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Hard to generate sympathy when these journalists were either quiet or actively pushing for banning of fellow journalists from the opposite side of the political spectrum.

Alright so just that we're clear now, free speech is out the window? We're all on board with private companies banning whomever they want? Shadowbanning of conservatives is no longer a concern?
 
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Alright so just that we're clear now, free speech is out the window? We're all on board with private companies banning whomever they want? Shadowbanning of conservatives is no longer a concern?

I was merely saying that I can't get worked up about these journalists being banned since they never stood up for the other side. Not even once. I have not commented on whether I think the bans are justified or not. I'm thinking through that issue now.
 

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I was merely saying that I can't get worked up about these journalists being banned since they never stood up for the other side. Not even once. I have not commented on whether I think the bans are justified or not. I'm thinking through that issue now.

It's not justified. No amount of whataboutism about libsoftiktok - which btw absolutely is hate speech - can make up for banning real journalists for doing nothing more than reporting about your activities. Especially when Elon was bleating this whole time about FREE SPEECH absolutism.
 

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I was merely saying that I can't get worked up about these journalists being banned since they never stood up for the other side. Not even once. I have not commented on whether I think the bans are justified or not. I'm thinking through that issue now.
I think you'll find the consensus here is that a private company like twitter absolutely, positively has the right to ban folks they deem in contravention of their terms of service, and the dripping irony is that's *exactly* the argument we lIbRuLs have been making for years to a chorus of conservative REEEEing so frantic and high pitched that only dogs could hear it.

I'm certainly not bemoaning the fact that QElon kicked any of 'em off his platform... It's his and he can do with it as he pleases.

His hypocrisy however deserves truckloads of scorn.
 

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His hypocrisy however deserves truckloads of scorn.
Funny you should mention that. WP just dropped this article.

It seems pretty fair - and what we've been saying. Moderation is hard, and old Twitter were not on top of it fairly. Under Musk it's falling to pieces:

Have posted whole article because paywall.


Over the past two weeks, a group of writers chosen by Elon Musk to review Twitter’s previously confidential internal messages have painted a picture in which a handful of unaccountable “trust and safety” executives made critical decisions about online political speech based partly on their own left-leaning intuitions. The “Twitter files” show the company’s former leaders, pre-Musk, at times changing or reinterpreting the company’s rules on the fly as they scrambled to react to election misinformation, covid-19 skepticism, and the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.


But there’s a glaring irony at the project’s core that its authors never acknowledge. If a lack of transparency, accountability, or consistency in the processes by which tech giants make far-reaching content moderation decisions is cause for alarm — and it should be — then there is no more egregious example than the one Musk himself has set since buying Twitter for $44 billion in October.
This week alone, Musk — who billed himself as a “free-speech absolutist” — permanently banned an account that had been tweeting public data about his private jet, creating a new, ad hoc policy to justify the move. Twitter then began suspending numerous other accounts, including that of rival social network Mastodon and those of several journalists who had criticized the previous suspensions, all without immediate explanation.


As social media sites like Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and TikTok have become dominant conduits of news and political debate, their role in shaping the contours of that debate has become contentious. Democratic leaders worry about how their algorithms may fuel extremism and conspiracy theories and call on them to rein in bigoted speech or viral falsehoods. Leading Republicans contend that they’re restricting Americans’ speech freedoms.
Both sides have introduced legislation to curb these perceived wrongs, and two GOP-led states have passed sweeping regulations that will be reviewed by the Supreme Court. Leaders from both parties are also pressuring the major platforms on whether to reinstate former president Donald Trump, as Musk recently did at Twitter, or to extend his suspension as he ramps up his next presidential run.
Twitter and other big social networks, including Facebook and YouTube, have developed thick rulebooks and added sophisticated systems to detect violations of their speech policies. But ample reporting over the years has shown that their biggest decisions — like suspending Trump — often hinge on the subjective calls of high-ranking executives.


