mRNA Spike protein is very dangerous, it's cytotoxic - says INVENTOR of mRNA Technology

[VicB]

So what you are saying is that no evidence of blood clots were found in the vaccinated people?

Why are you just attacking site it was mentioned on and not the blood clot evidence????

Do you also still think that those who say the virus came from the Wuhan lab should be banned too? Or did that "conspiracy" prove to be true.....

WHAT EVIDENCE???? There is no evidence. You have a guy on a dodgy website full of fringe conspiracy nonsense, making claims about what he thinks will happen to his patients. No trial, no documentation, no stats, no numbers, nothing published, nothing verified, no sources. NO EVIDENCE!! Furthermore, this wackjob has been warned about his false information by medical authorities. I'll answer the stuff about why his logic is flawed and d-dimer tests in another post.

You keep falling for this bullshit conspiracy nonsense because you clearly do not understand what constitutes quality evidence, or any scientific evidence for that matter.

Go do yourself a favour, and go and read a published trial in a medical journal. Don't read the content, just look at all the references sited at the end of the article, which sometimes run close to triple figures. Then compare how that study or article was written to your guy here...

 

[SoldierMan]

The fact you started that post with “if true” pretty much says it all.

A glimmering light is that at least a glimpse of critical thinking is starting to happen in your brain thinking that it may not be true.

Canadian doctors recycle inaccurate Covid-19 claims

A video featuring Canadian doctors warning about the purported harm to children from Covid-19 mitigation measures and vaccines is circulating on social media. But the 22-minute video includes multiple false or misleading assertions about mask wearing and the shots, several of which have been...

factcheck.afp.com

Lol, do you ever start a sentence with "if true"? No? Well what does that say about your critical thinking.....

 

[Daveogg]

I don't think you understood what I wrote.

Is there concrete evidence that the virus came from the Wuhan lab, no, but it is highly suspicious that they just happen to be doing gain of function research into making the virus compatible with humans, and that they can't now reinfect the animals from which the virus supposedly crossed.

So do I believe it came from the Wuhan lab, yes (this is my opinion, not fact). Is there concrete evidence, no. Like I said before, we will never know for certain as the Chinese government will never let it be known if it was true.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Lol, do you ever start a sentence with "if true"? No? Well what does that say about your critical thinking.....

No I do not.

I figure it out before I post about it. I don’t post **** knowing it’s potentially false.

And if I didn’t post something that turns out being false I go back and correct my statement to inform everyone it was bullshit.

Which is something you haven’t done even once when shown your data and sources are completely wrong and false, you continue to perpetuate it as truth which makes you accountable and in fact criminally liable at this point I’m lead to understand.

Also good going ignoring the evidence refuting all the kak you posted as “if true”.

You are part of this entire problem of misinformation. “If true” wouldn’t need to exist if people like yourself didn’t keep punting falsehoods.

 

[SoldierMan]

WHAT EVIDENCE???? There is no evidence. You have a guy on a dodgy website full of fringe conspiracy nonsense, making claims about what he thinks will happen to his patients. No trial, no documentation, no stats, no numbers, nothing published, nothing verified, no sources. NO EVIDENCE!! Furthermore, this wackjob has been warned about his false information by medical authorities. I'll answer the stuff about why his logic is flawed and d-dimer tests in another post.

You keep falling for this bullshit conspiracy nonsense because you clearly do not understand what constitutes quality evidence, or any scientific evidence for that matter.

Go do yourself a favour, and go and read a published trial in a medical journal. Don't read the content, just look at all the references sited at the end of the article, which sometimes run close to triple figures. Then compare how that study or article was written to your guy here...

NO EVIDENCE you say....
What about the D-dimer tests which you conveniently ignored.

You can shout and shake your hands as much as you want, but it doesn't refute what the doctor said. Only research will do that.

Do you still believe that it is not even debatable that the virus came from the Wuhan lab?

Do you still think it is debatable that the AstraZeneca vaccine has the potential to create blood clots?

 

[Geoff.D]

Did I miss something, has it been proved?

Well, yesterday, the WHO, and the Chinese puppet Tedros in an interview appealed to China to come clean and release all the raw data about the origins of this virus.
For the first time he acknowledged that lab accidents are possible and even admitted he has seen an accident himself.
He said China owes it to the World to allow experts to analyse ALL the data

 

[Hush9300]

"For some it is true, for others not." An opinion, a belief a hypothesis, is not the truth.
What you did is just spew a whole ton of confirmation bias.

I am not having a go at you. Your brain is wired is too do this. When you were a caveman, gathering food and you heard a noise that sounded like a lion in the undergrowth - you didn't wait to gather all the evidence, you jumped to a conclusion and acted.

"Thinking Fast and Slow" Daniel Kahneman
"The Undoing Project" Michael Lewis

The whole narrative regarding Covid is tripe… And you know how I know?

