mRNA Spike protein is very dangerous, it's cytotoxic - says INVENTOR of mRNA Technology

[Hush9300]

Rather stable? We had at least two or three variants appear before vaccination programs started. If I'm correct there are currently five mutations running around, and that's in just over a year and a half? In total, these five variants alone have been attributed to the death of over 4 million people. According to your idea we should just let this virus carry on and cross our fingers and hope it doesn't mutate into something even worse on its own. That doesn't seem like a good plan.



What do you classify as elderly? Because in pure numbers, a lot of "young" people have gotten sick, some even requiring hospitalisation, even if they haven't died.

Hospitalizations and deaths of younger people soar due to COVID-19, PAHO Director reports - PAHO/WHO | Pan American Health Organization

Countries will need to maintain or increase ICU bed capacity even further if infections continue to rise at current rates. In the past week, nearly 40% of all global COVID-19 deaths took place in the Americas. Washington, D.C. May 5, 2021 (PAHO) – Hospitalizations and deaths of younger people...

www3.paho.org

Others have reported how some who are elderly have barely had a sniffle while others who are younger who were healthy died within days.

I guess my point is it's easy to say "carry on, you'll be fine because you're young/fit/healthy" until you're one of the "not at risk" people who ends up in the ICU, dead, or suffering from the many non-lethal side effects of Covid.

Good grief. The virus is not more virulent (causes more severe disease) it has become more transmissible (more contagious). It is quite frankly ridiculous that there are people who thought and still think we’d get out of a pandemic without deaths.

And yes, likelihood of severe disease and death increases exponentially with age and comorbidities. This is fact and not conjecture.

Vaccine or not… You’re not saving every life. To expect that is wholly unreasonable.

 

[Dave]

No response from you. Speaks volumes, all you have are insults. Speaks volumes.

I give up trying to explain facts to you, you are incapable of understanding.


I shall now use pictures

 

[buka001]

I give up trying to explain facts to you, you are incapable of understanding.


I shall now use pictures

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I like this picture, a cartoon from the 1930's. It shows how much has changed and how as a society we have progressed.

 

[Swa]

The vaccines developed were originally designed for a specific variant however despite this have suitability for the new variants to varying degrees due to the targeting of the spike protein. You keep harping on about due process and safety so I'm sure you can appreciate why pharma wouldn't want to go reinvent the wheel if the efficacy still exists even if to a lesser degree specifically if those who are infected are a) less serious b) less dead.

Yet some are contraindicated in some countries, wonder why.

The sample size you're referring to is insignificant? There have been hundreds of millions of people who have not been infected. You have a billion people fully vaccinated. Take 10% for breakthrough - show me the data.

There have been millions so far getting infected. There have also been hundreds of billions not getting infected before the vaccines so what's your point?

Errr. You have been going on about 2.5years for ages - I am dismissive as you have to provide reason for why it's important. Have you considered that trials take long not because it's a wait and see tactic?

Have you considered that trials take long because there's a wait and see criteria? Yet we ignored that part.

Lol. Perhaps you should consider that making statements that serious adverse reactions are increasing without data to back it up isn't ideal.

Perhaps you missed the growing list of side effects and contraindications. I believe Guillain-Barre is the latest one.

Your "superior" knowledge is showing again.

I think you're conflating contributions to mRNA research with the creation of a vaccine.

Ok so answer this, would you be getting your jab of mRNA if he didn't do any work on it?

So when your saint was asked, he said, in his own words, he was not the inventor, how do you conclude he was?

Ever thought the pressure was getting too much so he just gave in?

Dude stop convincing people the Vaccine is safe... the bloody ques are long enough

Let Darwin sort em out.

Your statement would be very ironic if it turns out more people die from the vaccines than from Covid.

Nope, in this case posting fake stories relating to covid is illegal in SA under the covid regulations, you are making @rpm and the forum complicit as they have allowed you and your fake news stories to stand even after being made aware of them.

If it was declared illegal tomorrow to post anything negative about a president or former president would you agree with it and support it? Wait don't answer, you already painted yourself as a conformist so no need to be a hypocrite as well.

 

[SoldierMan]

I give up trying to explain facts to you, you are incapable of understanding.


I shall now use pictures

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Ok, Brown Shirt, who now has zero response to all the info I just put out.

From big mouth to little Dave with nothing to say, and now resorting to pictures. Cute.

 

[SoldierMan]

Some anecdotal evidence, from the UK.

My section of works has circa 50 staff. We have all been vaccinated. Most with 2 vaccines.

No adverse reactions.

Oh and I know 4 people who died from COVID. One of them 2 weeks ago. He was 37. All 4 of them unvaccinated.

Which vaccines, J&J or Pfizer?

 

[Dave]

Ok, Brown Shirt, who now has zero response to all the info I just out out.

Your “information” was rebutted by a number of posters, you just ignore the rebuttal and plough on, like a brain dead ox taking its last steps.

