mRNA Spike protein is very dangerous, it's cytotoxic - says INVENTOR of mRNA Technology

[SoldierMan]

Not at all, they just put it in a nicely collated and condensed manner that’s easy for your small brain to understand if you bothered to read for comprehension.

I could provide a hundred other legitimate sources, but it’s just not worth it.

Yeah exactly you have no evidence as to why he should be ignored, other than he isn't following the official narrative, which you follow to the letter.

One claim does not do away with a whole career in the field. Get a clue.

 

[AfricanTech]

Well fck!

Die now, Die later....

Decisions, decisions...

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

ok, so, do you want to do an investigation? How many 50+ individuals needed emergency care and/or died during the first and second waves in the UK, versus how many need it now? Comparing data in what is a dimishing sample size (because so many people have been vaccinated in the UK now, at least with one shot) doesn't really give a holistic picture of how well the vaccines have worked. I dont have this data to-hand, but I'm pretty keen to find it.

you can't compare the before to the now, different variants, different weather etc etc etc

the data shows you the apples to apples comparison now, unvaccinated vs vaccinated during the same wave / variant / weather etc

 

[zolly]

Why aren’t all ‘reasonable’ theories given equal measure so the public can make informed decisions for themselves instead of this ridiculous controlled narrative?

Because your average member of the public (including people here) is very, very stupid, and isn't a ****ing doctor.

 

[zolly]

You're not understanding. Yes, they're decreasing deaths now but their efficacy in doing so is starting to wane. This phenomena is starting to rear its head in other parts of the world too so much so that Israel are having to give third doses to the elderly and vulnerable. The immunity is not long lasting or at least it appears not to be.

You are aware that there are multiple variants, and that vaccines will need to be adapted to deal with this right? If booster shots is what we have now, then why not use them?

 

[AfricanTech]

Because your average member of the public (including people here) is very, very stupid, and isn't a ****ing doctor.

If there was a '10000 likes in one' button I would press it for your post

 

[zolly]

If there was a '10000 likes in one' button I would press it for your post

It's ****ing weird how these same people who are pushing back against the vaccine probably would accept chemo and who knows whatever other else a doctor recommends depending on the disease, but suddenly the covid vaccine is an issue...

They don't understand **** about chemo and their other meds and its potential impact, but suddenly they're all experts and worried about the impact of the vaccine...

 

[zolly]

What is your view on the vaccine induced myo/pericarditis in adolescents and the persistence in vaccinating this very group who are in no means at risk of severe Covid? This is not conjecture… They’ve admitted it’s occurrence but yet they persist.

Sources dude. I mean, I can claim all the users with the nick Hush9300 are dumb as rocks but without evidence it's all just farting in the wind.

Also, from what I have read, most countries are not vaccinating young people and kids. Only a few are rolling the dice on that. Others are still waiting on trials or deciding whether they should or shouldn't. It's not every country that's agreed on this.

I have a colleague who lost use and feeling in his limbs due to the J&J vaccine? An otherwise healthy human being now has an auto immune disorder… Are you at least warning people of this risk? Are you halting the rollout and investigating this?

Because of 1 person? Guys, one person ate a bag of chips and got really sick, stop selling chips please!

Also, I know people who now have super powers and are very happy with their vaccine. My one friend loves to peep into the neighbour's shower with his newly acquired x-ray vision. Can't wait for the extra 3" I'm going to get on my junk after I get the jab.

 

[Hush9300]

Because your average member of the public (including people here) is very, very stupid, and isn't a ****ing doctor.

So drip feed the public only what you want them to know… “A nation of sheep will soon have a government of wolves”.

You are aware that there are multiple variants, and that vaccines will need to be adapted to deal with this right? If booster shots is what we have now, then why not use them?

What a load of hogwash. You’re aware that these very variants are of little concern to natural immunity.

 

[Markd]

you can't compare the before to the now, different variants, different weather etc etc etc

the data shows you the apples to apples comparison now, unvaccinated vs vaccinated during the same wave / variant / weather etc

Of course we can compare before to now. In the UK:

On January 20th 2021, daily deaths for the 2nd wave peaked at 1,823. Daily cases were 38,000. At this point, just 7.5% had received 1 dose of a COVID vaccine with only 0.7% fully vaccinated.

On July 15th 2021, daily deaths for the 3rd wave peaked at 63. Daily cases were 48,000. At the current point, just over 69% of people have received 1 dose of a vaccine and 53% have been fully vaccinated.

If we make an assumption which I feel is pretty safe (Id have to go and dig up the data but I reckon this is conservative) that half of deaths were in the 50+ age group, then in January, roughly 900 50+ folks died on Jan 20th. Likewise, 32 of them died yesterday.