I had Covid in November 2019. Yes, November 2019… I woke up 1 morning and, inexplicably, my sense of taste was completely gone. A week later I had a cough that put me flat on my back for a week and some change. This is coming from someone who never coughs. I’ve never had bronchitis in my life. I tend to regurgitate phlegm instead of coughing.

I went to a GP who referred me to an ENT initially, before the coughing started. Did all sorts of weird tests which included ice cream sticks and different taste solutions placed on different areas of my tongue. Doctor was at a complete loss because I had no congestion or other symptoms which usually accompany loss of taste. Anyway, I was diagnosed with ageusia, prescribed an antiviral and prednisone as well being told that my sense of taste may never be the same again if I even get it back. A few days later the dry and sore coughing started.

It was only in April when my GP called, around the time when people started piecing loss of smell and taste as Covid symptoms, to say it was likely that I had Covid. When the antibody tests became available, think it was July/August he emailed me a referral letter and lo and behold I tested positive for antibodies.

 

[SoldierMan]

No I do not.

I figure it out before I post about it. I don’t post **** knowing it’s potentially false.

And if I didn’t post something that turns out being false I go back and correct my statement to inform everyone it was bullshit.

Which is something you haven’t done even once when shown your data and sources are completely wrong and false, you continue to perpetuate it as truth which makes you accountable and in fact criminally liable at this point I’m lead to understand.

Also good going ignoring the evidence refuting all the kak you posted as “if true”.

You are part of this entire problem of misinformation. “If true” wouldn’t need to exist if people like yourself didn’t keep punting falsehoods.

So basically if it was up to people like you, the fact that the virus could have come from the Wuhan lab would still be a conspiracy and a no-go topic.

If it was up to people like you the AstraZeneca vaccine wouldn't have been identified as creating blood clots in some instances.

People like you DON'T ALLOW for new info to surface.

You suppress debate and topics like is the spike protein cytotoxic.

If it was up to you NOTHING would be discussed apart from what the big pharma companies tell you is the truth.

You are not someone who fights for truth as you so declare you are someone who punts dogma.

 

[Daveogg]

Well, yesterday, the WHO, and the Chinese puppet Tedros in an interview appealed to China to come clean and release all the raw data about the origins of this virus.
For the first time he acknowledged that lab accidents are possible and even admitted he has seen an accident himself.
He said China owes it to the World to allow experts to analyse ALL the data

Awesome, I did miss that.
But lets state its proven when its proven. Else people may take posts on face value and start repeating its proven.

 

[VicB]

NO EVIDENCE you say....
What about the D-dimer tests which you conveniently ignored.

You can shout and shake your hands as much as you want, but it doesn't refute what the doctor said. Only research will do that.

Do you still believe that it is not even debatable that the virus came from the Wuhan lab?

Do you still think it is debatable that the AstraZeneca vaccine has the potential to create blood clots?

So we have established you have a problem comprehending written content on the internet and distinguishing between solid evidence and anecdotal opinion. We now have established that you also only read half of what is posted. You clearly failed to read the part where I said I will reply to the d-dimer testing in another post. (As it's quite a long and technical explanation)

You are clearly a nutjob, and nothing you say will refute it. Only research will do that.

And seeing as this is the logic prevalent in this thread at the moment, I claim that all people that have taken the vaccine will sprout a 3rd eye in 5 years time, because I say so. You can't refute it, only research will do that.

 

[Daveogg]

The whole narrative regarding Covid is tripe… And you know how I know?

I had Covid in November 2019. Yes, November 2019… I woke up 1 morning and, inexplicably, my sense of taste was completely gone. A week later I had cough that put me flat on my back for a week and some change. This is coming from someone who never coughs. I’ve never had bronchitis in my life. I tend to regurgitate phlegm instead of coughing.

I went to a GP who referred me to an ENT initially, before the coughing started. Did all sorts of weird tests which included ice cream sticks and different taste solutions placed on different areas of my tongue. Doctor was at a complete loss because I had no congestion or other symptoms which usually accompany loss of taste. Anyway, I was diagnosed with ageusia, prescribed an antiviral and prednisone as well being told that my sense of taste may never be the same again if I even get it back. A few days later the dry and sore coughing started.

It was only in April when my GP called, around the time when people started piecing loss of smell and taste as Covid symptoms, to say it was likely that I had Covid. When the antibody tests became available, think it was July/August he emailed me a referral letter and lo and behold I tested positive for antibodies.

So is that evidence for or against it originating in the Wuhan Lab?

 

[SauRoNZA]

So basically if it was up to people like you, the fact that the virus could have come from the Wuhan lab would still be a conspiracy and a no-go topic.

If it was up to people like you the AstraZeneca vaccine wouldn't have been identified as creating blood clots in some instances.

People like you DON'T ALLOW for new info to surface.

You suppress debate and topics like is the spike protein cytotoxic.

If it was up to you NOTHING would be discussed apart from what the big pharma companies tell you is the truth.

You are not someone who fights for truth as you so declare you are someone who punts dogma.

Not at all.

Of course the blood clots from AZ would have surfaced because it’s actively being monitored and none of that would have changed. Nobody ever tried to hide this information.

