Multiple victims hospitalised after Las Vegas shooting

[buka001]

Well, you led the horse to water, but it ain't thirsty :crylaugh:

Oh the irony.

Ye who doth protest when your posts are taken out of context or your words twisted and accuses the individual of lying, goes and quotes a post and cuts out the context.

Bravo!

 

[Xarog]

I really enjoy the cognitive dissonance you show with ZH.

That's good. More than you enjoy the apparent cognitivie dissonance, I enjoy the fact that you didn't even look at ZH's disclosure policy. It's a really enjoyable day.

You seem to display acceptance that what they post must be assessed with a measure of scepticism, then come back with an edit displaying a logical fallacy. The cognitive battle you have with this is fascinating.

It's not a logical fallacy. Zerohedge has several times pointed to conspiracies that turned out to be correct, giving people in the market an advanced warning of the dirty crud that was messing with price valuations and the like. Those who can separate signal from noise stand to benefit from it.

You display a profound interest in psychology in many of your posts, so I am sure (despite your expected protestation to this post) at some level there is some appreciation of this phenomenon.

Oh indeed, I appreciate it very much. It's fascinating to watch people's attention just wash over something they don't want to see.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Oh the irony.

Ye who doth protest when your posts are taken out of context or your words twisted and accuses the individual of lying, goes and quotes a post and cuts out the context.

Bravo!

You don't recognize that poetic licence may freely be taken in the pursuit of humour? :erm:

 

[access]

The part that I'm interested in is the existence of a gag order

its pretty easy to comprehend, does a gag order exist or not. where/how the meaning of the word existence comes in is funny lol

 

[buka001]

That's good. More than you enjoy the apparent cognitivie dissonance, I enjoy the fact that you didn't even look at ZH's disclosure policy. It's a really enjoyable day.


It's not a logical fallacy. Zerohedge has several times pointed to conspiracies that turned out to be correct, giving people in the market an advanced warning of the dirty crud that was messing with price valuations and the like. Those who can separate signal from noise stand to benefit from it.


Oh indeed, I appreciate it very much. It's fascinating to watch people's attention just wash over something they don't want to see.

ZH policy is just double speak for we will accept anything to promote a conspiracy theory. Provides some pseudo babble about why facts don't get in the way of a great story.

Whether it is crazy or not, if it fits the narrative then, why bother with facts, lets go with it.

Since ZH is unable to filter the crazy from the reasonable, the adage that a broken clock is right twice a day holds.

This is where it gets interesting. Because of your acceptance of what they post, you take what they say and your own "quality control" short circuits and then you accept it.

Hamish demonstrated with 5mins of googling a basic level of quality control that you could have done, if you displayed less of a cognitive dissonance for ZH, you could have assessed the article for its merits on your own.

Given the facts that Hamish found, I doubt you would have given the article any merit, based on your scepticism for other events.

This is the point.

 

[Pitbull]

Can we please move away from all the conspiracy theories and focus on the actual investigations of this shooting? It's been a number of pages since anything relevant has been posted...

 

[theratman]

Can we please move away from all the conspiracy theories and focus on the actual investigations of this shooting? It's been a number of pages since anything relevant has been posted...

Agreed. Go start a ZH thread and take it there.

 

[Xarog]

ZH policy is just double speak for we will accept anything to promote a conspiracy theory. Provides some pseudo babble about why facts don't get in the way of a great story.

Whether it is crazy or not, if it fits the narrative then, why bother with facts, lets go with it.

Since ZH is unable to filter the crazy from the reasonable, the adage that a broken clock is right twice a day holds.

This is where it gets interesting. Because of your acceptance of what they post, you take what they say and your own "quality control" short circuits and then you accept it.

Just because someone gets something right some of the time doesn't mean you have to believe them all the time. As I said, grow a brain, learn to think for yourself. Once you take responsibility for the conclusions you draw and you don't outsource it to trusted third parties, you will be much better less likely to get taken for a ride.

Hamish demonstrated with 5mins of googling a basic level of quality control that you could have done, if you displayed less of a cognitive dissonance for ZH, you could have assessed the article for its merits on your own.

Given the facts that Hamish found, I doubt you would have given the article any merit, based on your scepticism for other events.

