mRNA Spike protein is very dangerous, it's cytotoxic - says INVENTOR of mRNA Technology

[Geoff.D]

Who said that we are 100% sure that there are no long term adverse reactions from the vaccine? Nobody.

He said there are no adverse reactions detected until NOW.

But if you look at how these mRNA vaccines work, it becomes very obvious that the likelihood of there being long term reactions is basically non-existent.

This is because unlike traditional medicine that you take every day for years, your body breaks the vaccine down in about 3 days. The spike proteins that are produced during that time last as long as it takes for your body to make antibodies. And that's it. There is no vaccine left in your body to cause any kind of reaction in the future.

Ah starting to backtrack are you?
My point was that all should stop making absolute statements. We require at least 5 years to pass before a ruling can be made regarding adverse reactions to the mRNA vaccines.

 

[zolly]

Your analogy doesn't contain a causal link between the meteorite strike and any other event.

It's really not implausible that there are long term effects from the vaccines that we are not yet familiar with because there hasn't been enough time for the effects to become apparent. Novel medicines usually remain in the testing stages for half a decade precisely for this reason.

There are long term effects for everything, many of which people are simply not aware of yet.

My argument is that the known benefits at this point outweigh any of the unknown risks.

 

[Geoff.D]

So CFR per variant is only calculated amongst unvaccinated individuals?

As soon as vaccinations start taking hold, you are no longer able to make apples for apples comparisons and will have to factor in the effect of vaccinations.

 

[JangoFett]

There are long term effects for everything, many of which people are simply not aware of yet.

My argument is that the known benefits at this point outweigh any of the unknown risks.

But you don't can't know that.

 

[Geoff.D]

There are long term effects for everything, many of which people are simply not aware of yet.

My argument is that the known benefits at this point outweigh any of the unknown risks.

Appear to outweigh unknown risks.

 

[Hush9300]

So CFR per variant is only calculated amongst unvaccinated individuals?

Nope. All cases are included.

 

[quovadis]

See South Africa's deaths as opposed to cases. The Delta variant again appears significantly less deadly in a largely unvaccinated population.

Yet the ratio of cases to deaths across Delta-dominant countries which have unvaccinated populations is significantly more noticeable. The UK daily average is approx. 1 death for every 1200 cases. Indonesia's daily average is approx. 1 death for every 50 cases. South Africa's daily average is 1 death for every 60 cases.

 

[Hush9300]

Aaah so its unscientific, self formed claim, gotcha

Lol. Says the guy that started by posting a useless graph with no case details...

Come on man. Do better. Have a look at the Public Health England data and then make your argument.

 

[JangoFett]

Who said that we are 100% sure that there are no long term adverse reactions from the vaccine? Nobody.

It's implicit in the demand that evidence be provided of adverse reactions or those concerns can be dismissed out of hand.

He said there are no adverse reactions detected until NOW.

Which means nothing.

But if you look at how these mRNA vaccines work, it becomes very obvious that the likelihood of there being long term reactions is basically non-existent.

If we could simply look at how things work to judge what side-effects there would be from a theoretical standpoint, there'd be no need for clinical trials.

This is because unlike traditional medicine that you take every day for years, your body breaks the vaccine down in about 3 days. The spike proteins that are produced during that time last as long as it takes for your body to make antibodies. And that's it. There is no vaccine left in your body to cause any kind of reaction in the future.

Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines

Learn how mRNA vaccines trigger an immune response against COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

mRNA vaccines are a new type of vaccine to protect against infectious diseases. To trigger an immune response, many vaccines put a weakened or inactivated germ into our bodies. Not mRNA vaccines. Instead, they teach our cells how to make a protein—or even just a piece of a protein—that triggers an immune response inside our bodies. That immune response, which produces antibodies, is what protects us from getting infected if the real virus enters our bodies.

There's no reason to believe that the reprogrammed cells ever stop making the protein in question...

 

[tetrasect]

You're so right hey... Lets have a look.

See South Africa's deaths as opposed to cases. The Delta variant again appears significantly less deadly in a largely unvaccinated population.

Edit: Added the Public Health England Technical Briefing

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1001358/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_18.pdf

Yeah sure... SA and UK are exactly the same...

 

[Geoff.D]

There are long term effects for everything, many of which people are simply not aware of yet.

My argument is that the known benefits at this point outweigh any of the unknown risks.

Appear to outweigh unknown risks.

 

[Mystic Twilight]

The variant itself, because the case fatality rates per variant are measured over the same period.

I just want to point out that your sentence has some faulty logic, that's like saying because a new model of a gun has less fatalities than an older model over the same period, the new gun is less deadly (when both are equally deadly). There are a lot of other factors involved, which cannot be controlled in order to therefore have a controlled environment to compare against.

Note that I can't say whether one or the other is deadlier, but case fatality numbers is just one aspect amongst a lot of other factors for determination.

 

[AlphaJohn]

Lol. Says the guy that started by posting a useless graph with no case details...

Come on man. Do better. Have a look at the Public Health England data and then make your argument.

