mRNA Spike protein is very dangerous, it's cytotoxic - says INVENTOR of mRNA Technology

[Dave]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1416188314701475844

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[Geoff.D]

Have you heard of a drug called keytruda?
Answer before you Google it.

Don't know anything about it except it costs a goldmine - for Cancer or Aids is my guess.
Saw it on a list just last week of the most expensive medicines.

 

[Swa]

Have you heard of a drug called keytruda?
Answer before you Google it.

Nope

 

[Daveogg]

Don't know anything about it except it costs a goldmine - for Cancer or Aids is my guess.
Saw it on a list just last week of the most expensive medicines.

Yes technically it's is a immune checkpoint inhibitor. It basically opens a whole new avenue on treating "cancer".
Immunotherapy.
My prediction is in 20 years time chemotherapy radiotherapy will be a rare treatment limited to those who have failed immunotherapies. A targeted personalised mRna vaccine against your specific tumour is also now in the mix.

Yes it costs an inordinate amount of money and the patent has been valued at 200 billion USD. Just like when Motorola developed the first cellular phone, it was not cheaper than that thing we plugged into a wall socket. Clearly the pharmaceutical companies who produce chemotherapeutics and the manufacturer of radiotherapy units will loose out. According to the big pharma conspiracy as expressed by Swa keytruda should have been bought out and shelved to protect chemotherapy profits?

 

[Daveogg]

Want another disruptive technology in healthcare. Ever had an ultrasound? Had to make an appointment at the radiologist? Ultrasound system cost 250-500K. Attached photo is my popliteal artery being ultrasounded on the banks of the orange river two days into an expedition medicine course.

Cost of the ultrasound system about 40K.

Philips must be kicking themselves for not buying out Butterfly IQ, gonna be loosing masses?

 

[Swa]

Yes technically it's is a immune checkpoint inhibitor. It basically opens a whole new avenue on treating "cancer".
Immunotherapy.
My prediction is in 20 years time chemotherapy radiotherapy will be a rare treatment limited to those who have failed immunotherapies. A targeted personalised mRna vaccine against your specific tumour is also now in the mix.

Yes it costs an inordinate amount of money and the patent has been valued at 200 billion USD. Just like when Motorola developed the first cellular phone, it was not cheaper than that thing we plugged into a wall socket. Clearly the pharmaceutical companies who produce chemotherapeutics and the manufacturer of radiotherapy units will loose out. According to the big pharma conspiracy as expressed by Swa keytruda should have been bought out and shelved to protect chemotherapy profits?

Well here is the thing. If it's worth as much as you say it is then it will cost an extraordinary amount of money to buy it out, possibly more than what can be made with existing treatments. We were specifically talking about cures that will cost less money in the long run. From the sound of it this will cost more in the short term. Long term is anyone's guess but it will not make the manufacturer less money than the existing treatments.

So the question remains, why is big pharma in the business of developing mainly expensive treatments rather than researching cures? Like giving millions of people an injection to prevent flu rather than a cheap anti-viral pill that will cure it for the few who have it. It just sounds weird.

 

[Geoff.D]

Want another disruptive technology in healthcare. Ever had an ultrasound? Had to make an appointment at the radiologist? Ultrasound system cost 250-500K. Attached photo is my popliteal artery being ultrasounded on the banks of the orange river two days into an expedition medicine course.

Cost of the ultrasound system about 40K.

Philips must be kicking themselves for not buying out Butterfly IQ, gonna be loosing masses?

Interesting stuff to take on an expedition.
So a couple of bandages, a few splints, some snakebite kits and aspirin is no longer suitable for an expedition?

 

[Daveogg]

Interesting stuff to take on an expedition.
So a couple of bandages, a few splints, some snakebite kits and aspirin is no longer suitable for an expedition?

It's fricken awesome. So this was actually a research project comparing two different tourniquets time to application and success in obstructing blood flow.

Expedition medicine is now a thing and an interest of mine. Ultrasound is totally amazing, I was recently asked why I was spending so much time getting ultrasound skills, the best way to explain is now my stethoscope has eyes. A bit of an overkill on a river expedition but at altitude, ultrasound can be lifesaving in early detection of pulmonary and cerebral (optic nerve sheath diameter) oedema.

 

[Daveogg]

Well here is the thing. If it's worth as much as you say it is then it will cost an extraordinary amount of money to buy it out, possibly more than what can be made with existing treatments. We were specifically talking about cures that will cost less money in the long run. From the sound of it this will cost more in the short term. Long term is anyone's guess but it will not make the manufacturer less money than the existing treatments.

So the question remains, why is big pharma in the business of developing mainly expensive treatments rather than researching cures? Like giving millions of people an injection to prevent flu rather than a cheap anti-viral pill that will cure it for the few who have it. It just sounds weird.

So their is a cheap antiviral it does not work very well and only ?works for influenza A virus.

Pharmaceutical companies operate in the economic system "you" voted in place. Is there a better way? I have not seen too many pharmaceuticals come out of China or Russia or Cuba?

 

[Swa]

You stated that the data is showing the vaccines are being less and less effective then provide this data ?!????????!

