Multiple Myloma - Hemp Oil = quackery

[tRoN]

I don't think RiaX can be considered an expert with medical conditions and their management as he is only a pharmacist.
Sure he may know his pharmacokinetics and have drug knowledge but in reality many drugs work differently in different individuals. The dynamics of the human body are vast with many variables like genetics, environmental influences like diet and stress etc.
Many drugs that were considered safe during research done by people like RiaX and his pharmaceutical cronies are later pulled due to serious side effects that develop in real life usage.
Some drugs intended for a initial use then are found to be useful for other conditions as well. These are only discovered during actual post research usage.
These so called pharmaceutical experts work in a lab and are never involved in real life situations.

 

[ToxicBunny]

I apologise for seeming harsh, that wasn't my intention.

It was more a blunt way of saying don't put your hopes into something like this hemp oil. It might help alleviate a few things, but it will not cure her.

Always check with the doctor involved as to whether it may or may not interfere with the chemo. If he suggests that it might then stay FAR away from it, if he suggests it won't then it can't hurt to try if it will make your mom feel better (even for a little bit)

 

[RiaX]

I particularly enjoyed Riax's comment that "anyone going into remission will always get another cancer" to paraphrase. ROFL

ok not always but most of the time. Especially in the elderly. Development can come decades later. I would like to give examples but i rather not.

These so called pharmaceutical experts work in a lab and are never involved in real life situations

Ive worked in a hospital. I only recently moved to R&D. Though you right just a pharmacist

 

[Freshy-ZN]

Before I continue I just want to make sure that we when we are talking about cannabis as a treatment for cancer that we are meaning the highly concentrated essential oil that people like Rick Simpson of phoenixtears make. People get confused with smoking or eating it as well as Hemp Oil which is cold pressed from the seeds of the cannabis plant.

Smoking or inhaling by means of a vapouriser is beneficial in relieving the nausea and appetite suppressing problems that more often than not accompany conventional cancer treatment. There is plenty of anecdotal as well as scientific evidence for this. Cold pressed Hemp Oil is a very healthy alternative to things like vegetable, olive, canola and avocado and other oils. Neither of the above are going to cure cancer but rather relieve symptoms or contribute to a healthy diet (important in itself if you're undergoing cancer treatment).

What the OP is referring to is a bona fide cure for cancer in the form of the essential oil. Now you wont find conventional scientific evidence for this anywhere but you will find tons of other evidence if you watch Run from the Cure and search for people who have cured their cancers using the oil. It will be up to the patient to decide if they believe the evidence or not.

This requires a radical shift in mindset and literally means you have to toss out everything you have been told. If you go down the path it really requires that the patient refuses chemo and other conventional treatment because these are accused of actually killing you. You dont want to be fighting the disease as well as the conventional treatment.

Of course the medical fraternity are going to tell you its all hogwash, the general public are going to tell you its hogwash and your own conditioning is going to tell you its hogwash. And of course they are! To do otherwise would be to admit the treatments they offer actually do nothing but at best buy some time and at worst kill you quicker all while making you feel even worse than the disease already does.

Im not here telling you it works because I dont know if it does but more importantly I haven't had to make that decision. All Im trying to do is avoid some confusion so that you may revisit the information more clearly.

What I can say is that I do think that there is something in it and I pray that I may never be in the position you or your Mom are now in having to consider these things.

I wish you the very best I know the pain of watching loved ones suffer from this.

 

[copacetic]

Before I continue I just want to make sure that we when we are talking about cannabis as a treatment for cancer that we are meaning the highly concentrated essential oil that people like Rick Simpson of phoenixtears make. People get confused with smoking or eating it as well as Hemp Oil which is cold pressed from the seeds of the cannabis plant.

Smoking or inhaling by means of a vapouriser is beneficial in relieving the nausea and appetite suppressing problems that more often than not accompany conventional cancer treatment. There is plenty of anecdotal as well as scientific evidence for this. Cold pressed Hemp Oil is a very healthy alternative to things like vegetable, olive, canola and avocado and other oils. Neither of the above are going to cure cancer but rather relieve symptoms or contribute to a healthy diet (important in itself if you're undergoing cancer treatment).