Dude, reason I asked for a source is cause all of the articles I have seen says its the same, no one claim its more or less deadly. More transmissible yes, More/less deadly.... no idea.

Besides I just posted that a graph I saw today dealing with Delta that seems to show it is still killing way more un vaccinated people than vaccinated UK you refute, so cant be that much less deadly to account for that size deviation on UK graph.

Anyway to each their own I guess... till we get actual studies.

 

[tetrasect]

Ah starting to backtrack are you?
My point was that all should stop making absolute statements. We require at least 5 years to pass before a ruling can be made regarding adverse reactions to the mRNA vaccines.

What I'm saying is that the vaccine only has 3 days to trigger such a reaction. If 5 years down the line we find some adverse reaction it would be a massive ****up because the reaction would have started when the vaccine was administered and we would have missed it for 5 whole years.

This is not like normal medicine that we take every day!

It's implicit in the demand that evidence be provided of adverse reactions or those concerns can be dismissed out of hand.


Which means nothing.


If we could simply look at how things work to judge what side-effects there would be from a theoretical standpoint, there'd be no need for clinical trials.

Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines

Learn how mRNA vaccines trigger an immune response against COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

There's no reason to believe that the reprogrammed cells ever stop making the protein in question...

That text is inaccurate. It is meant for the common person to better understand how it works, but isn't an accurate explanation. The mRNA doesn't "teach our cells how to make a protein", it "commands" them to make the protein by signaling the recipe. Once the mRNA is gone, there is nothing sending the the recipe or the signal to produce the proteins. Cells don't magically become mRNA and mRNA does not replicate itself.

 

[Hush9300]

Yet the ratio of cases to deaths across Delta-dominant countries which have unvaccinated populations is significantly more noticeable. The UK daily average is approx. 1 death for every 1200 cases. Indonesia's daily average is approx. 1 death for every 50 cases. South Africa's daily average is 1 death for every 60 cases.

Delta is not dominant in the UK. As far as I can tell it is about a 50/50 split between Alpha and Delta yet the since 1 Feb 2021 Alpha has resulted in 4250 deaths of 225,000 cases whereas the Delta variant has resulted in 260 deaths out of 170,000 cases over the same period and same population.

 

[AlphaJohn]

Delta is not dominant in the UK. As far as I can tell it is about a 50/50 split between Alpha and Delta yet the since 1 Feb 2021 Alpha has resulted in 4250 deaths of 225,000 cases whereas the Delta variant has resulted in 260 deaths out of 170,000 cases over the same period and same population.

Nobody in UK got Vaccines, variance is Delta... got it

 

[SlinkyMike]

More calls for deplatforming and censoring. Disgusting.

-Play the ball, not the man.
If you don't want to play either, ignore him then. The constant call for daddy to censor/deplatform/ban people is some dystopian ****.

It is interesting how we are in a discussion about the pandemic but you're in here spurting right wing talking points. Just shows the degree to which this discussion is run by bad actors - you don't care about spike proteins or Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine or even dead old folks.
What you care about beating reality into a shape you can cope with because the real world is a frightening thing to small minded people.

Society has deplatformed and censored dangerous nutjobs since time immemorial. The right wing narrative is that this is something new to be outraged about, but it aint.

There is no need to democratically provide platforms to grifters, menaces and cretins who rail against the public good.

The real dystopia is the perversion of the internet into a means of profiting off of mass hysteria via conspiracy theories and misinformation. The net was supposed to be the great equaliser, the thing that would put creative tools within the reach of everyone, a means or recording and cataloguing all of scientific endeavour for all of humanity... look at what we have allowed it to become.

 

[AlphaJohn]

The real dystopia is the perversion of the internet into a means of profiting off of mass hysteria via conspiracy theories and misinformation. The net was supposed to be the great equaliser, the thing that would put creative tools within the reach of everyone, a means or recording and cataloguing all of scientific endeavour for all of humanity... look at what we have allowed it to become.

Dude I have news for you

 

[JangoFett]

What I'm saying is that the vaccine only has 3 days to trigger such a reaction. If 5 years down the line we find some adverse reaction it would be a massive ****up because the reaction would have started when the vaccine was administered and we would have missed it for 5 whole years.

This is not like normal medicine that we take every day!



That text is inaccurate. It is meant for the common person to better understand how it works, but isn't an accurate explanation. The mRNA doesn't "teach our cells how to make a protein", it "commands" them to make the protein by signaling the recipe. Once the mRNA is gone, there is nothing sending the the recipe or the signal to produce the proteins. Cells don't magically become mRNA and mRNA does not replicate itself.

Divorcing the spike protein from the virus that comes with it is a great way to train the immune system to go after everything that has the spike protein, which could include substances the body naturally produces, leading to long term consequences that aren't immediately apparent.

 

[SoldierMan]

There are long term effects for everything, many of which people are simply not aware of yet.

My argument is that the known benefits at this point outweigh any of the unknown risks.

What??? How could you possibly know any of the UNKNOWN risks???

Surely you know what that word means.