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Sign up with GoogleMumbai: Explosion rocks centre - 28/11/2008 15:06
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blunomore
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Yawn.
Whats the point? You are obviously so blinkered as to be beyond hope.
More to the point what would you like me to counter? You have not provided even an iota of evidence to support your claim, just bigotry.
d0b33
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I'll support Blunomore in saying that it's not impossible for the US to be involved since they have brought down an Air India flight in the past.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir_Princess#CIA_involvement
But I personally don't believe that the US is involved with these recent attacks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir_Princess#CIA_involvement
But I personally don't believe that the US is involved with these recent attacks.
Lets see, an ex-marine selling a book and a defector, also selling a book. Those are some credible accounts there...
With all due respect blunomore, you have presented a far out argument with absolutely no justification, perhaps if you were able to back up your statement, your opinion would be taken more seriously.
d0b33
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I agree, more credible 'citation needed' but it may very likely be true.
ho hum, the usual mybb wagon.. A says "XYZ", B says "ABC" .. D says how crazy A could even think XYZ.. A provides a "citation" (usually wikipedia), then B says wiki-propoganda, round and round and round we go.. A still thinks they're right and B still thinks A's an idiot and circles and circles... anyone else realised this, or am i just searching..?
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It’s easy to look at incidents and relate it to ‘islamic terrorists’. But we shouldn’t forget where this all started and who started it. People conveniently contextualize history when it suits them, but forget the US involvement in all the regions that today harbour the same ‘terrorist’ organizations they pursue.
Attention is on the ‘islamic’ terrorists, but what about the Latin American ones, the South and East Asian’s and the African’s, who consist of other religious denominations and atheists. US interests have been targeted more by Latin American 'terrorists' prior to 911 than anyone else. They all obviously have the same erratic ‘agenda’ as the ‘fundamentalists’ and it has nothing to do with the innocent US foreign policy and operations. Waging war overtly and covertly against these countries for US interests, has never worked and only created more terrorism.
This whole incident in Mumbai smells of a similar flavour to the ‘Moscow Theatre Hostage’ crisis in 2002 where an independent investigation revealed embedded FSB agents orchestrating the operation, and left those investigating suddenly dying in normal circumstances, like gunshots to the head and radiation poisoning.
The US has been involved in countless covert operations that involved strikes on targets under the guise of someone else. These were commonly called ‘false flag’ operations. It even extended to hitting their own military facilities, hijacking planes and even operations on home soil. This is not a theory, that is documented fact, research it yourself. It’s ironic that some people dismiss Wiki and independent journalism so easily but readily accept any government and privately owned media’s reports, like CNN.
Take the Church report, an investigation into US involvement in Chile, which showed the use of development of ‘assets’ in various media formats to exercise views favorable to U.S. interests in the world, suppressed news items harmful to the United States, and producing material falsely purporting to be the product of a particular individual or group. (say it isn’t so).
“Press placements were attractive because each placement might produce a multiplier effect, being picked up and replayed by media outlets other than the one in which it originally came out.”
They went as far as secretly purchasing whole media outlets to further the campaign.
The CIA also funded progressively a greater portion -over 75 percent in 1973- of an opposition research organization. A steady flow of economic and technical material went to opposition parties and private sector groups. Many of the bills prepared by opposition parliamentarians were actually drafted by personnel of the research organization.
American business and the establishment of an interagency working group to coordinate overt and covert economic activities towards Chile (composed of the CIA, the State, the NSC, and Treasury), in order to adversely affect the Chilean economy.
All this to prevent a democratic election.
http://foia.state.gov/Reports/ChurchReport.asp
What about :
Gulf of Tonkin gave the US the impetus to wage war against Vietnam - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident - yes it’s a wiki link to summarise events but feel free to check the Freedom of Information Act declassification on the NSA website.
What about Operation Northwoods and Mongoose - proposed within the United States government in 1962, which called for CIA or other operatives to kill innocent people and commit apparent acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.
For a summary - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
(Find the declassified documents at the National Archives)
There’s Operation Washtub, Gladio, Ajax to name a few all available at the National Archives website or FOIA declassified documents.
These were just the few that was exposed and was given exposure years later when it's considered history and all is forgotten. What about the many operations we never found out about.
Attention is on the ‘islamic’ terrorists, but what about the Latin American ones, the South and East Asian’s and the African’s, who consist of other religious denominations and atheists. US interests have been targeted more by Latin American 'terrorists' prior to 911 than anyone else. They all obviously have the same erratic ‘agenda’ as the ‘fundamentalists’ and it has nothing to do with the innocent US foreign policy and operations. Waging war overtly and covertly against these countries for US interests, has never worked and only created more terrorism.
This whole incident in Mumbai smells of a similar flavour to the ‘Moscow Theatre Hostage’ crisis in 2002 where an independent investigation revealed embedded FSB agents orchestrating the operation, and left those investigating suddenly dying in normal circumstances, like gunshots to the head and radiation poisoning.
