mRNA Spike protein is very dangerous, it's cytotoxic - says INVENTOR of mRNA Technology

[SoldierMan]

He never posts anything but conspiracy theory bullshit. So many people have wasted so much time and energy trying to fight back against information that is designed to appeal to conspiracy theory nutjobs.

WE DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING. NONE OF US ARE MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS. SO MANY PEOPLE ARE HERE TRYING TO PICK APART THINGS THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO UNDERSTANDING OF.

What's really **** frustrating about all of this is that you share information from verified sources, and people go "oh, what about this?" and share some obscure blog with absolutely no actual scientific backing behind it! Good grief!

So Dr Malone is a conspiracy theorist now?

Hahahaha the co-inventor of the mRNA vaccine, the VERY THING you are punting here like a fanboy, is a conspiracy theorist for raising concerns about a vaccine that is being used on billions of people, and has only been authorised for emergency use. And yes, it is experimental.

 

[quovadis]

I'm talking about the general figures being reported. Way below the over 90% claimed in trials and even then it doesn't seem to be accurate as people are still getting and spreading it in droves.

Please link to this data that supports your view.

What is your assertion? I haven't denied they may be less at risk. How much we can't know and may never know as there are almost no real control groups now to do proper studies. A simple fact.

Please show the data that supports your view.

You are fighting a straw man. Nobody said vaccines should not be used, but they should not be employed as a primary means of prevention and treatment to the exclusion of other treatments but just another tool in the arsenal. This insistence that vaccines must be the be all and end all to treat disease is getting ridiculous.

No, its ridiculous that you don't understand why such an approach is necessary for certain diseases.

Emergency authorisation for use. That is not approval. They remain unapproved medicine in case YOU'VE forgotten. And what is this "additional" oversight? Regulations and steps were relaxed. You are twisting it to make it sound like the process is safer, like let's remove the automatic temperature control from a nuclear reactor but station someone there to keep an eye as "additional oversight".

Lol. I've already covered this - there is more oversight and review of data and studies related to these vaccines than pretty much anything prior.

Stop being obtuse. You keep asking for numbers for things nobody including you can know at this stage. You are just being a big pharma stooge.

No, I'm asking you to support your statements with evidence or data instead of your opinion.

 

[SoldierMan]

It's easier for me to add people with absolutely no medical backing to ignore. Considering all the other **** going on in SA at the moment, I'd rather let the conspiracy theorists and wanna-be physicians play doctor till they're blue in the face.

Or just leave this here:

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@SoldierMan

Edit. This forum needs some bloody moderation if MyBB don't want to get damn well sued.

@rpm As the bold text above.

So all those people that were spreading fake news and were banned on social media about the virus coming from the Wuhan lab should still be prosecuted according to YOU???

What about the other blood clot story, that was a conspiracy too... should those people still be prosecuted????

And what if this story turns our to be true? And you suppress it, how many people's deaths will be on your hands.

You INVESTGATE claims like this, you don't shove them under the carpet like you want to do. If they turn out to be false, then great, however if they turn out to be true, we'll then a bullet dodged.

It amazes me that people like you are so willing to just put your fingers in your ears and shut your eyes and chant over and over "vaccines are safe, vaccines are safe". It makes zero sense.

This is a doctor making these claims, not some average Joe.

 

[Hush9300]

Link please. I tried to Google some of these stats and couldn't find any reference.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1001358/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_18.pdf

 

[Daveogg]

So this article is loaded with facts that are easy to verify.

And, to boot, it would be pretty easy for anyone who has had the Pfizer vaccine to go and get a D-dimer test done? It should therefore be a simple matter for the manufacturers of the mRNA vaccines to arrange for their long-term test group to be tested accordingly and report back?

The interesting part would be to know if a D-dimer or equivalent test is routinely being carried out in SA?
And secondly, if there would be any point for those that have received the Pfizer vaccine who have had a D-dimer test or equivalent done before getting the vaccine to go and get one done now to see if the tests reveal any markedly different results now?

That should pretty much settle the debate?


Any comments?