Dude, just watch the news. Olympic teams are getting infected. A ship's crew of 9 tests positive for Covid after being vaccinated. Our rugby teams are testing positive with almost a dozen cases. So where is this well over 90% effectiveness initially claimed?

In case you haven’t noticed there’s a massive vacuum in terms of treatment that is clinically proven. The absence exists.

And the correctable for reason for that has also been discussed.

You’re incorrect. You’re obsessed with review requiring time as a wait and see as the only criteria.

I never claimed it's the only criteria so nice straw man. It's a very important criteria which you simply dismiss.

Once again, you stated that serious adverse reactions keep rising - please provide the data you’re using to support this view of yours.

Dude you're wasting my time. I'm through with your inane demands. The data keeps being posted but you mysterious just keep on ignoring it.

 

[Daveogg]

Dude, just watch the news. Olympic teams are getting infected. A ship's crew of 9 tests positive for Covid after being vaccinated. Our rugby teams are testing positive with almost a dozen cases. So where is this well over 90% effectiveness initially claimed?

What was claimed is 90% etc effective against symptomatic infection. The sports teams are being tested in some cases (Olympics) multiple times (3) per day. I don't know the specifics but I am sure many of these are asymptomatic or vey minimally symptomatic.

 

[Swa]

So their is a cheap antiviral it does not work very well and only ?works for influenza A virus.

Pharmaceutical companies operate in the economic system "you" voted in place. Is there a better way? I have not seen too many pharmaceuticals come out of China or Russia or Cuba?

Well you said it yourself, it doesn't work very well.

I didn't say there's a better system. Only that all things being equal from the start pharmaceutical companies will go for the treatment rather than the cure. And more often than not treatment is very expensive in the long term.

What should happen is more independent research but it's very expensive to fund. I dare say more taxes but taxing the pharmaceutical companies like we tax gambling for instance will just increase the cost of medicine more. The money spent on independent research vs for profit is miniscule though so something should be done.

 

[Dave]

Dude, just watch the news. Olympic teams are getting infected. A ship's crew of 9 tests positive for Covid after being vaccinated. Our rugby teams are testing positive with almost a dozen cases. So where is this well over 90% effectiveness initially claimed?

Out of interest, how many of those you mention are on ventilators now?

 

[Geoff.D]

It's fricken awesome. So this was actually a research project comparing two different tourniquets time to application and success in obstructing blood flow.

Expedition medicine is now a thing and an interest of mine. Ultrasound is totally amazing, I was recently asked why I was spending so much time getting ultrasound skills, the best way to explain is now my stethoscope has eyes. A bit of an overkill on a river expedition but at altitude, ultrasound can be lifesaving in early detection of pulmonary and cerebral (optic nerve sheath diameter) oedema.

I have never been into mountaineering. - Don't like heights. Strange for a microwave engineer who had to climb 200 ft masts, but there you have it. The highest I have been is Killi and Mt Kenya. That was enough. Saw how silly people behave on both.
I thought tourniquets were taboo these days? Must have been hallucinating. Have only had to use the technique once though. Love new technology applications such as this. Gonna put exploratory surgery out of business one day I think.

 

[Swa]

What was claimed is 90% etc effective against symptomatic infection. The sports teams are being tested in some cases (Olympics) multiple times (3) per day. I don't know the specifics but I am sure many of these are asymptomatic or vey minimally symptomatic.

The initial claims about the efficacy of the various vaccines. And what about the ship's crew? I don't really care why and how they are tested and what their symptoms are. The fact is it's still spreading among vaccinated like there is no barrier. That is not consistent with the initial efficacy claims from the clinical trials.

 

[Swa]

Out of interest, how many of those you mention are on ventilators now?

How many people of the general population are on ventilators? It's a meaningless figure without context.

 

[Geoff.D]

I have not seen too many pharmaceuticals come out of China or Russia or Cuba?

Hence why the super suspicion around them suddenly claiming to be able develop vaccines on the fly.
China still believes in Rhino horn and lion and tiger bones.

 

[Swa]

I have never been into mountaineering. - Don't like heights. Strange for a microwave engineer who had to climb 200 ft masts, but there you have it. The highest I have been is Killi and Mt Kenya. That was enough. Saw how silly people behave on both.
I thought tourniquets were taboo these days? Must have been hallucinating. Have only had to use the technique once though. Love new technology applications such as this. Gonna put exploratory surgery out of business one day I think.

LOL. You echo something I have heard a lot. I've heard from photographers who don't take pictures on vacation. Because it's their work they don't feel like doing it while on vacation as well.

 

[Dave]

How many people of the general population are on ventilators? It's a meaningless figure without context.

No, you were referring to a group of vaccinated people and holding it as an example, any attempt to use whataboutism is just deflection.

How many of those vaccinated people who tested positive require treatment in icu/hospital?

 

[Swa]

No, you were referring to a group of vaccinated people and holding it as an example, any attempt to use whataboutism is just deflection.

How many of those vaccinated people who tested positive require treatment in icu/hospital?

You are deflecting. Also it's not "whataboutism" to point out that a situation isn't as simple as a single number.