The US has been involved in countless covert operations that involved strikes on targets under the guise of someone else. These were commonly called ‘false flag’ operations. It even extended to hitting their own military facilities, hijacking planes and even operations on home soil. This is not a theory, that is documented fact, research it yourself. It’s ironic that some people dismiss Wiki and independent journalism so easily but readily accept any government and privately owned media’s reports, like CNN.
Take the Church report, an investigation into US involvement in Chile, which showed the use of development of ‘assets’ in various media formats to exercise views favorable to U.S. interests in the world, suppressed news items harmful to the United States, and producing material falsely purporting to be the product of a particular individual or group. (say it isn’t so).
“Press placements were attractive because each placement might produce a multiplier effect, being picked up and replayed by media outlets other than the one in which it originally came out.”
They went as far as secretly purchasing whole media outlets to further the campaign.
The CIA also funded progressively a greater portion -over 75 percent in 1973- of an opposition research organization. A steady flow of economic and technical material went to opposition parties and private sector groups. Many of the bills prepared by opposition parliamentarians were actually drafted by personnel of the research organization.
American business and the establishment of an interagency working group to coordinate overt and covert economic activities towards Chile (composed of the CIA, the State, the NSC, and Treasury), in order to adversely affect the Chilean economy.
All this to prevent a democratic election.
http://foia.state.gov/Reports/ChurchReport.asp
What about :
Gulf of Tonkin gave the US the impetus to wage war against Vietnam - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident - yes it’s a wiki link to summarise events but feel free to check the Freedom of Information Act declassification on the NSA website.
What about Operation Northwoods and Mongoose - proposed within the United States government in 1962, which called for CIA or other operatives to kill innocent people and commit apparent acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.
For a summary - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
(Find the declassified documents at the National Archives)
There’s Operation Washtub, Gladio, Ajax to name a few all available at the National Archives website or FOIA declassified documents.
These were just the few that was exposed and was given exposure years later when it's considered history and all is forgotten. What about the many operations we never found out about.
unsecluded
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oh sorry, didn't the link to the document from the US government website work?
Are you having trouble accessing the National Archives and the FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) website.
Are you having trouble accessing the National Archives and the FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) website.
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hmmm...depends what you consider benefit.
As for US possible interests in South and East Asia, there’s many documents, projects and studies which clearly map their interests and strategic goals for the region aside from their obvious prior involvements. A popular one is a plan for projected outcomes for that region ‘ASIA 2025’ - http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/rdroom.html
Some of their visions include:
“By 2020, the Central Asian/South Asian environment has changed fundamentally. Pakistan has disappeared. A regional superstate – the Indian Confederation – has emerged. The stabilization of Central Asia allows the construction of energy pipelines from Central Asia via Iran to the energy hungry sub-continent…Iran becomes the main transit country, and Karachi the main port…”
“ India becomes a hegemon and assumes new strategic importance. In such a world, the DOD should anticipate a heightened economic and strategic role in the region…”
“ India emerges throughout these scenarios as a potential partner of choice for the US to make each of these worlds more palatable for US interests.”
“The US could face pressure to rethink its anti-proliferation policy, as some states that acquire nuclear weapons may actually contribute to American National security goals.”
Whether the US is involved, who knows?
To believe without question that they can’t be, is clearly biased considering their history, future plans and empire methodology.
With 700 American military bases in 36 countries as of 2005 and the use of bombing campaigns (against more than 22 countries since the Second World War), (1945), Greece (1947–49), Korea (1950–53), Iran (1953), Guatemala (1954), Indochina (1954–73), Lebanon (1958), the Congo (1960–64), Cuba (1961), Indonesia (1965), the Dominican Republic (1965–66), Chile (1973), Angola (1976–92), Lebanon (1982–84), to name a few all to further American objectives sees the same classic empire strategies of the past that incorporate political pressure, taxation (petrodollar) and military presence. The primary goals have always included the opening up of investment opportunities to U.S. corporations and to allow such corporations to gain preferential access to crucial natural resources. Yes people can taunt and ridicule all they want, but it will be your ‘pleb’ children and their who will cry to ‘tin-foil hatters’ to rescue them from that which their father’s turned a blind eye to! Oh but wait, that’s just history again…
I leave this in the words of great US leaders:
“The spirit of this country is totally adverse to a large military force.” – Thomas Jefferson
“War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.” – Thomas Jefferson
Over grown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty.
George Washington
“The money power preys on the nation in times of peace, and conspires against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. It denounces, as public enemies, all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes.” - Abraham Lincoln
Allow the president to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such a purpose - and you allow him to make war at pleasure.
Abraham Lincoln
Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?
Abraham Lincoln
These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people.
Abraham Lincoln
"The executive has no right, in any case, to decide the question, whether there is or is not cause for declaring war."
James Madison
"War should only be declared by the authority of the people, whose toils and treasures are to support its burdens, instead of the government which is to reap its fruits."
James Madison
"Money, not morality, is the principle commerce of civilized nations."
Thomas Jefferson
"Any people that would give up liberty for a little temporary safety deserves neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
James Madison
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