mRNA Spike protein is very dangerous, it's cytotoxic - says INVENTOR of mRNA Technology

[Daveogg]

Does it matter? It’s out in the wild…

There is just too much suppression of information. The narrative is being tightly controlled and the media is complicit. Why are people, doctors even, with alternative theories regarding this matter censored and labelled as nut jobs or cuckoos? Why is the falling vaccination efficacy not being given the necessary airtime?

Why aren’t all ‘reasonable’ theories given equal measure so the public can make informed decisions for themselves instead of this ridiculous controlled narrative?

Take these last few pages of "debate". Some doctor gets a press release published using scary words like "clots", "heart failure", "d-dimers" etc. Anyone of my colleagues reading this goes "this guys a charlatan, makes no sense, that's not how clotting works, moving on." Joe Public goes "see new world order is trying to kill us all".

These theories are not reasonable, when there is a reasonable concern, like the adenovirus vector vaccines causing large vessel clots, the vaccine is paused, data is gathered, experts (real ones) assess it and advice is given. Believe me we are now on a heightened lookout for VITT - Vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia.

 

[SoldierMan]

We’ve already confirmed Dr Malone is in no position to actually make comments and therefore none of his are valid.

But you instead ignored that and trust in Wikipedia that can be edited by anyone and everyone as a source of truth.

We had the debate. It died when he had no credibility.

It’s not suppressed, it’s just over.

Guess I missed that debate.

Why does he have no credibility according to you?

What has he done that you dismiss a man's entire career and work, who helped lay the groundwork for mRNA vaccines.

I mean it's got to be pretty conclusive.... do tell.

 

[Daveogg]

Just read it now.
So you are saying that there is a test that can be done to detect these microscopic obstructions and that a D-dimer test is too vague?

Doesn't it make sense that over time the problem would get worse and that you wouldn't necessarily have the symptoms right away?

Are you saying that no further research is needed?

Ah No, No Yes.

Here is a plan, read up on the coagulation system, once you understand it lets continue.
Maybe start here:

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onlinelibrary.wiley.com

 

[SoldierMan]

Ah No, No Yes.

Here is a plan, read up on the coagulation system, once you understand it lets continue.
Maybe start here:

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onlinelibrary.wiley.com

That's not an answer, but thanks anyway.

 

[Daveogg]

That's not an answer, but thanks anyway.

I've given you a superficial overview of d-dimers, the answer requires a textbook (or quite a number) and years of studying.

 

[SoldierMan]

I've given you a superficial overview of d-dimers, the answer requires a textbook (or quite a number) and years of studying.

Wasn't it Einstein who said: "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."

Just asking you to help a little layman like myself understand why the clotting would not take time to form doc.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Guess I missed that debate.

Why does he have no credibility according to you?

What has he done that you dismiss a man's entire career and work, who helped lay the groundwork for mRNA vaccines.

I mean it's got to be pretty conclusive.... do tell.

You responded to it so don’t know how you could have missed it.

Only he and his wife claim him to be an Inventor, nobody else agrees.

He is basically self-appointed hence no credibility.

If I claimed I invented the modern battery and my wife agreed with me would you believe me?

Why am I even asking. Of course you would believe me because that’s all the evidence required in your line of thinking.

Let me just quickly update the Wikipedia page and go add my name…

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This is exactly like that other one floating around where the ex-CEO of Pfizer says so and so vaccines are bad.

Then you dig deeper and it was some low level guy who once worked for Pfizer and got fired from his job for breaking protocol and spreading exactly this kind of kak around.

 

[SoldierMan]

You responded to it so don’t know how you could have missed it.

Only he and his wife claim him to be an Inventor, nobody else agrees.

He is basically self-appointed hence no credibility.

If I claimed I invented the modern battery and my wife agreed with me would you believe me?

So all the studies and tests he (and others) done with mRNA technology back in 1989 is now defunct/whitewashed?? Gotcha

 

[Hush9300]

Take these last few pages of "debate". Some doctor gets a press release published using scary words like "clots", "heart failure", "d-dimers" etc. Anyone of my colleagues reading this goes "this guys a charlatan, makes no sense, that's not how clotting works, moving on." Joe Public goes "see new world order is trying to kill us all".