This is the point.

Except that his searching did nothing to detract from the fact that the family of the security guard guy said they can't speak and his own appointed interviews were abruptly cancelled. That is a matter of fact. The question as to why this happened remains open. One possibility is a gag order. Unless you have something either confirming or refuting this possibility, I don't really see what else there is to say on the matter. You're attacking a straw man.

 

[buka001]

Just because someone gets something right some of the time doesn't mean you have to believe them all the time. As I said, grow a brain, learn to think for yourself. Once you take responsibility for the conclusions you draw and you don't outsource it to trusted third parties, you will be much better less likely to get taken for a ride.


Except that his searching did nothing to detract from the fact that the family of the security guard guy said they can't speak and his own appointed interviews were abruptly cancelled. That is a matter of fact. The question as to why this happened remains open. One possibility is a gag order. Unless you have something either confirming or refuting this possibility, I don't really see what else there is to say on the matter. You're attacking a straw man.

I believe his research did.

It displayed lack of basic factual research done by the author. Based on the authors history, this could be to portray a certain false narrative.

So it raises reasonable doubt regarding the veracity of the claim regarding the gag order, as there is no verifiable evidence supporting the claim.

 

[Xarog]

I believe his research did.

It displayed lack of basic factual research done by the author. Based on the authors history, this could be to portray a certain false narrative.

You don't debunk one claim by attacking another unrelated claim.

I mean, it's basically the equivalent of me saying that nothing you say is to be trusted because "Buka" is simply a mispelling of "Baka" and you're so dumb that you couldn't even get THAT right.

So it raises reasonable doubt regarding the veracity of the claim regarding the gag order, as there is no verifiable evidence supporting the claim.

Actually, the evidence supporting the claim is firstly that interviews were cancelled and secondly that the response Loomer got from whoever answered the door was that they "couldn't talk".

This still needs an explanation. If it's not a gag order, then it's something else. I'm open to hearing alternatives.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Baka"

Off topic, but this is the first time in years of frequenting urban dictionary that I've seen any definition that doesn't have a crude sexual reference among the ones on the first page!

You'd think 'alaskan pipeline', 'dolphin', 'rudolph' or 'rusty trombone' would be relatively innocent ... you'd be wrong

 

[buka001]

You don't debunk one claim by attacking another unrelated claim.

I mean, it's basically the equivalent of me saying that nothing you say is to be trusted because "Buka" is simply a mispelling of "Baka" and you're so dumb that you couldn't even get THAT right.


Actually, the evidence supporting the claim is firstly that interviews were cancelled and secondly that the response Loomer got from whoever answered the door was that they "couldn't talk".

This still needs an explanation. If it's not a gag order, then it's something else. I'm open to hearing alternatives.

Perhaps we have different standards.

Her background and the fact that she easily missed the whole aspect regarding the security company and its licence, really makes me question how legitimate the rest is.

Did they really say "we couldn't talk" or did they say "we won't talk", because they are sick and tired of people badgering them for questions?

The way she was economical with a basic, easily verifiable fact, needs explanation. I think the answer to that question, provides the answer to your question.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

If it's not a duck, it has to be a horse apparently

If Loomer pitched up at my door there's no way I'd talk to her either. Also happening In other world, "no comment" means guilty

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Las Vegas gunman targeted police responding to his shooting, investigation shows

MATT PEARCE, JAWEED KALEEM AND DAVID MONTERO

Los Angeles Times 11:07 PM
OCT 15, 2017

LAS VEGAS — Police have once again shifted their timeline of how the Oct. 1 massacre unfolded in Las Vegas, saying Friday that a hotel security guard was shot only moments before the gunman shot at a concert crowd — not six minutes before the attack began, as they had previously stated.

But investigators’ latest account still does not resolve questions over why it took police 12 minutes to find the gunman’s hotel room when officers were already inside the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino when the attack began. Nor does the latest account answer why officers searched other floors in the hotel first if they had received a report from hotel security that the gunman was on the 32nd floor.

In a news conference Friday, an emotional and defensive Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo praised the bravery of his officers. The investigation, he said, has determined that the gunman deliberately aimed his weapons at police as they arrived at the scene where 21,000 country music festival patrons were fleeing in panic.