We can deduce from the above, that 47% of the population remains unvaccinated, and that as a result of the very low number of deaths, they are the least likely group to die from COVID in an unvaccinated state GENERALLY. Plus, those that have been vaccinated are significantly more protected from death....because they aren't dying generally. The numbers are pretty clear.

So thats why I really dont care much about the stats around vaccinated/unvaccinated right now in any age group, because you are literally comparing a mountain to a molehill.

Edit: I'm using death as the key metric to measure success, obviously.

 

[Hush9300]

Sources dude. I mean, I can claim all the users with the nick Hush9300 are dumb as rocks but without evidence it's all just farting in the wind.

Also, from what I have read, most countries are not vaccinating young people and kids. Only a few are rolling the dice on that. Others are still waiting on trials or deciding whether they should or shouldn't. It's not every country that's agreed on this.



Because of 1 person? Guys, one person ate a bag of chips and got really sick, stop selling chips please!

Also, I know people who now have super powers and are very happy with their vaccine. My one friend loves to peep into the neighbour's shower with his newly acquired x-ray vision. Can't wait for the extra 3" I'm going to get on my junk after I get the jab.

For someone that claims to be knowledgeable about this whole Covid thing you’re seriously uninformed.

Go and google it. It’s everywhere… Even on the CDC site.

Also, take your condescending tone and stick it where sun don’t shine. I was having a nice discussion with others.

 

[Hush9300]

Of course we can compare before to now. In the UK:

On January 20th 2021, daily deaths for the 2nd wave peaked at 1,823. Daily cases were 38,000. At this point, just 7.5% had received 1 dose of a COVID vaccine with only 0.7% fully vaccinated.

On July 15th 2021, daily deaths for the 3rd wave peaked at 63. Daily cases were 48,000. At the current point, just over 69% of people have received 1 dose of a vaccine and 53% have been fully vaccinated.

If we make an assumption which I feel is pretty safe (Id have to go and dig up the data but I reckon this is conservative) that half of deaths were in the 50+ age group, then in January, roughly 900 50+ folks were died on Jan 20th. Likewise, 32 of them died yesterday.

We can deduce from the above, that 47% of the population remains unvaccinated, and that as a result of the very low number of deaths, they are the least likely group to die from COVID in an unvaccinated state GENERALLY. Plus, those that have been vaccinated are significantly more protected from death....because they aren't dying generally. The numbers are pretty clear.

So thats why I really dont care much about the stats around vaccinated/unvaccinated right now in any age group, because you are literally comparing a mountain to a molehill.

Have you factored in prior infection into these calculations? Comparing different waves is not rudimentary.

 

[Markd]

Have you factored in prior infection into these calculations? Comparing different waves is not rudimentary.

Is there data on that? Official stats say 8% of the UK have had COVID. We know its probably way more than that but it doesn't look sufficient to have either killed off all the weaklings or generated herd immunity. The more likely reasoning is the relatively high rate of vaccination. Israel is a parallel for the exact same sort of exercise but just has a way smaller population to look at.

 

[SoldierMan]

You are aware that there are multiple variants, and that vaccines will need to be adapted to deal with this right? If booster shots is what we have now, then why not use them?

Data from Israel is showing that if you had recovered from Covid naturally rather than having been vaccinated that you are far far more likely not to become reinfected with variants. Natural immunity seems to give a far wider protection from variants. If you have been vaccinated, there is a chance that you are going to need boosters and more boosters as your immune system has been well.... given incorrect instructions, or limited instructions.

A controversial doctor, Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche, had been warning of this a while back but I didn't post it, because of the "anti-conspiracy" crowd foaming at the mouth about doctors like this putting out warnings that are not part of the narrative. Seems he could be right and now millions of immune systems could be compromised and limited in their response to variants.

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?​

Nearly 40% of new COVID patients were vaccinated - compared to just 1% who had been infected previously.

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.

Health Ministry data on the wave of COVID outbreaks which began this May show that Israelis with immunity from natural infection were far less likely to become infected again in comparison to Israelis who only had immunity via vaccination.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.

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[Geoff.D]

The whole narrative regarding Covid is tripe… And you know how I know?

I had Covid in November 2019. Yes, November 2019… I woke up 1 morning and, inexplicably, my sense of taste was completely gone. A week later I had a cough that put me flat on my back for a week and some change. This is coming from someone who never coughs. I’ve never had bronchitis in my life. I tend to regurgitate phlegm instead of coughing.