These theories are not reasonable, when there is a reasonable concern, like the adenovirus vector vaccines causing large vessel clots, the vaccine is paused, data is gathered, experts (real ones) assess it and advice is given. Believe me we are now on a heightened lookout for VITT - Vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia.

Using the extreme example of the last few pages doesn’t make your argument any stronger.

What is your view on the vaccine induced myo/pericarditis in adolescents and the persistence in vaccinating this very group who are in no means at risk of severe Covid? This is not conjecture… They’ve admitted it’s occurrence but yet they persist.

I have a colleague who lost use and feeling in his limbs due to the J&J vaccine? An otherwise healthy human being now has an auto immune disorder… Are you at least warning people of this risk? Are you halting the rollout and investigating this?

 

[SauRoNZA]

So all the studies and tests he (and others) done with mRNA technology back in 1989 is now defunct/whitewashed?? Gotcha

I wouldn’t go that far. But when it starts with a lie it usually ends with a lie.

What I would rather question more deeply is even if it were true that he invented it how much relevance does his 32-year old information have in the here and now especially when he’s had nothing to do with the modern day vaccine or anything the last couple of years.

Double Check: Who Is Dr. Robert Malone?

A scientist claiming to have invented mRNA technology has gained popularity among the anti-vax movement. Who is he, and what's the truth about his claims?

www.logically.ai

Please go read EACH AND EVERY point in this link. They all apply to you.

Especially this one…

UPDATE: Malone reached out to Logically, stating that he did not invent the mRNA vaccines, but instead the "vaccine technology platform." He also presented us with copies of nine patents – none of which showed that he invented the mRNA vaccines. The judgment for the claim has not changed.

 

[Markd]

So what was the fuss about prior to these vaccines?

These vaccines don't prevent you from getting Covid but rather to reduce serious illness and death. That efficacy is waning so soon is very concerning. It's happening in the UK, Israel and Cyprus...

Immunity means you have antibodies to a disease so when you catch it your system can handle it. As you say it doesnt stop you from getting it. The vaccines are preventing death. This is pretty clear to see when the UK has a whopping 50k cases yesterday, and a recorded 49 deaths within 28 days of taking a positive sample (COVID positive).

SA by comparison has 15k cases yesterday, and 413 deaths. Not even a 3rd of the cases, but close to 10 times the amount of death.

Analyzing a relatively small number of deaths (in the case of the UK) to find out who was/wasn't vaccinated almost doesn't make any sense. Over and above that, all I was pointing out was, irrespective of vaccination status, if a young person and an older person were afflicted by the same disease, generally, you would expect the younger person to fare better.

 

[Daveogg]

Wasn't it Einstein who said: "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."

Just asking you to help a little layman like myself understand why the clotting would not take time to form doc.

Guilty as charged, I don't fully understand coagulation.

In your experience of clotting does it happen slowly? You cut your finger, no worries over the next 6 months it should stop bleeding?

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Analyzing a relatively small number of deaths (in the case of the UK) to find out who was/wasn't vaccinated almost doesn't make any sense

you can look at a larger number than deaths: those who needed emergency care, official UK data showing over 50's are significantly more likely to need emergency care for covid after being vaccinated:

 

[SoldierMan]

I wouldn’t go that far. But when it starts with a lie it usually ends with a lie.

What I would rather question more deeply is even if it were true that he invented it how much relevance does his 32-year old information have in the here and now especially when he’s had nothing to do with the modern day vaccine or anything the last couple of years.

Double Check: Who Is Dr. Robert Malone?

A scientist claiming to have invented mRNA technology has gained popularity among the anti-vax movement. Who is he, and what's the truth about his claims?

www.logically.ai

Please go read EACH AND EVERY point in this link. They all apply to you.

Especially this one…

Hahaha so you just take the word of this one website as the gospel truth!! Gotcha
Seems you're guilty of everything you accuse me and others of. Nice one.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Hahaha so you just take the word of this one website as the gospel truth!! Gotcha
Seems you're guilty of everything you accuse me and others of. Nice one.

Not at all, they just put it in a nicely collated and condensed manner that’s easy for your small brain to understand if you bothered to read for comprehension.

I could provide a hundred other legitimate sources, but it’s just not worth it.

