Mthethwa asks SA Rugby to take action after eight players refuse to bend the knee in support of BLM in England

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Solarion said:
Well if there was any doubt that BLM is a Fascist political movement, minister Nathi just removed it.

The last time people were required to prostrate themselves before a political cause or be persecuted was in Nazi Germany. If you stand for this rubbish then you are nothing more than a right wing lunatic.
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Left wing lunatic.

The left has displayed their intolerance and irrationality throughout history, bunch of disloyal rednecks.
 
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MirageF1 said:
The danger within is more often than not, far more deadlier.

Those sort of folk tick me off infinitely more....
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I dont follow where you are going with this at all. If it was aimed at me it went over my head completely. Apologies.
 
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No one should be forced to kneel or prostrate themselves for an ideology under threat of termination of employment or even criminal charges, no matter how noble the ideology is purported to be.

We need to be careful. "Racism" is illegal in RSA without there even being a consensus on the scope of what is legally to be considered as racist; therefore people are able to broaden the definition as they see fit. If a judge declares the lack of kneeling by these players as "racist", that could mean criminal charges.

I don't want to make this purely a race thing since one of the standing players wasn't white, but the whole BLM cause could be exploited to make it a legal requirement for white people to prostrate themselves, kneel and apologize to black people at any time and on request: "Kneel in the street, in the office, or in the supermarket, to show your shame and contrition over how black people have suffered at the hands of white people or else you are racist! Surely if you are not racist you would not think twice about kneeling?" I can already see that being a reality in a few years.

Hopefully the courts will determine that protecting the right of an individual to not have to physically submit and genuflect to any idol or ideology is more important than punishing nebulous racism - just like a person's right to be able to discriminate in who they marry outweighs the right of someone to not be racially discriminated against.
 
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Lucas Buck said:
It's a bit silly. People will now be judged to be racist or not, based on whether they take a knee. Sportsmen shouldn't feel pressured to kneel.
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Yes. If you don't kneel you will be stigmatized at best; criminally prosecuted at worst, since "racism" is now officially illegal in RSA. What qualifies as racism is at the discretion of the judge.

It's basically a form of thoughtcrime. It's punishing people based on the conjecture that their behaviour (such as not kneeling), though not in of itself racist, is an indication of potential racist attitudes and beliefs. It is similar to assuming that a white person is racist if they are not interested in interracial relationships. It is treating correlation as if it implies causation, which is thoughtcrime territory.
 
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Demavend said:
I don't want to make this purely a race thing since one of the standing players wasn't white, but the whole BLM cause could be exploited to make it a legal requirement for white people to prostrate themselves, kneel and apologize to black people at any time and on request: "Kneel in the street, in the office, or in the supermarket, to show your shame and contrition over how black people have suffered at the hands of white people or else you are racist! Surely if you are not racist you would not think twice about kneeling?" I can already see that being a reality in a few years.
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If you look at the state of the SA so-called "Human Rights" Commission alone, it's a wonder we're not there already.
 
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Back in the original George Floyd thread, I expected this to happen.

Just see what happened to the dialogue Terry Crews tried to make, he was shut down each and every time by his own people and let’s not go into the Nick Cannon side to all of this because he validated Crews and still Crews were condemned by the public for his views.

This should be a campaign against racism, not about being racially better.

In the George Floyd thread, I also made a statement as to why I won’t bend the knee because BLM is politically loaded and has at that time already became a creed. The moment you bend the knee, you will be reminded time and time again, and when any decision against your beliefs are made you will be reprimanded by the court in public. It is an acknowledgement to an ultimatum.

Why can't we just be against racism? If you don't 'BLM' in South Africa your own government will hunt you down.

This is how I view it, and you are welcome to disagree.
 
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SA Rugby responds to the actions of Springboks who refused to take the knee in support of the BLM movement

SA Rugby’s response to the actions of senior Springboks who opted not to take the knee in support of the Black Lives Matter campaign last weekend is a work in progress‚ according to its chief executive Jurie Roux.
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SA Rugby responds to the actions of Springboks who refused to take the knee in support of the BLM movement
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SA Rugby’s response to the actions of senior Springboks who opted not to take the knee in support of the Black Lives Matter campaign last weekend is a work in progress‚ according to its chief executive Jurie Roux.

Eight South African players‚ almost all of them Springboks representing Sale Sharks in the English Premiership‚ remained standing while the entire Harlequins team took the knee at the Stoop in Twickenham last Friday.

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While England’s Premiership Football League showed blanket support for the BLM movement‚ their rugby counterparts left it up to the individual clubs to decide how they want to react to the movement.

“Until the meeting of the exco has happened I cannot comment. I will be speculating if I did. We will decide what our course of action will be‚” said Roux.

“The minister asked our president for our position. The president will take that to the exco. I will give him the latitude to do that. Then we will get back to the minister with a response.”

Roux was asked if the team’s mantra from last year’s Rugby World Cup ‘Stronger Together’ was still applicable‚ given the divisive nature of the debate.

Although he didn’t say so Roux intimated SA Rugby’s support to the movement may stand in contrast to that of some of their more senior players abroad.

“We have stated our position. There is no reason why we are not ‘Stronger Together’. That was at the core of the team. They will show it when they back together again.”

Roux said the assertion that SA Rugby‚ and the players under its aegis do not understand the country’s history was a matter of opinion.

“We fully understand our past. We are busy with plans and it is about how we are going to deliver our message. We are in discussions and you will see that when we return to the pitch‚” said Roux.
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I wonder if part of the discussion will be for every player to bend the knee in South Africa, in a show of 'solidarity'?
 
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abzo said:
Jesus preached peace and non-violence. Don’t go against HIS word. But then again, you’re not a real Christian anyway.
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Oh stfu, “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34


That goes for the lot of you.
 
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ponder said:
Oh stfu, “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34


That goes for the lot of you.
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We’re talking about Jesus. Who’s this Matthew?
 
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