I went to a GP who referred me to an ENT initially, before the coughing started. Did all sorts of weird tests which included ice cream sticks and different taste solutions placed on different areas of my tongue. Doctor was at a complete loss because I had no congestion or other symptoms which usually accompany loss of taste. Anyway, I was diagnosed with ageusia, prescribed an antiviral and prednisone as well being told that my sense of taste may never be the same again if I even get it back. A few days later the dry and sore coughing started.

It was only in April when my GP called, around the time when people started piecing loss of smell and taste as Covid symptoms, to say it was likely that I had Covid. When the antibody tests became available, think it was July/August he emailed me a referral letter and lo and behold I tested positive for antibodies.

Great post much appreciated. It shows just what a huge challenge this was initially to the entire medical profession, let alone the rest of us.

 

[Markd]

Data from Israel is showing that if you had recovered from Covid naturally rather than having been vaccinated that you are far far more likely not to become reinfected with variants. Natural immunity seems to give a far wider protection from variants. If you have been vaccinated, there is a chance that you are going to need boosters and more boosters as your immune system has been well.... given incorrect instructions, or limited instructions.

A controversial doctor, Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche, had been warning of this a while back but I didn't post it, because of the "anti-conspiracy" crowd foaming at the mouth about doctors like this putting out warnings that are not part of the narrative. Seems he could be right and now millions of immune systems could be compromised and limited in their response to variants.

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?​

Nearly 40% of new COVID patients were vaccinated - compared to just 1% who had been infected previously.

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.

Health Ministry data on the wave of COVID outbreaks which began this May show that Israelis with immunity from natural infection were far less likely to become infected again in comparison to Israelis who only had immunity via vaccination.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.

More

The entire world doesn't have the luxury of getting naturally infected though, because as we have already seen prior to vaccination rollout, lots of people die! The argument may be thats its just a small percentage, but is enough to bring medical systems down and prevent people with other more serious diseases like cancer etc. from getting the treatment they need. This has already been made abundantly evident in Italy, India etc.

If I was an older person with comorbidities and you offered me the choice of getting naturally infected with a full-on COVID variant that we may not have enough data on to determine how effective my previous vaccine is going to be, or the choice of getting a booster shot, I know which one I'm picking.

 

[Geoff.D]

Awesome, I did miss that.
But lets state its proven when its proven. Else people may take posts on face value and start repeating its proven.

Absolutely. I am content in that this particular one is now back out in the open and not blanketed down as a conspiracy or fake news item. Whether we will ever get it all exposed and open is another matter entirely.
I, however, made up my mind in February 2019 already, I personally require no more. It was 100% clear to me that this virus was manmade and escaped. Nothing this lot says will ever change my mind on that.

 

[SoldierMan]

The entire world doesn't have the luxury of getting naturally infected though, because as we have already seen prior to vaccination rollout, lots of people die! The argument may be thats its just a small percentage, but is enough to bring medical systems down and prevent people with other more serious diseases like cancer etc. from getting the treatment they need. This has already been made abundantly evident in Italy, India etc.

If I was an older person with comorbidities and you offered me the choice of getting naturally infected with a full-on COVID variant that we may not have enough data on to determine how effective my previous vaccine is going to be, or the choice of getting a booster shot, I know which one I'm picking.

But governments should have been talking about alternatives long ago like Vitamin D (yes there are studies to show it is critical for your immune system), zinc, Vitamin C, and yes, Ivermectin, etc., etc. They all were pretty well silent and just waited for the vaccine.

There were other alternatives but the narrative wasn't even to try!!! Crazy.

And now they want to vaccinate those not at risk like children!! Why, only to compromise their immune systems?!

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Of course we can compare before to now

no you can't, as already mentioned you are comparing two different variants of the virus with each other when you do that

 

[Daveogg]

Ok, makes sense, thanks.

I think what the doctor is describing is a little different though. He is saying that the the blockages will be permanent and so will put more work and stress on the heart trying to pump the blood with more resistance, and so over time this will lead to heart attacks. An accumulative effect of the heart working harder, rather than an immediate effect.

Yes, so if I had come up with this hypothesis, in order to legitimize it as a hypothesis worthy of further research I would 1) provide evidence of a coagulopathy - d-dimer may be part of that but so would, platelet counts, INR, TTP, TEG etc. 2) provide evidence of Rt heart strain - ECG changes (Rt Axis, q waves, inverted T in II,III, V1/V2), Echo (Dilated RV, D sign, Abnormal pressure gradients over the tricuspid valve, tricuspid regurgitation). These investigations may sound complicated, but they are not. We do dozens of ECG's daily and have access to Echo in our small semi rural emergency unit.