Mthethwa asks SA Rugby to take action after eight players refuse to bend the knee in support of BLM in England

[boramk]

So police get the wrong house and execute a no knock warrant against a woman who once dated a drug dealer. When her current boyfriend tries to defend himself against people he thinks are intruders they shoot and kill a her in her own home...

And you have no problem with any of that?

Well what I always do is see what colour the victim is before I selectively decide how I feel about what happened.

White: This an outrage, the police had no right to just break down a door without forewarning and NOT expect resistance if the person at home was armed
Black: there has to be a reason, because of the higher incidences of crime amongst black people it is expected that this may happen and the cops needed to protect themselves. Also she dated a drug dealer so I must judge her character

- Most of this Forum and Trump America

 

[Brenden_E]

So police get the wrong house and execute a no knock warrant against a woman who once dated a drug dealer. When her current boyfriend tries to defend himself against people he thinks are intruders they shoot and kill a her in her own home...

And you have no problem with any of that?

They didn't get the wrong house. Read the story again.
Maybe it's just me, but I won't go *bang bang* at uniformed police officers.

 

[Brenden_E]

Nobody disputed the growth figures. Nobody disputed the GDP numbers. I'm literally telling you that you are using things incorrectly

- GDP growth rate =/= GDP growth rate per capita
- India is growing faster than the US is a fact

This is how bad at math you are, you are so hung up on the absolute $ figure you can't even comprehend how compounded growth looks like even from a low base, let alone the fact that Economists DON'T say "The US has a higher growth rate because it added more in $ terms".

Imagine trying to tell someone with a degree in something that you know more than them in that subject matter? This is why you are stupid af. And you don't back down from people that actually have knowledge in what they are talking about, you just keep digging your hole.

More deflection, so let me just help you a bit. You claimed the Indian is better off than the American because they have a higher growth rate.

Substantiate how the Indian is better off with$100 more per year than the American with$1800 more. It's really not that hard to see why I quoted GDP per capita, fool.

Using a degree as a crutch for your failing logic ain't helping.

 

[boramk]

More deflection, so let me just help you a bit. You claimed the Indian is better off than the American because they have a higher growth rate.

You're such a moron it stings... How is the average Indian better off than the average American by any standard? Who claimed this? I think you are arguing against a phantom. You just make arguments for them and say I said it

India has a higher growth rate than America. This is just a fact, I already pointed out why. No need to tread there again.

Substantiate how the Indian is better off with$100 more per year than the American with$1800 more. It's really not that hard to see why I quoted GDP per capita, fool.

You....you do know that's not what GDP per capita means right? An Indian isn't getting $100 one year vs an American getting $1,800. Nevermind the fact that I never said $100 is better than $1,800.... Again you're just making up stuff.

You also know that you can adjust GDP on a purchasing power parity basis as opposed to what you are showing which is just nominal if you wanted to show more equitable comparisons. In which any case, the economy of India is still growing faster than the US regardless of your feelings and total misunderstanding of what the f-- you're talking about..

Using a degree as a crutch for your failing logic ain't helping.

Yeah apparently you are so mentally inept that gives you the ability to have no shame. I'm literally pointing out the premise of what you are saying is wrong and you keep doubling down.

 

[Brenden_E]

You're such a moron it stings... How is the average Indian better off than the average American by any standard? Who claimed this? I think you are arguing against a phantom. You just make arguments for them and say I said it

India has a higher growth rate than America. This is just a fact, I already pointed out why. No need to tread there again.



You....you do know that's not what GDP per capita means right? An Indian isn't getting $100 one year vs an American getting $1,800. Nevermind the fact that I never said $100 is better than $1,800.... Again you're just making up stuff.

You also know that you can adjust GDP on a purchasing power parity basis as opposed to what you are showing which is just nominal if you wanted to show more equitable comparisons. In which any case, the economy of India is still growing faster than the US regardless of your feelings and total misunderstanding of what the f-- you're talking about..



Yeah apparently you are so mentally inept that gives you the ability to have no shame. I'm literally pointing out the premise of what you are saying is wrong and you keep doubling down.

You claimed low economic growth leads to violence (no evidence). I stated India is poorer than the USA without the violence (with evidence).

You then claimed

India, as an outlier has high economic growth so there's consistently growing opportunities for the populace.