What the OP is referring to is a bona fide cure for cancer in the form of the essential oil. Now you wont find conventional scientific evidence for this anywhere but you will find tons of other evidence if you watch Run from the Cure and search for people who have cured their cancers using the oil. It will be up to the patient to decide if they believe the evidence or not.

This requires a radical shift in mindset and literally means you have to toss out everything you have been told. If you go down the path it really requires that the patient refuses chemo and other conventional treatment because these are accused of actually killing you. You dont want to be fighting the disease as well as the conventional treatment.

Of course the medical fraternity are going to tell you its all hogwash, the general public are going to tell you its hogwash and your own conditioning is going to tell you its hogwash. And of course they are! To do otherwise would be to admit the treatments they offer actually do nothing but at best buy some time and at worst kill you quicker all while making you feel even worse than the disease already does.

Im not here telling you it works because I dont know if it does but more importantly I haven't had to make that decision. All Im trying to do is avoid some confusion so that you may revisit the information more clearly.

What I can say is that I do think that there is something in it and I pray that I may never be in the position you or your Mom are now in having to consider these things.

I wish you the very best I know the pain of watching loved ones suffer from this.

While there is certainly evidence that there are compounds within cannabis that shrink tumours, I'd never, personally, recommend that anyone eschew conventional treatment (dangerous as it may be), for pure cannabis oil.

The evidence is simply not there, at this stage.

For non life-threatening conditions, then certainly cannabis is something I'd recommend in many instances, but in a situation like this, all I'd advise is for it to be used to alleviate the side effects of chemo, and possibly help with pain.

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I've been thinking about this thread all day, and despite my differences with some people in this thread, and their opinions, I must say, I was a bit remiss by making the comment that it should not interfere with treatment. I doubt it would, and as already mentioned, many medical professionals are just as brainwashed about cannabis as the next idiot, but nevertheless, I am not qualified to imply that there is no chance of it interfering with ongoing treatment in some manner (although personally, I doubt it will cause any major issues).

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OP, I hope you have gleaned some info from this thread...

 

[Techne]

This is an interesting article: Towards the use of cannabinoids as antitumour agents

This is an important statement and I think relevant to the OPs question:

How do cannabinoid-based medicines fit into this ongoing scenario? Let us consider gliomas, the type of cancer on which the most detailed cannabinoid research has been conducted to date. As discussed above, the engagement of a molecular target (such as CB receptors) by a family of selective drugs (such as THC and other cannabinoid agonists) inhibits tumour growth in animal models through a well-established mechanism of action that seems to be active in patients. Moreover, cannabinoids potentiate the antitumour efficacy of temozolomide and ALK inhibitors in mice that harbour gliomas. These findings provide preclinical proof-of-concept that ‘cannabinoid sensitizers’ could improve the clinical efficacy of classical cytotoxic drugs in glioblastoma (FIG. 4), and perhaps other highly malignant tumours such as pancreatic cancer, melanoma and hepatocellular carcinoma. However, further research is required to define the precise molecular crosstalk between cannabinoids and chemotherapeutic drugs and to optimize the pharmacology of preclinical cannabinoid-based combinational therapies to maximize antitumour efficacy without unacceptable toxicities to normal tissues.

For multiple myeloma? Without further research, I don't think any doctor can prescribe cannabinoids, including those found in hemp oil. Multiple myelomas are in many cases associated with C-myc over expression and there just is not enough evidence out there that demonstrates the effect that cannabinoids have on c-myc expression. So it can't be ruled out that cannabinoids may even induce the expression of c-myc anf thereby making MM even worse.

Be careful.

 

[maumau]

ok not always but most of the time. Especially in the elderly. Development can come decades later.

Riax, is it so difficult to admit that you talk ****E? stop digging now - "decades later" ???????? Try 25 years later and NO RECURRENCE.

I'm now joining copa in ignoring you.

F4bio that should provide hope for you if your mom pulls through - i've been clear for 25 years. Not MM but breast cancer.

