being reported. Way below the over 90% claimed in trials and even then it doesn't seem to be accurate as people are still getting and spreading it in droves.

Once again the data supports my assertion. Where are you getting your numbers? Please share so we may be enlightened.

What is your assertion? I haven't denied they may be less at risk. How much we can't know and may never know as there are almost no real control groups now to do proper studies. A simple fact.

So should we also have an issue with all medication that doesn't irradicate a disease because you've taken it? The current vaccines still provide a measure of protection regardless of your assertion that they're useless.

You are fighting a straw man. Nobody said vaccines should not be used, but they should not be employed as a primary means of prevention and treatment to the exclusion of other treatments but just another tool in the arsenal. This insistence that vaccines must be the be all and end all to treat disease is getting ridiculous.

Emergency approval is still approval and comes with additional oversight in case you've forgotten. Unless you can provide data aligning your historical view of doom with reality you're simply scaremongering.

Emergency authorisation for use. That is not approval. They remain unapproved medicine in case YOU'VE forgotten. And what is this "additional" oversight? Regulations and steps were relaxed. You are twisting it to make it sound like the process is safer, like let's remove the automatic temperature control from a nuclear reactor but station someone there to keep an eye as "additional oversight".

Where are you getting your numbers for these severe adverse reactions as we reach 4 billion doses? Please share so we may be enlightened. As for what is en masse and what is not I'm struggling to understand then why pharmacies exist if they're not dispensing scheduled medication enmasse and there is no severe ARs for them?

Stop being obtuse. You keep asking for numbers for things nobody including you can know at this stage. You are just being a big pharma stooge.