Mthethwa asks SA Rugby to take action after eight players refuse to bend the knee in support of BLM in England

[Tokolotshe]

Answer this question, would you be on the side of the homeowner if it had been a group of random strangers with guns had broken into that home? Would you consider that the homeowner was within his rights to shoot those intruders?

I get your point. Castle doctrine vs no-knock warrants. A disaster waiting to happen.

But then away this became the defense of Kenneth Walker, after he previously said he thought it was Jamarcus Glover, ex boyfriend of Taylor. Add that at least one package of drugs had been dropped at this address for Taylor's ex boyfriend.

Tbh, this was the perfect shyte storm waiting to happen. To make it a BLM issue is wrong.

My ZAR 5c which does not translate to USD 5c, just like BLM USA does not translate to South Africa.

 

[CaptainOblivious]

Dodgy laws and things like no-knock warrants are the problems, blaming criminality, in general, is as bad as shrugging your shoulders and just accepting that police will continue to kill innocents. No-knock warrants came about because police were scared that drug dealers would flush their drugs if the police knocked, considering the massive failure that is the war on drugs and considering incidents like Taylor, there is certainly a lot that can be done to reduce the incidence of things like that happening again.

"Drug lives matter" wouldn't attract nearly the same amount of hostility as "black lives matter".

There's social activism that might do some good, and then there's social activism that just aggravates the problem. You may find it useful to encourage the former and discourage the latter.

 

[Ponderer]

@Cray
Still waiting for you to respond to post #303.

 

[Cray]

@Cray
Still waiting for you to respond to post #303.

Good luck with that...

 

[Cray]

I get your point. Castle doctrine vs no-knock warrants. A disaster waiting to happen.

But then away this became the defense of Kenneth Walker, after he previously said he thought it was Jamarcus Glover, ex boyfriend of Taylor. Add that at least one package of drugs had been dropped at this address for Taylor's ex boyfriend.

Tbh, this was the perfect shyte storm waiting to happen. To make it a BLM issue is wrong.

I can understand that, but causes like this are seldom directed and can be co-opted by lots of different narratives. Agree though, this illustrates a big problem with the law at the moment and it could just as easily have been a white victim.

 

[surface]

Good luck with that...

That is good one. I am going to steal & use it often.

 

[Cray]

"Drug lives matter" wouldn't attract nearly the same amount of hostility as "black lives matter".

I don't know, some of the comments about people associating with "druggies" makes me think there is a certain part of the populations who don't give a crap how many drug users are jailed or killed in this never-ending war, the same war that is still going on while drugs are purer and more readily available than ever.

 

[CaptainOblivious]

I don't know, some of the comments about people associating with "druggies" makes me think there is a certain part of the populations who don't give a crap how many drug users are jailed or killed in this never-ending war, the same war that is still going on while drugs are purer and more readily available than ever.

At least the argument will be over substantive issues instead of people fighting over virtue signalling tokenism. Presumably you agree it actually matters when and how one uses drugs in a way that your skin colour just doesn't.

 

[netstrider]

It's in the name buddy.

That black lives matter. I'm sorry if that is upsetting to you.

It has nothing to do with your, I'm presuming white life so stop feeling so attacked by a group that's trying to point out that a specific group of people's lives matter.

Who are they pointing it out to, particularly in this country?

The laws are made by black people. Black people are in government. The job market suits black people before any other race.

The police are black
The municipalities are black
Scholarships and internships are favourable to black people
Universities will more readily admit a black student even in cases where grades may be lower.
Government tenders are favourable to black businesses
Every state-owned enterprise is run by black people
Black people are the majority
Land expropriation is being implemented for none other than black people

So what gives? Black Lives Matter, you say.

Tell that to the politicians of whom the majority are black people! They are looting the country while millions of their own black population live in poverty.

Yet, you want to say people should apologise.

 

[TelkomUseless]

Who are they pointing it out to, particularly in this country?

The laws are made by black people. Black people are in government. The job market suits black people before any other race.