In context, what does that mean? The average Indian is clearly worse off than the average American. Now you conceded that fact. So your claim that India is an outlier because of their growth is patently false. Why does India have less violence then?

Obviously, because of culture. BOOOM!

 

[Cray]

They didn't get the wrong house. Read the story again.

Two people without criminal records and no connection to drugs... ? Just because the warrant included their home doesn't mean they acted correctly.

Maybe it's just me, but I won't go *bang bang* at uniformed police officers.

So a bunch of people bursting into your house after midnight in the dark and you think the officers would be clearly identifiable? From the wikipedia article...

Walker said in his police interrogation that Taylor yelled multiple times, "Who is it?" after hearing a loud bang at the door, but received no answer, and that he then armed himself. Walker, a licensed firearm carrier, shot first, striking a police officer in the leg; in response, the officers opened fire with more than 20 rounds, hitting objects in the living room, dining room, kitchen, hallway, bathroom, and both bedrooms.

So they fired rounds into all those places and you still think they acted calmly and professionally, knowing that the killed an innocent person with no criminal record who just had her home broken into after midnight?

 

[boramk]

You claimed low economic growth leads to violence (no evidence).

Buddy I can point you to entire continents let alone countries that prove this point.

I stated India is poorer than the USA without the violence (with evidence).

Yeah but we were talking about crime. Violence is a type of crime, good job.
Tomato's are a type of fruit. If I'm having a discussion about how sweet fruits are and your ass keeps chiming in saying why am I talking about Tomato's are sweet....

You then claimed

In context, what does that mean? The average Indian is clearly worse off than the average American. Now you conceded that fact. So your claim that India is an outlier because of their growth is patently false. Why does India have less violence then?

Brenden, you do see the problem here right? I'm glad you quoted what I said.

India, as an outlier has high economic growth so there's consistently growing opportunities for the populace.

India has a high petty crime rate that is expected of poor countries. The high growth rate means that there's constantly more jobs and opportunities increasing in India than America. More and more Indians are leaving poverty every year than some populations of whole states in the US. You see one of the many issues with what you kept bringing up was the absolute $ term - which was also nominally shown as well, doesn't even adjust for living costs.
India.

Here man: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_real_GDP_growth_rate

Just take a look at that, do you see the US anywhere at the top?

But I'm done with ya though. If this doesn't make sense to you, then it never will.

 

[Brenden_E]

Two people without criminal records and no connection to drugs... ? Just because the warrant included their home doesn't mean they acted correctly.


So a bunch of people bursting into your house after midnight in the dark and you think the officers would be clearly identifiable? From the wikipedia article...



So they fired rounds into all those places and you still think they acted calmly and professionally, knowing that the killed an innocent person with no criminal record who just had her home broken into after midnight?

You're hella confused. No one claims what happened is desirable.
However, Taylor had a very clear connection to drugs that's how they got a warrant.

Louisville police stated that they announced themselves while entering the home after knocking several times and saying they were Louisville police officers with a search warrant.

He said, she said. The police should not have shot blindly back, but it's totally understandable if someone starts blasting at you. That police officer was fired.

To use this case as an example, in fact as THE use-case, of police brutality against black people shows how desperate they are to make this narrative stick.

 

[boramk]

So a bunch of people bursting into your house after midnight in the dark and you think the officers would be clearly identifiable?

It's not even that, it's actually illegal to come into a home without a warrant. If police want to come in, they have to knock.

But whatever it's just a black person.

 

[Brenden_E]

Buddy I can point you to entire continents let alone countries that prove this point.



Yeah but we were talking about crime. Violence is a type of crime, good job.
Tomato's are a type of fruit. If I'm having a discussion about how sweet fruits are and your ass keeps chiming in saying why am I talking about Tomato's are sweet....


Brenden, you do see the problem here right? I'm glad you quoted what I said.

India, as an outlier has high economic growth so there's consistently growing opportunities for the populace.

India has a high petty crime rate that is expected of poor countries. The high growth rate means that there's constantly more jobs and opportunities increasing in India than America. More and more Indians are leaving poverty every year than some populations of whole states in the US. You see one of the many issues with what you kept bringing up was the absolute $ term - which was also nominally shown as well, doesn't even adjust for living costs.
India.