And it was still inconsequential being less risky than most Medications people take daily but was blown out of proportion by the likes of you with no comparative understanding.

It’s got nothing to do with stifling debate or suppressing truth.

It’s all about truth and VERIFYING that truth.

What you do is take ANYTHING by ANYONE and push it forward as truth and that is the objection.

Evidence is verified, that’s what makes it evidence. The stuff you punt as evidence is mostly fictional with no verification.

 

[SoldierMan]

So we have established you have a problem comprehending written content on the internet and distinguishing between solid evidence and anecdotal opinion. We now have established that you also only read half of what is posted. You clearly failed to read the part where I said I will reply to the d-dimer testing in another post. (As it's quite a long and technical explanation)

You are clearly a nutjob, and nothing you say will refute it. Only research will do that.

And seeing as this is the logic prevalent in this thread at the moment, I claim that all people that have taken the vaccine will sprout a 3rd eye in 5 years time, because I say so. You can't refute it, only research will do that.

You're just another wild-eyed person who hates anything that differs from the current narrative.

Did I at any time say what the doctor said is true????

No, I put it out there as a topic for debate.

The fact that YOU want to twist the truth and say that I am saying it is now fact is you at your disingenuous best. Well done, you are a liar.

People like you would have AstraZeneca's blood clots covered up because it questions the vaccine. People like you would have us cover up the Wuhan lab angle because it doesn't fit the narrative.

 

[SoldierMan]

Not at all.

Of course the blood clots from AZ would have surfaced because it’s actively being monitored and none of that would have changed. Nobody ever tried to hide this information.

And it was still inconsequential being less risky than most Medications people take daily but was blown out of proportion by the likes of you with no comparative understanding.

It’s got nothing to do with stifling debate or suppressing truth.

It’s all about truth and VERIFYING that truth.

What you do is take ANYTHING by ANYONE and push it forward as truth and that is the objection.

Evidence is verified, that’s what makes it evidence. The stuff you punt as evidence is mostly fictional with no verification.

Nonsense. I raise topics like the spike protein.

Tell me, if the co-inventor of the mRNA vaccine is not allowed to raise concerns about the spike protein being cytotoxic, who is????

Do we tell Dr Malone to shut his mouth because he is not one of the chosen ones??? Do we suppress debate like that??? Tell me.

 

[Daveogg]

NO EVIDENCE you say....
What about the D-dimer tests which you conveniently ignored.

You can shout and shake your hands as much as you want, but it doesn't refute what the doctor said. Only research will do that.

Do you still believe that it is not even debatable that the virus came from the Wuhan lab?

Do you still think it is debatable that the AstraZeneca vaccine has the potential to create blood clots?

Did you read my post explaining d-dimers? Post no 665?
Has it added to your knowledge on the subject, or as appears has it been ignored?

 

[Hush9300]

So is that evidence for or against it originating in the Wuhan Lab?

Does it matter? It’s out in the wild…

There is just too much suppression of information. The narrative is being tightly controlled and the media is complicit. Why are people, doctors even, with alternative theories regarding this matter censored and labelled as nut jobs or cuckoos? Why is the falling vaccination efficacy not being given the necessary airtime?

Why aren’t all ‘reasonable’ theories given equal measure so the public can make informed decisions for themselves instead of this ridiculous controlled narrative?

 

[Geoff.D]

Much like outcomes in the real world prior to vaccines.

It's quite concerning. It doesn't appear that vaccine induced immunity is particularly long lasting.

mRNA vaccine induced immunity. It does not translate into ALL vaccine induced immunity. We know of many vaccines that do induce long lasting immunity.
So, mRNA technology still has lots more to work on.

 

[buka001]

Vaccines highly effective against hospitalisation from Delta variant

New analysis by PHE shows for the first time that 2 doses of COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective against hospitalisation from the Delta (B.1.617.2) variant.

www.gov.uk

Need to examine the full context of the Public Health England analysis on the efficacy of the vaccines.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Nonsense. I raise topics like the spike protein.

Tell me, if the co-inventor of the mRNA vaccine is not allowed to raise concerns about the spike protein being cytotoxic, who is????

Do we tell Dr Malone to shut his mouth because he is not one of the chosen ones??? Do we suppress debate like that??? Tell me.

We’ve already confirmed Dr Malone is in no position to actually make comments and therefore none of his are valid.

But you instead ignored that and trust in Wikipedia that can be edited by anyone and everyone as a source of truth.

We had the debate. It died when he had no credibility.

It’s not suppressed, it’s just over.

 

[SoldierMan]

Did you read my post explaining d-dimers? Post no 665?
Has it added to your knowledge on the subject, or as appears has it been ignored?

Just read it now.
So you are saying that there is a test that can be done to detect these microscopic obstructions and that a D-dimer test is too vague?

Doesn't it make sense that over time the problem would get worse and that you wouldn't necessarily have the symptoms right away?

Are you saying that no further research is needed?