mRNA Spike protein is very dangerous, it's cytotoxic - says INVENTOR of mRNA Technology

[JangoFett]

Here’s a question for you.

The moment it’s not considered experimental and approved by a government (which most don’t trust) will you be taking it without question?

Not if it's something you have to take every year.

 

[SoldierMan]

Why has the Indian government pulled it from the treatment regime then?

It hasn't been officially pulled according to your article, it has to be approved first.

But pressure from on high?
Bad advice from on high?
Bad advice from advisers?

The question is, does the drug work. The answer is yes. The stats speak for themselves. States can continue to use the drug though and continue to save lives.

Eventually either the truth in the form of dead bodies will wake people up or the recoveries will.

 

[Swa]

You are right, in the context of potential complications to the person down the line time could certainly play a deeper part.

I’m not really sure even five years is enough for that though and likely as with many things discovered over the decades it’s not really something we can account for perfectly anyway.

Well some here are laughing at that notion claiming we should be seeing those long term effects because of the number of participants. It's like they're incapable of seeing we're dealing with two different kinds of data.

As for the initial administration you don’t need time for that, just test data.

That I can kinda agree with. The only problem I have with it is that we are already seeing conflicting data that doesn't support the initial 90%+ efficacy claims. Time usually sorts out such inconsistencies.

Because every single drug has side effects and contraindications and those very same people generally hard ignore those without thinking twice.

But for some reason they balk against this far more important one.

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Also the very same people happily and very experimentally would administer ivermectin to themselves because someone on a WhatsApp group said so.

That's misconstruing things a bit. Those drugs do not have unknown side effects. In contrast taking the vaccine is like a lucky packet.

The people on that side of the fence are also far more likely not to take pharmaceutical drugs.

Random question.

Isn’t Ivermectin for use by humans also experimental?

No it has full approval with over 4 billion doses. You're thinking of off label use and yes, while that is experimental it doesn't alter the safety profile.

Why has the Indian government pulled it from the treatment regime then?

Why has the WHO called for protective status even if it's effective against Covid? There are many irrational decisions we don't know the answers to.

 

[SauRoNZA]

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No it has full approval with over 4 billion doses. You're thinking of off label use and yes, while that is experimental it doesn't alter the safety profile.


Why has the WHO called for protective status even if it's effective against Covid? There are many irrational decisions we don't know the answers to.

I can only think it has more immediate complications or harmful effects in the specific use against Covid in the shorter term.

The data and medical opinions do seem to be all over the place.

I mean it’s not impossible that it has a specific efficacy on particular countries for some or other reason over others, like they initially said SA had resistance to Covid due to our longtime TB vaccine use.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Not if it's something you have to take every year.

Yeah that wouldn’t be ideal.

Then again I’m the kind of person who would sign up for replacing all my insides with nano machines tomorrow if it was possible, even if I needed to have an oil change every six months.

 

[JangoFett]

Yeah that wouldn’t be ideal.

Then again I’m the kind of person who would sign up for replacing all my insides with nano machines tomorrow if it was possible, even if I needed to have an oil change every six months.

To each his own.

 

[SauRoNZA]

All in all I can understand people having reservations about it being experimental.

As long as the reasons for not wanting to line up and get the shot has nothing to do with mind control or 5G or some other kak and is based in reasonable caution I can accept that.

Personally the risk of the vaccine is a mere molecule compared to the greater issues of getting Covid in the first place, but also just the quality of life lost overall while perpetually remaining in this state of being.

 

[JangoFett]

All in all I can understand people having reservations about it being experimental.

As long as the reasons for not wanting to line up and get the shot has nothing to do with mind control or 5G or some other kak and is based in reasonable caution I can accept that.

Personally the risk of the vaccine is a mere molecule compared to the greater issues of getting Covid in the first place, but also just the quality of life lost overall while perpetually remaining in this state of being.

It's very easy for propagandists to paint all detractors with the same brush, cherry picking the very worst objections and then making it appear like everybody who objects is objecting for the stupid reason.

 

[SauRoNZA]

It's very easy for propagandists to paint all detractors with the same brush, cherry picking the very worst objections and then making it appear like everybody who objects is objecting for the stupid reason.

It’s not even that I’ve sadly directly experienced exactly those kind of nut jobs.

But yes it does distort one’s view and then brushing everyone the same.