Slow down guys.
d-dimers is a blood test which measures fibrin degradation. Fibrin is a protein involved in clotting.
d-dimer is most definitely done in SA, I would guess I perform an average of 5 per day BUT it is very non specific.
Causes of a raised d-dimer would include Venous Thromboembolic disease ( what we use it for ), Infection, Trauma, post operative states, Cancer, and probably relevant Age. I looked at one study before writing this reply - in a study of raised d-dimers in an Emergency Unit population 32 different diagnosis were associated with raised d-dimer, infection being the most common.

The next point is biologically, physiologically his post makes no sense. I can assure you if you have what he describes ie multiple small vessel clots we have a name for that Diffuse Intravascular Coagulation, you get very acutely very sick. You don't wander around with a DIC then after a while go into heart failure and die. He mentioned pulmonary hypertension from multiple clots, again right heart failure (rt heart pumps to the lungs) presents very acutely and an ECG and Echo will easily give you the diagnosis, yet he does not mention that.

As far as people doing d-dimers randomly - you can but I would not suggest it. If it is raised you are going to trigger a whole host of investigations, probably ending with a CT Pulmonary angiogram - and find nothing.

 

[buka001]

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1001358/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_18.pdf

Quite interesting.

Very high efficacy for under 50's, with lower efficacy on over 50's.

Over 50's had been vaccinated earlier. I wonder if this is showing a correlation with Israeli data that older people should get a booster shot, some 6 months later?

 

[Daveogg]

Do you also still think that those who say the virus came from the Wuhan lab should be banned too? Or did that "conspiracy" prove to be true.....

Did I miss something, has it been proved?

 

[SoldierMan]

Did I miss something, has it been proved?

Proven, no, but it is very much a topic that is back up for debate. All the social media sites and legacy media have unbanned the topic and it is no longer a "conspiracy theory" but rather something that is being considered.

 

[Daveogg]

Proven, no, but it is very much a topic that is back up for debate. All the social media sites and legacy media have unbanned the topic and it is no longer a "conspiracy theory" but rather something that is being considered.

Then ask yourself why did you post "Or did that "conspiracy" prove to be true....."
I am sure you did not deliberately try to deceive, but your confirmation bias has tricked your cognitive thought processes.

 

[Markd]

Then ask yourself why did you post "Or did that "conspiracy" prove to be true....."
I am sure you did not deliberately try to deceive, but your confirmation bias has tricked your cognitive thought processes.

Each day these guys post a link to dubious article or get behind a conspiracy theory (I.e. things people are “talking” about without any solid evidence) just further erodes what’s left of a small pond of credibility. Sad.

 

[Markd]

Quite interesting.

Very high efficacy for under 50's, with lower efficacy on over 50's.

Over 50's had been vaccinated earlier. I wonder if this is showing a correlation with Israeli data that older people should get a booster shot, some 6 months later?

let’s not forget that older people are....older.

 

[SoldierMan]

Then ask yourself why did you post "Or did that "conspiracy" prove to be true....."
I am sure you did not deliberately try to deceive, but your confirmation bias has tricked your cognitive thought processes.

For some it is true, for others not. But the fact that they backtracked on the fact that it is no longer a conspiracy and are not banning people on social media for talking about it says a lot. They rarely do that.

Let's face it, it is waaaay too late to determine whether the virus came from the Wuhan lab or not.

If it did happen, then the Chinese government would have made sure that it all has been covered up. Any info that would have been helpful would have been destroyed by them. Do you honestly believe the Chinese government (and US funding) would allow any evidence to surface if it was true?

Do I believe that it came from Wuhan. Probably, the fact that they just happen to being doing gain of function research into making SARS-CoV-2 cross from animals into humans is one huuuge coincidence.

Dr Li-Men Yan from the University of Hong Kong says she was working with and had direct knowledge of the gain of function research into making it cross into humans. She worked with SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2.

There was a 2018 coronavirus speech at a university on crossing the virus from animal to human, guess what, it was wiped. A little odd if there was no connection.

They have tried reinfecting animals like bats with SARS-CoV-2 and they can't seem to get it right. Just a little weird if it did originate from animals.