 

[Geoff.D]

Slow down guys.
d-dimers is a blood test which measures fibrin degradation. Fibrin is a protein involved in clotting.
d-dimer is most definitely done in SA, I would guess I perform an average of 5 per day BUT it is very non specific.
Causes of a raised d-dimer would include Venous Thromboembolic disease ( what we use it for ), Infection, Trauma, post operative states, Cancer, and probably relevant Age. I looked at one study before writing this reply - in a study of raised d-dimers in an Emergency Unit population 32 different diagnosis were associated with raised d-dimer, infection being the most common.

The next point is biologically, physiologically his post makes no sense. I can assure you if you have what he describes ie multiple small vessel clots we have a name for that Diffuse Intravascular Coagulation, you get very acutely very sick. You don't wander around with a DIC then after a while go into heart failure and die. He mentioned pulmonary hypertension from multiple clots, again right heart failure (rt heart pumps to the lungs) presents very acutely and an ECG and Echo will easily give you the diagnosis, yet he does not mention that.

As far as people doing d-dimers randomly - you can but I would not suggest it. If it is raised you are going to trigger a whole host of investigations, probably ending with a CT Pulmonary angiogram - and find nothing.

Thanks Daveogg, a short and to the point explanation of a very complex subject.

I think you helped to confirm my point. It is easy for a person in the profession to unpack the facts in the report and confirm the valid ones and reject the wrong ones and then comment on the conclusions drawn.
It is hard for the rest of us to do but not impossible either. I spent about 7 hours going through the theory. Do I think I can now step into a trauma ward and claim to be an expert? Of course not! But I know one hell of lot more than I knew 2 days ago.

I started by going by looking at all the blood test records for myself ( I have copies of every single one I managed to get the system to give me over the years). I went from there step for step through the article. Enough for me to get to the point that the good Dr is probably going a step too far in his deductions.

It would still be hugely reassuring if the manufacturers of mRNA vaccines would take the lead and indicate IF these vaccines would affect D-dimer test results and what that would imply in relation to the safety or otherwise of the vaccines.
(I don't know if this is an unreasonable expectation though).

 

[Hush9300]

Immunity means you have antibodies to a disease so when you catch it your system can handle it. As you say it doesnt stop you from getting it. The vaccines are preventing death. This is pretty clear to see when the UK has a whopping 50k cases yesterday, and a recorded 49 deaths within 28 days of taking a positive sample (COVID positive).

SA by comparison has 15k cases yesterday, and 413 deaths. Not even a 3rd of the cases, but close to 10 times the amount of death.

Analyzing a relatively small number of deaths (in the case of the UK) to find out who was/wasn't vaccinated almost doesn't make any sense. Over and above that, all I was pointing out was, irrespective of vaccination status, if a young person and an older person were afflicted by the same disease, generally, you would expect the younger person to fare better.

You're not understanding. Yes, they're decreasing deaths now but their efficacy in doing so is starting to wane. This phenomena is starting to rear its head in other parts of the world too so much so that Israel are having to give third doses to the elderly and vulnerable. The immunity is not long lasting or at least it appears not to be.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?

Nearly 40% of new COVID patients were vaccinated - compared to just 1% who had been infected previously.

www.israelnationalnews.com

With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave

 

[Markd]

you can look at a larger number than deaths: those who needed emergency care, official UK data showing over 50's are significantly more likely to need emergency care for covid after being vaccinated:

ok, so, do you want to do an investigation? How many 50+ individuals needed emergency care and/or died during the first and second waves in the UK, versus how many need it now? Comparing data in what is a dimishing sample size (because so many people have been vaccinated in the UK now, at least with one shot) doesn't really give a holistic picture of how well the vaccines have worked. I dont have this data to-hand, but I'm pretty keen to find it.

 

[SoldierMan]

Guilty as charged, I don't fully understand coagulation.

In your experience of clotting does it happen slowly? You cut your finger, no worries over the next 6 months it should stop bleeding?

Ok, makes sense, thanks.

I think what the doctor is describing is a little different though. He is saying that the the blockages will be permanent and so will put more work and stress on the heart trying to pump the blood with more resistance, and so over time this will lead to heart attacks. An accumulative effect of the heart working harder, rather than an immediate effect.