At least the conversation here is logical and reasonable.

 

[JangoFett]

It’s not even that I’ve sadly directly experienced exactly those kind of nut jobs.

But yes it does distort one’s view and then brushing everyone the same.

At least the conversation here is logical and reasonable.

I didn't say that they didn't exist. In your case, once you were provided an explanation, you saw the reasons and were able to accept them. But for every one of you, there's 10 other idiots going around refusing to even listen. Just take a look at the IVM thread for proof of this in action.

 

[SauRoNZA]

I didn't say that they didn't exist. In your case, once you were provided an explanation, you saw the reasons and were able to accept them. But for every one of you, there's 10 other idiots going around refusing to even listen. Just take a look at the IVM thread for proof of this in action.

You’ll have to link me, don’t see anything by that name but could be Tapatalk sucking.

Then again I’m not sure I want to know.

 

[JangoFett]

You’ll have to link me, don’t see anything by that name but could be Tapatalk sucking.

Then again I’m not sure I want to know.

You don't wanna know.

Ivermectin: balance of evidence shows no benefit against Covid-19

Full article: https://www.groundup.org.za/article/ivermectin-flops-largest-trial-yet/ While it’s too soon to say that the drug is useless, it has clearly been overhyped Ivermectin has been touted as the wonder drug solution to the Covid-19 crisis. Several trials have suggested it may have some...

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[SauRoNZA]

You don't wanna know.

Ivermectin: balance of evidence shows no benefit against Covid-19

Full article: https://www.groundup.org.za/article/ivermectin-flops-largest-trial-yet/ While it’s too soon to say that the drug is useless, it has clearly been overhyped Ivermectin has been touted as the wonder drug solution to the Covid-19 crisis. Several trials have suggested it may have some...

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Oh yes I was actually in that one right at the beginning and then bailed as it was just too much.

 

[Swa]

Ok so if your 5yr old child was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes, considering that for the rest of her life she will be injecting herself with insulin 4 times a day. Will have multiple acute admissions to hospital in ketoacidosis. Is likely to develop complications including blindness, renal failure, peripheral vascular disease, cardiovascular disease.
What would you pay for such a medication? One yrs salary, two years, five years?

I don't know. Would depend on what I can afford and if it would make our quality of life better or worse.

The question is can you make more from it than from a continuous treatment? What happens once the patent expires and others start undercutting you to regain a piece of the pie and your cure starts costing as much as the treatment?

I just don't think big pharma not coming up with cures is down to just ability.

 

[Daveogg]

I don't know. Would depend on what I can afford and if it would make our quality of life better or worse.

The question is can you make more from it than from a continuous treatment? What happens once the patent expires and others start undercutting you to regain a piece of the pie and your cure starts costing as much as the treatment?

I just don't think big pharma not coming up with cures is down to just ability.

The simple answer is if you found this cure you would have the most valuable drug known to humanity.

Does insulin still have a valid patent?

 

[JangoFett]

The simple answer is if you found this cure you would have the most valuable drug known to humanity.

Does insulin still have a valid patent?

The absurdly high cost of insulin, explained

Why Americans ration a drug discovered in the 1920s.

www.vox.com

 

[Swa]

The simple answer is if you found this cure you would have the most valuable drug known to humanity.

Does insulin still have a valid patent?

Only for a certain amount of time. You've introduced competition into the market that would eventually make the overall profit less.

Yes and no. Insulin is a natural substance and can't really be patented. Some countries will allow discovered natural substances to be patented. But pharmaceutical companies have made changes to the synthetic versions that are patented and older ones have fallen into disuse.

 

[Geoff.D]

The moment it’s not considered experimental and approved by a government (which most don’t trust) will you be taking it without question?

I will take IVM provided it is prescribed by a doctor if I contract Covid. I know of a doctor that is treating Covid patients with IVM and successfully. I won't be waiting for all this noise about its approval --- it IS already approved for emergency use in SA.

 

[Geoff.D]

Why has the Indian government pulled it from the treatment regime then?

Because the WHO pressurised them to do so. And some states in India just thumbed their nose at the National government ruling as well!

 

[buka001]

IT also begs the question as to why certain big pharma companies moved so quickly to develop "vaccines" for this virus?

Because they were asked by the US government? Operation Warpspeed.

Operation Warp Speed - Wikipedia

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