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/na...ting-investigation-shows/stories/201710150170

Read the article. It has a lot of updates about the events. e.g. he checked in on 25th, not 28th

 

[Unhappy438]

If it's not a duck, it has to be a horse apparently

If Loomer pitched up at my direct, there's no way I'd talk to her either. Also happening In other world, "no comment" means guilty

You're just part of the deep state cia. Being a tinfoil hatter is all the rage now, its the new meta.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Of course Xarog posted something by that nutjob Loomer - the person who had a blown tyre and claimed it was antifa that slashed them. :crylaugh:

A leftist around every bush!

 

[Xarog]

Of course Xarog posted something by that nutjob Loomer - the person who had a blown tyre and claimed it was antifa that slashed them. :crylaugh:

Yeah, except I beat you to the punch with respect to bringing that to everybody's attention, and...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...vegas-massacre-security-guard-remains-missing

 

[Dreamboat]

Campo still missing. Two deaths and two disappearances of people of interest to the investigation. More questions than answers. In fact, only questions and no answers. :wtf:

 

[rietrot]

Yeah, except I beat you to the punch with respect to bringing that to everybody's attention, and...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...vegas-massacre-security-guard-remains-missing

I bet the guy put that gag order on himself. Some people will milk a tragedy for all its worth and go on interviews and sign a book deals.
But I am sure most normal, decent people won't like that kind of attention.

 

[STS]

Yeah, except I beat you to the punch with respect to bringing that to everybody's attention, and...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...vegas-massacre-security-guard-remains-missing

Campo still missing. Two deaths and two disappearances of people of interest to the investigation. More questions than answers. In fact, only questions and no answers. :wtf:

For both the Agent Mulders:

http://www.snopes.com/is-the-mandalay-bay-security-guard-missing/

LVMPD officer Larry Hadfield told us that Campos is not missing, and reiterated that Paddock had no accomplices when he rained bullets down on the Route 91 Harvest Festival. Hadfield told us, flat-out:

[Campos] is not missing. He’s not under arrest. We tell people what we know. If they don’t believe it but they’re going to believe whatever web site, then I don’t know what else to tell you.

Sandy Hook “truthers” have been on a crusade to prove that the thoroughly covered and well-documented massacre of children was a “false flag” engineered by the government in the service of the “New World Order,” a ubiquitous but vague conspiracy theory peddled by the likes of InfoWars host Alex Jones, in which a secret but powerful cabal seeks to institute an autocratic global regime which will only be enabled once the government has seized all the guns from Americans. At least two “truthers” have been arrested for things like harassing or sending death threats to victims’ families.

Graney said those same “truthers” are currently whipping themselves into an online frenzy over Campos: poring over photographs for supposed discrepancies, attempting to track his whereabouts, and scrutinizing a public database for the Nevada Private Investigator’s Licensing Board (a spokesman for the board told us that agency has no jurisdiction over casino security guards like Campos).

Richard A. Patterson, a founding partner of the law firm Owen, Patterson & Owen, which has filed a petition to have the courts appoint a public administrator to oversee Paddock’s assets in lieu of pending litigation on behalf of victims, told us that Campos’s hesitance to speak to the media and maintain a low profile is not surprising:

Based on my clients’ experiences, it’s a lot just to have the courage to speak publicly once and deal with the exposure in the media and post-traumatic stress they’re suffering from. It’s reliving the tragedy.

It would be very reasonable to expect that Mr. Campos has either been directed by his medical care providers or his family or from his own sense of balance to withdraw from public appearances at this point. I think we owe him the opportunity to get a couple of weeks behind him that will enable him to gather his strength and his emotional focus to be able to deal with these things. In our opinion, he’s a hero.

This is not the first time a person’s lack of desire to speak to the media has been misconstrued as that person being “missing.” For months in late 2016, online conspiracy theorists set about searching for signs of Eric Braverman, a former Clinton Foundation executive officer they believed had disappeared due to nefarious activity by the Clintons in an effort silence potential critics. After intense online speculation about his whereabouts, Braverman surfaced in mid-January 2017 to publicly announce he was taking on a new job.

Occam's razor?