Musk Proposes to Buy Twitter for Original Price of $54.20 a Share

Pegasus

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Just wondering when do you believe a company should start turning a profit instead of trying to avoid taxes (ahem, sorry, instead of building market share or reinvesting in the business)?

I am basically asking you when should an investor start expecting a return on his investment?

5 years? 10 years? 20 years?

Depends on the business plan.

I will make things up here as an example.

If for example you had planned to start Tesla.
Maybe 0.5% of the cars on the road are electric.
You know that governments will require 40% of vehicles to be "carbon free" by 2040.

You have patents and technololgy to create these cars. You know that your ideas will be stolen and other companies will also start producing them, perhaps cheaper or faster.

Do you take it slow and steady like Old Mutual and pay out your 3% dividend every year, or do you go full steam ahead and try to get a huge chunk of that 40% for yourself?

Do you pay out any earnings to shareholders and also get taxed, or do you reinvest them into the business to keep growing? And for good measure then take out low interest loans to grow the business and write off the interest against profit. So the tax man helps you out as well.



To continue as an investor: You did notice Tesla's share price going up over the years even though it didn't look profitable?

Supposing today's Tesla share price is $1.07. The net asset value is only $0.45.
You're not going to buy that share right? It's over valued.

But now analysts are forcasting that the growth rate will be phenomenal.
In 10 years they will have a 5% market share of all new vehicles.
The share will be valued at around $220 then.

Still expensive? rather buy Old Mutual.

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Pegasus

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Since you know what a derail is, maybe use your quote where it is appropriate.

Or explain how it is a derail.
 

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@Pegasus

Just wondering when do you believe a company should start turning a profit instead of trying to avoid taxes (ahem, sorry, instead of building market share or reinvesting in the business)?

I am basically asking you when should an investor start expecting a return on his investment?

5 years? 10 years? 20 years?
Some never.

Just buying into a growth company for the increase in share price is the ROI in itself.

Now you're asking how much can a company grow and when will they mature. If you can answer that you can make a lot of money. Nobody knows, and there's no rule that says it needs to take 10 years or some nonsense.
 

Pegasus

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Some never.

Just buying into a growth company for the increase in share price is the ROI in itself.

Now you're asking how much can a company grow and when will they mature. If you can answer that you can make a lot of money. Nobody knows, and there's no rule that says it needs to take 10 years or some nonsense.

Yup. In the past it was slow and steady blue chip dividend paying stocks that you went for.

These days its the fast growing companies that don't pay dividends.
Your profit is from the sale of the shares (hopefully), not waiting for dividends.
 

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This entire argument around profit is really stupid.

The sustainable crowd is actually talking about cash flow and not profit in this context.
I doubt Elon cares about extracting as much profit as possible. He's stated reasons for buying twitter is not just to make money.

Maybe the Saudi prince cares about making money. Who knows.

Im sure Elon just wish to get to a point where twitter can meet all of its financial obligations and doesn't require continuous funding. But I'm sure it will be profitable.
 

quovadis

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The sustainable crowd is actually talking about cash flow and not profit in this context.

The reason why Twitter could sustain is that it could meet working capital requirements while not affecting revenue or access to working capital.


This entire argument around profit is really stupid.

I'm arguing that your assertion that the the greatest determinant of sustainability is net profit is idiotic.


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