You don’t seem capable of rational thought.

 

[Dave]

Which vaccines, J&J or Pfizer?

If you paid attention you’d know it is likely to be AstraZeneca and Pfizer.

 

[Swa]

This is a common misconception.

If you go look at the pipelines of pharma companies, you will find it being very varied with drug candidates from almost all the different therapeutic categories. (If we're talking about the general "Big pharma", not super specialised companies like Lundbeck that does psychiatry only, or Amgen that does therapeutic proteins only).

There has been a marked shift however in the research focus of drug companies from treatment based to preventative medicine in the past 20 or so years. And the reason behind it mainly being that it makes medical sense (it's much better to not get ill in the first place than to try and fix it after it happens), but also driven by the numbers.

You can't justify to shareholders spending $2-4b to develop a drug that only a handful of patients need, or spending development costs on drugs where the potential patient pool keeps shrinking. This is why there haven't been major advancements in antibiotics like we have seen in previous decades. The development costs are so high for new drugs now, that researching something that a patient takes only once and are then "cured" means you effectively eliminate you own revenue stream. This is a consequence of pharma companies being privately owned (meaning not state owned) and therefore profit driven entities. Would you willingly spend $2b of your own money, knowing you can only hope to get $1b in return?

Which is where biologics, biological DMARDS and vaccines come in, where a lot of the current research is focused.

The cheap antiviral are mainly used for people that have already been infected, and only aims to prevent viral exacerbations or flares like with shingles, and not prevent infection. The amount of research being done to prevent H. influenza transmission is massive, with many many companies committing big resources behind it. It's just proven to be very difficult and elusive to find something that is effective this year, but will also continue to be effective.

But the ones they end up focusing on are the ones with best potential for making money and more often than not those are also treatments rather than cures. You bring up a good one, prophylaxis. Vaccines have been a major money spinner for big pharma. I think you hit the nail on the head. Big pharma is profit driven for a reason so wouldn't do anything that can cause it to earn less money. It's not an indictment but just the way things are. The best way to fight back is old adage buyer beware.

There's plenty of examples the world over, but let's make it practical.

Why do we not let drunk people drive on the roads? Because it's dangerous for themselves and other road users. It's censorship by sobriety if you will.

Why do we only allow people with licenses to practice medicine? Law? Drive on the road? It's to protect people from themselves and others with regards to them making mistakes and /or uninformed decisions with potentially hazardous outcomes. Censorship by competency if you will.

Information in this day and age is extremely powerful. The power of the pen is mightier than the sword and all that. One can argue that the person with a wide audience or following can be much more influential or damaging than a single person with a gun, and yet people are allowed to use social media and the internet without any restriction, but to own a gun you must show competency and have a license. Just as what information can be used for good, so too can it be used in extremely harmful ways. The incitement of looting this week by a handful of people is a very good example.

And before anyone calls me any names, I am not advocating for censorship in general that prevents people from expressing their opinion. But I am most certainly against people spreading false information knowingly or unknowingly, that can have severe consequences. Even more so against people purposefully spreading harmful information.

Many in this and other threads have cried about Youtube removing content from known conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers, calling it censorship. It's not censorship, your not preventing that person from having his opinion, your just preventing him from using said platform to cause harm. Should we allow the Taliban to put videos on Youtube that teaches kids how to make bombs? Isn't that censorship too?

People are very quick on the "censorship is bad" bandwagon, but we do it all the time in many different forms, all the time. And people are fine with it, because they understand the relevance and need for it. Nobody is crying out "my body, my rules" when you tell a 14 year old that they can't buy alcohol. They understand why it's necessary.

Those are not comparable examples and don't fall under censorship. In fact we put big emphasis on freedom of expression such so that one country even has it enshrined in its constitution. This goes way beyond just removing known fake news. It's people unqualified being in charge to curate what information is correct and what isn't. Qualified doctors and researchers are having their voices silenced whether you want to admit it or not.

 

[zolly]

Good grief. The virus is not more virulent (causes more severe disease) it has become more transmissible (more contagious).

So more contagious = faster spread = able to get to those who are vulnerable to the disease more quickly yes? While the disease it causes (edit for typo) may not itself be more deadly, it can spread faster and therefore kill more people before we can properly protect ourselves against it. And death aside, COVID-19 still have some side effects that I would rather avoid if possible thanks.

COVID-19 and Your Health

Symptoms, testing, what to do if sick, daily activities, and more.

www.cdc.gov

It is quite frankly ridiculous that there are people who thought and still think we’d get out of a pandemic without deaths.

And yes, likelihood of severe disease and death increases exponentially with age and comorbidities. This is fact and not conjecture.

Vaccine or not… You’re not saving every life. To expect that is wholly unreasonable.

Shifting goalposts. It's about minimising damage, which includes deaths. I never said anything about saving everyone. Go back and read my post properly.

 

[quovadis]

Ok so answer this, would you be getting your jab of mRNA if he didn't do any work on it?