At stake, in the broadest sense, is the role of social media in political discourse, and whether Silicon Valley tech firms can be trusted to fairly and judiciously wield their power over who gets heard in the modern public square.
Musk has said his purchase of Twitter, which is particularly influential among politicians and the media, was motivated by frustration with its policies and a desire to make it a haven for unfettered speech. He portrayed his decision to grant a handpicked group of writers special access to Twitter’s internal communication systems as a necessary reckoning with Twitter’s overly censorial past.
The writers include former New York Times opinion writer Bari Weiss and onetime Rolling Stone scribe Matt Taibbi, both of whom now write their own newsletters on Substack and have emerged as influential critics of the left and the mainstream media. With Musk’s backing, they’ve framed the files as part of broader narrative that tech giants are systematically “censoring” conservative views.


Whether you find the Twitter files a bombshell or a “nothingburger” probably depends on how much you already knew about the messy, often subjective work of online content moderation — and whether you were predisposed to see a political conspiracy at work in the documents.
There are a handful of interesting new details that should trouble right and left alike. Taibbi found that Twitter’s top content moderators were meeting on a weekly basis with multiple federal government agencies during the 2020 presidential campaign, whom they considered “partners” in flagging election misinformation for removal. That could raise First Amendment concerns, not to mention avenues for potential meddling in elections by the incumbent administration (in this case, the Trump administration).
Weiss devoted a thread to a series of moderation tools that Twitter called “visibility filtering” and critics dubbed “shadowbanning,” in which the company blocked some users’ tweets from appearing in search results or recommendations without telling them. While these tools’ existence was public, previously unpublished screenshots showed that company executives had more fine-grained controls at their disposal than they had acknowledged.
 

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But even with the writers presumably cherry-picking the juiciest excerpts they could find, there’s little evidence that the company’s content moderation decisions were guided by an explicitly partisan agenda. The screenshots mostly show Twitter officials earnestly wrestling with thorny questions of how to interpret and enforce their own policies, such as the policy against the publication of hacked materials, under which the company controversially blocked users from sharing a 2020 New York Post story about the contents of Hunter Biden’s laptop.
In contrast, the man who ordered this public autopsy of Twitter’s previous regime has shown himself in the first months of his ownership to be more capricious, self-interested, and partisan in his approach to online speech than his predecessors ever were.
Since launching his bid for Twitter in the spring, Musk has repeatedly contradicted himself as to how he would approach content moderation; dismantled the company’s internal and external accountability mechanisms; reversed long-standing policies without explanation; and used his power as owner to pursue petty personal vendettas. He has careened from claims that he would allow any legal speech to instituting sudden, sweeping bans on legal speech that had previously been allowed.


In his first days running Twitter, Musk said that he would convene a content moderation council before making major changes to the company’s speech policies or reinstating banned users. Weeks later, he began reinstating banned users en masse, including neo-Nazis and white supremacists, and rolled back the company’s policy against covid-19 misinformation without any apparent process. He reinstated Trump after holding an unscientific live poll of his own followers, a process that seemed designed mostly to gin up attention.
He never did convene a content moderation council, and on Monday he abruptly dissolved the company’s external Trust and Safety Council, which predated his takeover.
On Nov. 6, Musk tweeted that his commitment to “free speech” extended even to not banning a two-year-old account that tracked the movements of his private jet, using publicly available flight data. But on Thursday, Musk suspended that account without notice, then permanently banned it, along with the personal account of its 20-year-old author, whom he threatened to sue. Only after the initial suspension did he announce a new policy prohibiting Twitter users from tweeting the “live location” of other users without their consent — a policy that could have wide-ranging consequences, if enforced.


Twitter’s move on Thursday to suspend the accounts of several journalists, including Washington Post reporter Drew Harwell, took the company’s crackdown to a new level.
Last month, after a number of users changed their display names to “Elon Musk” to mock him, Musk announced that anyone impersonating another user without a “parody” label would be permanently banned.
And while the Twitter files strained to stitch together a case that the company’s previous leaders harbored a liberal bias, Musk has proudly allied himself with the right since taking over Twitter, even publicly encouraging Twitter users to vote Republican in the U.S. midterm elections.