 

[Sensorei]

Quite interesting.

Very high efficacy for under 50's, with lower efficacy on over 50's.

Over 50's had been vaccinated earlier. I wonder if this is showing a correlation with Israeli data that older people should get a booster shot, some 6 months later?

No correlation. Over 50's are just more likely to get covid because of their overall weaker immune systems.

 

[cobussc]

So Dr Malone is a conspiracy theorist now?

Hahahaha the co-inventor of the mRNA vaccine, the VERY THING you are punting here like a fanboy, is a conspiracy theorist for raising concerns about a vaccine that is being used on billions of people, and has only been authorised for emergency use. And yes, it is experimental.

Dr Malone and his wife believe he invented the mRNA vaccine. They are a decided minority: https://www.logically.ai/articles/who-is-dr.-robert-malone

 

[Hush9300]

Quite interesting.

Very high efficacy for under 50's, with lower efficacy on over 50's.

Over 50's had been vaccinated earlier. I wonder if this is showing a correlation with Israeli data that older people should get a booster shot, some 6 months later?

Much like outcomes in the real world prior to vaccines.

It's quite concerning. It doesn't appear that vaccine induced immunity is particularly long lasting.

 

[SoldierMan]

Dr Malone and his wife believe he invented the mRNA vaccine. They are a decided minority: https://www.logically.ai/articles/who-is-dr.-robert-malone

If you go to the Wiki page for mRNA vaccines you will find that Dr Malone was part of the the first successful transfection of mRNA packaged within a liposomal nanoparticle into a cell in 1989. Even Wiki says this was pretty well the earliest work done on mRNA vaccines.

People want to whitewash Dr Malone because he is not sticking to the narrative.

mRNA vaccine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Here is a link to and the abstract from their 1989 study:

Cationic liposome-mediated RNA transfection
R W Malone, P L Felgner, and I M Verma

Abstract
We have developed an efficient and reproducible method for RNA transfection, using a synthetic cationic lipid, N-[1-(2,3-dioleyloxy)propyl]-N,N,N-trimethylammonium chloride (DOTMA), incorporated into a liposome (lipofectin). Transfection of 10 ng to 5 micrograms of Photinus pyralis luciferase mRNA synthesized in vitro into NIH 3T3 mouse cells yields a linear response of luciferase activity. The procedure can be used to efficiently transfect RNA into human, rat, mouse, Xenopus, and Drosophila cells. Using the RNA/lipofectin transfection procedure, we have analyzed the role of capping and beta-globin 5' and 3' untranslated sequences on the translation efficiency of luciferase RNA synthesized in vitro. Following transfection of NIH 3T3 cells, capped mRNAs with beta-globin untranslated sequences produced at least 1000-fold more luciferase protein than mRNAs lacking these elements.

 

[Hush9300]

let’s not forget that older people are....older.

So what was the fuss about prior to these vaccines?

No correlation. Over 50's are just more likely to get covid because of their overall weaker immune systems.

These vaccines don't prevent you from getting Covid but rather to reduce serious illness and death. That efficacy is waning so soon is very concerning. It's happening in the UK, Israel and Cyprus...

 

[Daveogg]

For some it is true, for others not. But the fact that they backtracked on the fact that it is no longer a conspiracy and are not banning people on social media for talking about it says a lot. They rarely do that.

Let's face it, it is waaaay too late to determine whether the virus came from the Wuhan lab or not.

If it did happen, then the Chinese government would have made sure that it all has been covered up. Any info that would have been helpful would have been destroyed by them. Do you honestly believe the Chinese government (and US funding) would allow any evidence to surface if it was true?

Do I believe that it came from Wuhan. Probably, the fact that they just happen to being doing gain of function research into making SARS-CoV-2 cross from animals into humans is one huuuge coincidence.

Dr Li-Men Yan from the University of Hong Kong says she was working with and had direct knowledge of the gain of function research into making it cross into humans. She worked with SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2.

There was a 2018 coronavirus speech at a university on crossing the virus from animal to human, guess what, it was wiped. A little odd if there was no connection.