Yes.

Yet some are contraindicated in some countries, wonder why.

What has this got to do with your assertion regarding vaccine breakthrough?

There have been millions so far getting infected. There have also been hundreds of billions not getting infected before the vaccines so what's your point?

I think you've lost your train of thought.

Perhaps you missed the growing list of side effects and contraindications. I believe Guillain-Barre is the latest one.

Natural occurance is 7 - 17 per million of population. 11 cases to date from 1 billion vaccinated.

 

[buka001]

Which vaccines, J&J or Pfizer?

A mix of Pfizer and Astrazeneca

 

[SoldierMan]

Your “information” was rebutted by a number of posters, you just ignore the rebuttal and plough on, like a brain dead ox taking its last steps.

You don’t seem capable of rational thought.

No it wasn't, they said something about animals and quickly moved on. No rebuttal whatsoever.

 

[Swa]

It's not about the vaccine or Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine - it's political that's why it's impossible to make sense. You are dealing with a cult.

Says the one from the main cult of just take whatever is given by big pharma and don't question. Quite ironic hey?

Rather stable? We had at least two or three variants appear before vaccination programs started. If I'm correct there are currently five mutations running around, and that's in just over a year and a half? In total, these five variants alone have been attributed to the death of over 4 million people. According to your idea we should just let this virus carry on and cross our fingers and hope it doesn't mutate into something even worse on its own. That doesn't seem like a good plan.

The latest most worrying one only came to light after vaccinations were started.

Statistically speaking, if you have a sample of 3 Billion, even if you had 0.1% of a error rate, you would be seeing 3 million people suffering severe side effects.

But we haven't.

This is why it is significant.

Mice can be cut open and examined. When did you last do an autopsy on a living person? You people like making absolute statements about things that quite simply cannot be known at this time and then hand wave and scream about absence of evidence being evidence of absence.

You know what ALS is? It's a form of the disease that Joost had. It gets progressively worse over the years. In the first few years you don't even know you have the disease until you start noticing symptoms of something. You and quoflounders wanted to know what possible complications there can be for which you need to wait. Well here is just one of a whole legion of possible adverse effects that won't show up right now. But keep burying your useless heads in the sand to be a conformist.

 

[Swa]

Yes.

What has this got to do with your assertion regarding vaccine breakthrough?

What did your question have to do with vaccine breakthrough? Breakthrough is something that occurs in ALL vaccines whether you like it or not and instead of going back and figuring out why it gets blamed on the unvaccinated based on nothing but theory and explanations. Science works on experiment!

I think you've lost your train of thought.

I don't think you know what the train of thought was to start with, why you keep on derailing it.

Natural occurance is 7 - 17 per million of population. 11 cases to date from 1 billion vaccinated.

Whoosh!

 

[Swa]

In case anyone was wondering about the missing posts, I reported them as they were nothing but attempts to derail and admitted as such. That seems to be the standard MO in order to try and censor discussion around the topic.

 

[buka001]

Says the one from the main cult of just take whatever is given by big pharma and don't question. Quite ironic hey?


The latest most worrying one only came to light after vaccinations were started.


Mice can be cut open and examined. When did you last do an autopsy on a living person? You people like making absolute statements about things that quite simply cannot be known at this time and then hand wave and scream about absence of evidence being evidence of absence.

You know what ALS is? It's a form of the disease that Joost had. It gets progressively worse over the years. In the first few years you don't even know you have the disease until you start noticing symptoms of something. You and quoflounders wanted to know what possible complications there can be for which you need to wait. Well here is just one of a whole legion of possible adverse effects that won't show up right now. But keep burying your useless heads in the sand to be a conformist.

Please provide a link between ALS and the vaccine, with data.

Otherwise you are just making up useless comparisons.

 

[DA-LION-619]

In case anyone was wondering about the missing posts, I reported them as they were nothing but attempts to derail and admitted as such. That seems to be the standard MO in order to try and censor discussion around the topic.

The topic being if my rat has Covid here’s a leaked report?

 

[Chris_SA]

In case anyone was wondering about the missing posts, I reported them as they were nothing but attempts to derail and admitted as such. That seems to be the standard MO in order to try and censor discussion around the topic.

Mybb is giving a platform for spreading fake news, if the mods won't do their jobs then we have no choice.

We love a good DISCUSSION, not clickbait BS claims to further cloud judgment of people who only read Facebook news feeds, like our 16 year old friend Soldierboytjie...

 

[quovadis]

What did your question have to do with vaccine breakthrough? Breakthrough is something that occurs in ALL vaccines whether you like it or not and instead of going back and figuring out why it gets blamed on the unvaccinated based on nothing but theory and explanations. Science works on experiment!


I don't think you know what the train of thought was to start with, why you keep on derailing it.


Whoosh!

Perhaps reread the thread and you’ll figure it out. As for Malone there was parallel research which achieved the same which is why he is so obsessed with correcting submission dates.