MTN SCAM!!!

dudleydh

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So my girlfriend has three contracts with MTN, two voice and 1 data.
One of the voice contracts she is no longer uses and subsequently destroyed the SIM card over a year ago. We only kept it for a phone upgrade and the 24 month payment was less than the total cash price of the phone.
On Wednesday we found out that this voice contract started making calls from October 20th, 2012. We didn't pick this up since the calls were probably within the free minutes until December. Then all hell broke loose.
I called her old number and spoke to someone who sounded like they were in a rural village/squatter camp. When I asked whose number this was - she said "someone". After that language/accent barriers made this a futile exercise.
We spent a frustrating few days with so called "customer no-service" on the phone and at a branch to discover a few things.

1. There is no history of the SIM being swapped so it can be activated. I believe that this could be inside job of someone giving out dormant lines en-mass to outside individuals.
2. The fraud department is an external company that logs fraud calls , logs it with MTN, receives feedback and gives said feedback to customer in 6-8 weeks.
3. MTN will block all your lines for 1 lines issue and will not hear of you refusing to pay for the excess of calls made fraudulently. Even though you can prove that the lines was totally inactive for over a year. Of course if you have a debit order that automatically deducts your account then tough luck to you. Especially if the fraud dept. takes 6-8 weeks (hopefully).
4. When asking for an itemised bill to check which numbers were being called, they have to unlock the account and leave it in that state until they can send you the bill for a cost of R20. This is for the privilege of investigating THEIR fraud.
5. Upon receiving that bill, all numbers called where 0 or *0. Nothing else. WTF does not that point to an illegal SIM?
6. No one at the "customer don'tcare" or stores has access to your itemised bill so they can't look up this information for you.
7. There is no way to get to MTN internal fraud department. No one at "customer don'tcare" or branches can call them. This means you can't trace your own fraud call.

Aside from logging this at the fraud department, we have given an affidavit at the police station and sent it to MTN.

My reason for this post is three fold.

1. Do any members out there know of what else can be done?

2. Warn anybody out there to watch your phone bill/free minutes, etc. I cannot believe that this would have been possible without inside help, and I am definitely not saying that this is only an MTN problem.

3. Let everyone know that should you consider joining the MTN family - don't. Not if you might have a problem and want would like them to look after existing contract customers.


I have stupidly been an MTN contract customer for over 15 years and this is what I have to say
F*** you very much MTN - been awful knowing you
 

LPCPT

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When my airtime started to disappear, I did the same.

Pay as you go FTW. Not with EmtyN or Vodacon, but with Cell C. Happy as a pig in shyte:D
 

isie

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Place a complaint on hello peter, and on MYBB send a PM to MTN Lazola - thats the rep here

But i have to say ss bad as MTN is you guys were quite iresposible here as well - dealng with anything if you take out a contract you need to check your statemnts every month
-Why did you destroy the sim? If a sim swop was requested a sms would have been sent to that sim card.
-If you had no intention of using the sim you should have chosen the contract be on top up (and all mtn contracts allow that option)
-If she has 3 contrats was she not recieving statments from MTN - since you werent using the phone I understand if calls were with in the alocated airtime you would not notice, but as soon as it went over that bill would have spiked - and alarm bell should go off.
-Also did she not check MTN active to keep an eye on things, at least she would have noticed there airtime ws being used I understand you didnt expect this to hapen but you forget this is SA, you have to be carfull.

-And worst of all you lost out on MTN loyality points, you paying for the Sim it would have alocated loyalty points on the number, you could have transfered that to the other voice contract!

Im not picking on you dude but the networks dont care about you they out to make money and if you not watching your contract they not going to.
 

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Yes bent it in half and scratched the circuitry, then thrown it out in municiple garbage.

Did this contract come with monthly airtime?

I've got an extra contract (for the phone, same as you). Got that SIM in an old Nokia for making calls when at home, so I don't klap my regular contract. Use #31#number to hide your number when calling. This avoids people calling you back on the spare SIM, as they'll never know the number...

Bending a SIM- not the same as 'destroying' - it could theoretically have been straightened and reused. Unlikely though.
 

dudleydh

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Place a complaint on hello peter, and on MYBB send a PM to MTN Lazola - thats the rep here

But i have to say ss bad as MTN is you guys were quite iresposible here as well - dealng with anything if you take out a contract you need to check your statemnts every month
-Why did you destroy the sim? If a sim swop was requested a sms would have been sent to that sim card.
-If you had no intention of using the sim you should have chosen the contract be on top up (and all mtn contracts allow that option)
-If she has 3 contrats was she not recieving statments from MTN - since you werent using the phone I understand if calls were with in the alocated airtime you would not notice, but as soon as it went over that bill would have spiked - and alarm bell should go off.
-Also did she not check MTN active to keep an eye on things, at least she would have noticed there airtime ws being used I understand you didnt expect this to hapen but you forget this is SA, you have to be carfull.