Musk’s own casual disdain for any form of consistency or accountability in his own approach to content moderation belies the notion that the Twitter files were a genuine exercise in transparency. In the context of his leadership, they come across as a mixture of vindictive score-settling, a made-for-social-media reality show, and an attempt to distract from scrutiny of the personal digital fiefdom that Musk’s Twitter has quickly become.
 

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I think you'll find the consensus here is that a private company like twitter absolutely, positively has the right to ban folks they deem in contravention of their terms of service, and the dripping irony is that's *exactly* the argument we lIbRuLs have been making for years to a chorus of conservative REEEEing so frantic and high pitched that only dogs could hear it.

Don't bother. This is the cult of Trump. Hypocrisy is their bread and butter.
 

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Retarded brains on leftism can't even fathom my moral consistency.

The same leftoids that have zero self-awareness of their hypocrisy.

Fck Musk for banning plane trackers.
Fck Musk for banning journalists legally posting publicly (as far as I know) available info.
Fck Musk for banning Kanye.
Fck Musk for still not reinstating Alex Jones.

It's not hard to be consistent.

Leftoid brains, and I'm noticing a lot of rightoid brains recently, seem to have difficulty being consistent.

Example, rightoid cucks that loved the Twitter polls seem to hate that Now is winning...twice.
 

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Retarded brains on leftism can't even fathom my moral consistency.

The same leftoids that have zero self-awareness of their hypocrisy.

Fck Musk for banning plane trackers.
Fck Musk for banning journalists legally posting publicly (as far as I know) available info.
Fck Musk for banning Kanye.
Fck Musk for still not reinstating Alex Jones.

It's not hard to be consistent.

Leftoid brains, and I'm noticing a lot of rightoid brains recently, seem to have difficulty being consistent.

Example, rightoid cucks that loved the Twitter polls seem to hate that Now is winning...twice.
Hey, I can't stand Trump, but still voted yes to reinstate. A lot on the left did.
So I say no to Jones and yes to Trump. I think there are a few of us that don't like Trump that would still vote yes for him.
 

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Oh my god... The absolute pettiness of the man:


After being pressed by journalists over some of his inconsistencies, Musk abruptly left the conversation, and shortly after the entire Spaces feature itself started playing up.

At the time of writing, it’s not possible to start a new Spaces conversation or join an existing one, certainly based on the various tests TechCrunch has done internally. In response to one Twitter user wondering what was going on with Spaces, Musk replied that it was “fixing a legacy bug,” and that it should be working again tomorrow.

Whether Spaces returns tomorrow or not, Twitter’s recent grand proclamations around Twitter 2.0 and its “continued commitment to the public conversation” could not seem any less sincere when juxtaposed with the events of the past 24 hours.
 

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Hey, I can't stand Trump, but still voted yes to reinstate. A lot on the left did.
Alex Jones should be reinstated on Twitter.
He's been charged with zero crimes.

A bunch of salty parents winning a ridiculous emotionally-charged civil case means nothing to me.

That has nothing to do with him being on Twitter being able to tweet.

He wants to tweet things that get him chowed in civil court, good let him.
 

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Alex Jones should be reinstated on Twitter.
He's been charged with zero crimes.

A bunch of salty parents winning a ridiculous emotionally-charged civil case means nothing to me.

That has nothing to do with him being on Twitter being able to tweet.

He wants to tweet things that get him chowed in civil court, good let him.
I can't agree with Jones being reinstated. What he did was malicious, proven to be false, and did more than make a few parents salty. It ruined their already traumatised lives.
 

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Alex Jones should be reinstated on Twitter.
He's been charged with zero crimes.

A bunch of salty parents winning a ridiculous emotionally-charged civil case means nothing to me.

That has nothing to do with him being on Twitter being able to tweet.

He wants to tweet things that get him chowed in civil court, good let him.
I rarely agree with QElon on anything, but when I do it's about Alex Jones.

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