 

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[Swa]

errr they do ? I write journal articles. My research leaders are editors of a couple journals. Stop sprouting rubbish.

I have never heard of a journal paying for a research article. You are the one sprouting nonsense.

Are you really this stupid or are you pretending ? Money = more equipment, more experiments and hence stronger results.

More money does not always equate to better equipment. Money could also be wasted. It also says nothing about the methodology and whether experiments were done accurately. An experiment can be worthless if incorrect methodology was used while with a cheaper budget the methodology could be sound. It's a fallacy to assume it more correct or better because it cost more. And as I said the source or what it costs to access it says nothing about how much the research cost.

I believe you have no idea what a journal is rofl

I do but you're using it in entirely the wrong way.

They do it quite often. Its letters to the editor. You should pick up a SAMJ one day

I know about letters to the editor. It does not equate to research articles. The vast majority or doctors don't write in to these journals anyway just like readers don't write in to magazines. The only way to reference them is thus through popular opinion.

They DONT. They subscribe to journals within their field. Doctors in SA subscribe for SAMJ and the brittish journals and whatever specialist journal if they have an FC number. My access goes from medicine to pharmacology to chemistry and so on. I know a lot of Drs and Ive never come across one approving THC for anything so you pulling things out of your a** once again.

That is all that matter. While you may not have come across a doctor approving cannabis for anything they are out there, especially in the U.S., and not approving it is not the same as disapproving it. Especially considering they have other pharmaceutical drugs available. Its analgesic and anti-emetic properties are well known clinically so I doubt many doctors share the same view as you. Is the term prescription marijuana unfamiliar to you? You seem to be talking out of your arse again as usual.

If you're going to continue with this fallacious and false arguments though I'm just going to tell you to **** off however. I already showed how dumb**** your ill-informed opinions are so I have nothing left to prove.

I'm talking about the entire posts devoted to the costs behind research publication, that is totally off topic and needs to stop. In some ridiculous light hearted thread I can understand it but not here, this thread is different. The OP is distressed and looking for help in what is a very stressful circumstance.

While I agree with this I also can't let it slip that Riax brought in the whole fallacious cost argument to justify using his sources (which we don't have access to) and his sources alone. That needed to be pointed out as his sources DOES relate to the topic.

The question has been answered. Marijuana has a good effect with the symptoms and side effects but for treatment probably not. I wouldn't discount it out of hand, who would have thought that tobacco could help with rabies. The problem with these treatments is you never know what would help with what. But if it's with management of symptoms it should be discussed with a doctor and as said one that is open to the idea and will approach it from a scientific standpoint and not the usual drug scaremongering.

 

[RiaX]

Before I continue I just want to make sure that we when we are talking about cannabis as a treatment for cancer that we are meaning the highly concentrated essential oil that people like Rick Simpson of phoenixtears make

No one can explain it but the anti tumor properties are deminished or even lost when ingested orally in in vivo testing. Perhaps its destoryed in the disgestive process or the liver metabolises it. Now dont get confused with space muffins, the euphoria experienced by THC is due to activation of a CB1 receptor, the tumor activity is due to CB2. Synthetic cannabinoids will work like those FDA approved but they still experimental generally not a good idea and you not going to get this if you make a random oil. Its antitumor activity depends on the neoplasm formed and the quantity of CB2 receptors on the cells. even though receptors may have the same name their actions and the interactive pharmacophores can vary vastly. Like the beta receptors, B1 receptors influence the heart where as B2 influences the lung (obviously not as simple as this but you get my point)

moking or inhaling by means of a vapouriser is beneficial in relieving the nausea and appetite suppressing problems that more often than not accompany conventional cancer treatment

Ondesteron is superior. Also the morphine they give the patients prevents nausea and vomiting. the opioid is used as it tackle more side effect issues and its a single agent. Easier to manage, less complicated, less strain on the body. Downfall is constipation. If morphine is used take it with a lactulose to aid constipation or liquid parafin (from a pharmacy).