-And worst of all you lost out on MTN loyality points, you paying for the Sim it would have alocated loyalty points on the number, you could have transfered that to the other voice contract!

Im not picking on you dude but the networks dont care about you they out to make money and if you not watching your contract they not going to.


Look all true - however a contract is the same as having a credit card. If you use your credit card all over the web for online purchasing you have to accept a certain responsibility on the part of the vendor or credit processing entity not to sell your credit card details on. If they do your bank usually calls if a transactions appears fraudulent (mine does). They have fraud engines in place that alert an account holder that unusual activity is occurring outside of the norm. You have 180 days to reverse any credit card transaction, then it becomes a matter between you and the vendor to prove it was fraud.

A SIM swap legally (that is the important word here) happens when the owner produces the necessary documentation. However nothing like that happened, yet an active SIM using the MSISDN number was now registered on the network with the same IMSI number. The only way for that to occur is a SIM swap, so I believe one happened but not legally. This is the same as your credit card being duplicated and used in fraudulent purchases. However there is no legislation in place to protect the consumer against this type of fraud.

By having a contract you have an agreement with an institution to provide you credit. You are buying goods on a pay later scheme (even if it is a short term one) But this institution is not bound by the same laws as a banking institution. That is my problem.
 
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Wyzak

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Corruption inside the company made this possible - they are actively looking for active but unused accounts in the hope that they will be able to use them for some time before being noticed. I heard exactly the same story inside a Cell C store not too long ago.
 

dudleydh

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Well BIG lesson learnt. All of these contracts including mine all end this year. Guess what farewell MTN, hello prepaid (probably CellC). You have lost over 25 years worth of customers.
 

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Well BIG lesson learnt. All of these contracts including mine all end this year. Guess what farewell MTN, hello prepaid (probably CellC). You have lost over 25 years worth of customers.

good move. pay as you go FTW. contracts put you at the mercy of these hopeless companies. Only contract I have is the MTN Uncapped lite contract. And that I have through @lantic and NOT MTN. Fixed cost with NO possibility of extra costs for 24 months.
 

Piet Le Roux

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My first contract with MTN were deducted from my credit card. After about 6 months my wife confronted me with my credit card bill and wanted to know how I managed to buy a R1000 of pizza in Santon, I live in Bloem??. Then it started to make sense: MTN send my credit card details to their billing department in Santon and someone hi-jacked it there. The thing is if there is no proof that you made the credit card transaction the loses are the banks problem and they passed the buck to the pizza place because their guy should have asked for ID and a signature. Although the monies were reversed I never received an apology from MTN not even an acknowledgement that they were at fault or if the person or persons were apprehended. It seems to be their MO : they don’t care a dam about your losses or what you may think of them, as long as they don’t have to admit fault.
 

waaadup

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That's some serious sh*t, I would've sued them long ago.
If there's anything wrong with that number and they don't have legal proof that you did a sim swap.Then the court will sort them out.Even if you don't win ,it will give some big heads a wake up call.There are a few good mtn guys working in the company and you must understand that they feel as much frustrated as you are.I worked for a company like that and noticed some "houtkop" next to me robbing some lady blind by giving her accounts away.I immediately called the police instead of my boss because he's useless.
Found out later they had no evidence against him so i went to the office and put him in the hospital.I was fired but it felt really good knowing the company wasn't ruined because of him.No charges was placed on me because of lack of evidence <<idiots.
Even if you go to another company it won't matter. Everyone has corruption and it's part of business, but I understand your crap man.

Good luck with your new service.
 

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My first contract with MTN were deducted from my credit card. After about 6 months my wife confronted me with my credit card bill and wanted to know how I managed to buy a R1000 of pizza in Santon, I live in Bloem??. Then it started to make sense: MTN send my credit card details to their billing department in Santon and someone hi-jacked it there. The thing is if there is no proof that you made the credit card transaction the loses are the banks problem and they passed the buck to the pizza place because their guy should have asked for ID and a signature. Although the monies were reversed I never received an apology from MTN not even an acknowledgement that they were at fault or if the person or persons were apprehended. It seems to be their MO : they don’t care a dam about your losses or what you may think of them, as long as they don’t have to admit fault.

1. MTN's offices are in Fairlands near Roodepoort and
2. How did you pinpoint that it was MTN? It could have been anyone you used your credit card with?
 

Fyson

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Why even bother with a contract anymore, the whole point is to simplify your life but in the end MTN just screws you.
 

waaadup

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Well i think any cellular company is great but, it's always some idiot worker/s that screw things up.
Like Mtn's service is cr*p but not because of mtn but, some b*tch that doesn't understand English when you call them or some lazy guy that gives you a automated message when you ask then for help and still see no improvement.They just need more hardworking people.<That actually likes doing their job.
 
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Piet Le Roux

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I am 100% sure but I am not going to elaborate Because there is no point : What you “think” is your business.
 

waaadup

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Why did you comment if you didn't care.
Didn't have to read if you weren't interested.
 
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