The police are black
The municipalities are black
Scholarships and internships are favourable to black people
Universities will more readily admit a black student even in cases where grades may be lower.
Government tenders are favourable to black businesses
Every state-owned enterprise is run by black people
Black people are the majority
Land expropriation is being implemented for none other than black people

So what gives? Black Lives Matter, you say.

Tell that to the politicians of whom the majority are black people! They are looting the country while millions of their own black population live in poverty.

Yet, you want to say people should apologise.

This is my question too. Why BLM is even in SA.. as you posted above, if you are black in SA... you are in the winning team.

 

[Ponderer]

Good luck with that...

Coward.

 

[Cray]

Coward.

Troll

 

[Sinbad]

This is my question too. Why BLM is even in SA.. as you posted above, if you are black in SA... you are in the winning team.

Except you're not. Black people in SA aren't winning. Only a tiny group of people are. But I agree, BLM is not relevant in SA. We really need "Not-up-the-ANC-NEC's-ass lives matter"

 

[TelkomUseless]

Except you're not. Black people in SA aren't winning. Only a tiny group of people are. But I agree, BLM is not relevant in SA. We really need "Not-up-the-ANC-NEC's-ass lives matter"

I agree 100%.

 

[Ponderer]

Except you're not. Black people in SA aren't winning. Only a tiny group of people are. But I agree, BLM is not relevant in SA. We really need "Not-up-the-ANC-NEC's-ass lives matter"

Its politics - its about controlling and exploiting the masses.
Can guarantee that the orchestrators of the BLM bowel movement feel nothing for "black" people.

 

[Tokolotshe]

I can understand that, but causes like this are seldom directed and can be co-opted by lots of different narratives. Agree though, this illustrates a big problem with the law at the moment and it could just as easily have been a white victim.

Yep. So in fact this is an all lives matter issue. For BLM it was never about Floyd, much less about lives. The cops did not make the laws either, it rather set them up for failure - here we have to look much deeper into abuse of laws, drug abuse etc.

It also does not translate to South Africa unless you drill down to the real cause of BLM.

 

[koeks525]

You don't win RWCs with a taking the knee mindset just to appease the weak minded.

Agreed. However, if you play into what the crowds want to see and hear, you avoid so much unnecessary troubles, and if there is money on the line, you get to keep all of it. Sheep mentality isn't great, but, given the times we are in, its easy to get "cancelled", even for the smallest of things. Sure, you can argue "I have the right to my own opinions and views blah blah blah". Unfortunately, if your actions don't win in the social justice court, and you end up losing deals and money, morals and values do not matter as they won't "pay the bills".

A number of artists and politicians who pledge support to the cause are most likely going with this approach.

 

[Tokolotshe]

Agreed. However, if you play into what the crowds want to see and hear, you avoid so much unnecessary troubles, and if there is money on the line, you get to keep all of it, except the RWC. Sheep mentality isn't great, but, given the times we are in, its easy to get "cancelled", even for the smallest of things. Sure, you can argue "I have the right to my own opinions and views blah blah blah". Unfortunately, if your actions don't win in the social justice court, and you end up losing deals and money, morals and values do not matter as they won't "pay the bills".

A number of artists and politicians who pledge support to the cause are most likely going with this approach.

FTFY

 

[Vrotappel]

Agreed. However, if you play into what the crowds want to see and hear, you avoid so much unnecessary troubles, and if there is money on the line, you get to keep all of it. Sheep mentality isn't great, but, given the times we are in, its easy to get "cancelled", even for the smallest of things. Sure, you can argue "I have the right to my own opinions and views blah blah blah". Unfortunately, if your actions don't win in the social justice court, and you end up losing deals and money, morals and values do not matter as they won't "pay the bills".

A number of artists and politicians who pledge support to the cause are most likely going with this approach.

Like the ANC allowed Zuma to run amok for a decade?

 

[Tokolotshe]

Would the BLM supporters cry foul if we had to drill these brave warriors ...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1296480787743809547

We have much bigger issues in South Africa than worry about a Marxist group in the USA. But then again, while the wokey kokey rage and attention is diverted, (fill in some kuk things happening locally that are a massive failure) continues locally. It's not about lives to Mthetwa and politicians, it never was.

May we have some appropriate cop violence for the noble warriors please ...