Now you wont find conventional scientific evidence

If it was real there would be real science behind it. Even if it was discovered by accident, NO ONE will not patent this and get it marketed. Believe it or not, currently we can nail cancer hard medically however its all experimental nanomedicine. My friend (who is a dermatologist) went to the UK to do this treatment. Though its extremely risky and he knows what he is doing. Had stage 4 pancreatic adrenocarcinoma, came back in full remission. 5 months later a brain tumor developed.

To do otherwise would be to admit the treatments they offer actually do nothing but at best buy some time and at worst kill you quicker all while making you feel even worse than the disease already does

Why would the ENTIRE medical community lie to you ? this isnt a conspiracy. Disease is an extremely complex science. Its not the same like the days of gonorrhea or polio. Diseases are cause by various factors within living entities and life isnt a simple thing. Look at HIV or TB or even MRSA we are losing the fight .... BADLY. Dont believe go and learn about TB in detail (since all its information is free and on the WHO site) and see how complex it is

@ Techne

yeah thats quite valid. Though again people are being silly because they dont even know what regiment the OP's mom is on. People act as if there is ONLY one drug used in cancers. Whether is ciplatin, oxplatin, lormustine or carmustine, tamoxifen, interferons. Each one will have its own kinetics with the body and each one has to be assessed. Also we dont even know how the radiation will affect her only the oncologist will know that as they will be monitoring bloods and LF


@ swa

im not even going to bother. You know it all ok. As you were. A school boy who thinks he can tell a pilot how to fly the plane. I love the misconceptions people have about research. Funny how all your counter arguement rely on "could" , as if everyone is incompetent

F4bio that should provide hope for you if your mom pulls through - i've been clear for 25 years. Not MM but breast cancer.

I rather not respond to this. It will offend people.

 

[Zah1]

To the OP, I know what you going through. My dad was diagnosed with MM (bone marrow cancer) on 4 Feb '11 (ironically World Cancer Day). Its been 2 years nоw, he's been on the best drugs for this particular cancer, and has had 1 stem cell transplant. That first year was the hardest, as this cancer attacks the bones and immune system. The diagnosis was quite late too, by that time his kidneys were failing. But his body recovered from it all.

Please research the stem cell centre based in Pretoria, they specialise in MM and are the best in the country for treatment. Feel free to send me a message if you need any info or advice.

 

[F4bio]

To the OP, I know what you going through. My dad was diagnosed with MM (bone marrow cancer) on 4 Feb '11 (ironically World Cancer Day). Its been 2 years nоw, he's been on the best drugs for this particular cancer, and has had 1 stem cell transplant. That first year was the hardest, as this cancer attacks the bones and immune system. The diagnosis was quite late too, by that time his kidneys were failing. But his body recovered from it all.

Please research the stem cell centre based in Pretoria, they specialise in MM and are the best in the country for treatment. Feel free to send me a message if you need any info or advice.

Thanks for this, I'll look into it.

 

[F4bio]

I was and still am on the fence about THC oil for my mom's cancer - she's had a reasonably good response to her chemo sessions but then I see something like this (link below) popup and question whether I should be doing more more, specifically giving cannabis oil a try.

http://www.belowthelion.co.za/cape-town-woman-cures-colon-cancer-with-cannabis/

 

[RiaX]

Anecdotal evidence sir. Will not apply. If you mother is taking chemo well and the treatment seems to be working then dont disrupt it in anyway.

Also understand that tumor cells are different per cancer per person and dependent on the mutated receptors and proteins in the cell.

If things go downhill then ya why not but consider this before you turn to alternate medicine:

what if you exacerbate the cancer ? what if you unintentionally push her into stage 4 ? or you aid metastases of the disease ? you can cause irreversible damage

You mother has one of the most problematic and difficult diseases known to man. It cant be cured so easily

Also how you know that article isnt fraudulent ? or sheer luck ? or the treatment behind the scenes worked ? how do you know her cancer didnt just switch itself off and become benign ?

are you willing to risk all of this on something thats experimental, subjective and erratic ?

just remember should you stop the oncology process and turn to alternate meds and it fails oncology cant help you if it progresses further than stage 3