Here man: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_real_GDP_growth_rate

Just take a look at that, do you see the US anywhere at the top?

But I'm done with ya though. If this doesn't make sense to you, then it never will.

Crime is not violence, holy hell man. You are totally SJW deluded.


*Someone snatches your wallet*
VIOLENCE!

*Someone steals an apple*
VIOLENCE!

Get outta 'ere.

 

[Brenden_E]

It's not even that, it's actually illegal to come into a home without a warrant. If police want to come in, they have to knock.

But whatever it's just a black person.

They had a warrant, stated multiple times in this conversation alone. This is your story that you quoted and you don't even know the basic facts.

 

[Tokolotshe]

My friend, ...

You're such a moron it stings...

Well, that went south. Does this mean @Brenden_E is no longer on your Christmas card list?

 

[boramk]

They had a warrant, stated multiple times in this conversation alone. This is your story that you quoted and you don't even know the basic facts.

Holy crap dude read - I was responding to his answer from YOUR quote.

Maybe it's just me, but I won't go *bang bang* at uniformed police officers.

You have to go *bang bang* as a uniformed police officer. That's the law here.

 

[boramk]

Crime is not violence, holy hell man. You are totally SJW deluded.


*Someone snatches your wallet*
VIOLENCE!

*Someone steals an apple*
VIOLENCE!

Get outta 'ere.

You're like a drug man, I can't help but to come back..

You are soo lacking in the head department - that's exactly what I said! You lack critical comprehensions skills my man. It's honestly so shocking. You are the one who bringing up violence when I'm taking about crime.

I gave you an analogy about fruit to explain your constant talking point about crime, I don't know how to dumb this down more for you

 

[Brenden_E]

Holy crap dude read - I was responding to his answer from YOUR quote.

Maybe it's just me, but I won't go *bang bang* at uniformed police officers.

You have to go *bang bang* as a uniformed police officer. That's the law here.

What about my quote suggested there's no warrant?
The police knocked, they had a warrant to search the place. The guy in the house shot at them first.

I don't even know what you are on about. I doubt you know what you are on about.

 

[The Trutherizer]

Pff.. They so full of s**t. The F do they want people to kneel for anyway? Kneeling is an act of subservience or begging. It's a tiny step up from prostrating. You kneel to your future wife, and to your king/queen(thanks F most of those are gone), or your god (if you have one). It is clear to me they wish to humiliate people more than anything else.

I say Mthethwa and all the ANC crooks should kneel to the tax payer to beg forgiveness, because contrary to what they seem to think - Public funds matter. Also to the ANC voters they've been fooling for the last several decades.

 

[Brenden_E]

You're like a drug man, I can't help but to come back..

You are soo lacking in the head department - that's exactly what I said! You lack critical comprehensions skills my man. It's honestly so shocking. You are the one who bringing up violence when I'm taking about crime.

I gave you an analogy about fruit to explain your constant talking point about crime, I don't know how to dumb this down more for you

O my lord, I went back and saw that you think we are talking about crime. We are talking about violence as part of culture. Buggerall to do with petty or non-violent crime.

 

[Ponderer]

You think they are racists for not taking the knee?

Not necessarily. At worst racist but at best ignorant of what BLM stands for like the majority of people in this forum.

@boramk
You did not answer the question.
Not necessarily is not an answer - you are trying to duck the question.
I repeat.
Do you think they are racist/s for not taking the knee?

 

[Deleted member 369928]

That's actually not true. Maybe unbias your news sources or don't make things up?
Black people are killed by black cops a lot yes, and the exact figure is actually about the same rate as white cops. That's not great either, but a black city or neighborhood also creates black cops so it makes sense. Regardless, this isn't about the ethnicity of the cops for me.


This is honestly a can of worms and I can go into a lot more detail if you'd like about why this is the case. That said black people, even if they are criminals, shouldn't be killed.

There were riots in Chicago last weekend because cops shot a black man, who shot at them first. That guy has no sympathy from me and any BLM protests around that would be incredibly stupid. This is more for people who were unarmed and killed, be it George Floyd, Trayvon Martin, Eric Garner etc.

You do know George floyd was having breathing difficulties before the knee on his neck right?

 

[blah99]

I always find it funny that black lives matter ONLY when whites are involved.

Blacks can kill blacks....no problem and no need to bend the knee.