They have tried reinfecting animals like bats with SARS-CoV-2 and they can't seem to get it right. Just a little weird if it did originate from animals.

"For some it is true, for others not." An opinion, a belief a hypothesis, is not the truth.
What you did is just spew a whole ton of confirmation bias.

I am not having a go at you. Your brain is wired is too do this. When you were a caveman, gathering food and you heard a noise that sounded like a lion in the undergrowth - you didn't wait to gather all the evidence, you jumped to a conclusion and acted.

"Thinking Fast and Slow" Daniel Kahneman
"The Undoing Project" Michael Lewis

 

[SoldierMan]

"For some it is true, for others not." An opinion, a belief a hypothesis, is not the truth.
What you did is just spew a whole ton of confirmation bias.

I am not having a go at you. Your brain is wired is too do this. When you were a caveman, gathering food and you heard a noise that sounded like a lion in the undergrowth - you didn't wait to gather all the evidence, you jumped to a conclusion and acted.

"Thinking Fast and Slow" Daniel Kahneman
"The Undoing Project" Michael Lewis

I don't think you understood what I wrote.

Is there concrete evidence that the virus came from the Wuhan lab, no, but it is highly suspicious that they just happen to be doing gain of function research into making the virus compatible with humans, and that they can't now reinfect the animals from which the virus supposedly crossed.

So do I believe it came from the Wuhan lab, yes (this is my opinion, not fact). Is there concrete evidence, no. Like I said before, we will never know for certain as the Chinese government will never let it be known if it was true.

 

[SauRoNZA]

If true, devastating.

Doctor: Heart Failure From MRNA Jabs “Will Kill Most People”​

Dr Charles Hoffe MD, in his latest update of July 6, 2021 is reporting on the disturbing findings in his patients. He says the mRNA vaccines are plugging up thousands of tiny capillaries in the blood of those who took the ‘vaccine.’ Most will die in a few short years from heart failure.

The spike proteins injected, which are designed to be mass produced in the bodies of the vaccinated, are the cause of the clotting, which is having adverse effects on no fewer than 60 percent of people injected.

Dr Hoffe continues:

“So it is absolutely inevitable that blood clots will form because your blood platelets circulate round your blood vessels, and the purpose of blood platelets is to identify damaged vessels and stop bleeding. So, when the platelet comes through the capillary it suddenly hits all these COVID spikes and it becomes absolutely inevitable that blood clots will form to block that vessel.”

Therefore, these spike proteins can predictably cause blood clots. They are in your blood vessels (if mRNA ‘vaccinated’) so it is guaranteed. Dr Bahrdi then said to me that the way to prove this is to do a blood test called a D-dimer blood test.

“The blood clots we hear about which the media claim are very rare are the big blood clots which are the ones that cause strokes and show up on CT scans, MRI, etc. The clots I’m talking about are microscopic and too small to find on any scan. They can thus only be detected using the D-dimer test.”

Dr Hoffe explains he has been performing D-dimer tests on his mRNA ‘vaccinated’ patients and he has worryingly identified that 62 percent of them had these microscopic blood clots.

“These people have no idea they are even having these microscopic blood clots. The most alarming part of this is that there are some parts of the body like the brain, spinal cord, heart and lungs which cannot re-generate. When those tissues are damaged by blood clots they are permanently damaged.”

The result, says Dr Hoffe, is that these patients have what is termed Reduced Effort Tolerance (RET) which means they get out of breath much easily than they used to. It is because the blood vessels in their lungs are now blocked up. In turn, this causes the heart to need to work harder to try to keep up against a much greater resistance trying to get the blood through your lungs.

This is called pulmonary artery hypertension – high blood pressure in the lungs because the blood simply cannot get through effectively. People with this condition usually die of heart failure within a few short years.

In conclusion, Dr Hoffe lamented:

"These Shots Are Causing Huge Damage And The Worst Is Yet To Come.”

Source

Video of the doctor talking: https://www.bitchute.com/video/HzFryvUuryVS/

The fact you started that post with “if true” pretty much says it all.

A glimmering light is that at least a glimpse of critical thinking is starting to happen in your brain thinking that it may not be true.

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