Muslim Call to Christians

Balstrome

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To use an inappropriate phrase, this is a match made in heaven, wayfarer debating rza. I say Jihad within 15 posts.
 

rza

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Ok, then let's profess peace on the basis of what we can agree about in terms of what God (as in the one God that you believe in) says.

Now, imagine the Milky Way spiralling before your very eyes, round and round, your eyelids become so heavy...

read the letter, read the letter, read the letter, read the letter, read the letter, read the letter
I like this:
"So let our differences not cause hatred and strife between us. Let us vie with each other only in righteousness and good works. Let us respect each other, be fair, just and kind to another and live in sincere peace, harmony and mutual goodwill".

But as I said let's agree to disagree, and this peace pact should not come with a price of compromise. It would be compromise to ignore the fact that peaceful muslims say nothing when Christians lose their heads in public, they say nothing when muslims threaten to annihilate Israel. I want to see the writers of this peace pact condemning their fellow muslims when they endorse acts of violence, otherwise this is patronism.
 

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I have no issues with Muslims, they are good peaceful people, I just think they need to show their peaceful nature more in their own countries by leaving the heads of Christians in their own bodies. Do you know how many Christians lose their heads in Somalia eevry week? Muslims should do what we do with Roman Catholic church leadership and Westboro church - renounce them as hateful sinners who need repentance. Are you willing to call Ahmedijad a sinner who need repentance?
Do you know how many Muslim heads roll in Somalia as the result of persecution by other Muslims? Ever heard of the Hutus and Tutsis? Massacres took place. Both Christian groups. Violent poeple use ethnicity, economic beliefs or status, religion, nationality, political leanings, etc. as a pretext for fanatism and violence. rza, come let us play our small roles in helping to put an end to this. From our sides, no more hatred or animosity based on religion, and no more invocation of religion to support oppression or persecution. The fact that others do this does not justify us following sui. tOur religions differ, but we can at once amically debate those difference and express good neighbourliness. These two are not mutually exclusive. We share the same earth, dude.

Lees die brief my broer. :)
 

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On topic...

As much as I admire and agree with the sentiment of the letter, I hold no hope for peace as long as man exists.
 

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In your experience, do you think we are the same?
I don't think that's what Bals meant. I'd say you are the antithesis of rza, you bring light and reason where rza sows only confusion and bewilderment scattered with a few chuckles here and there.
 

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As much as I admire and agree with the sentiment of the letter, I hold no hope for peace as long as man exists.
I'm going to have to disagree with you on that. I would say that peace can not exist because of our current inability to control our desires, as well as all the easy ways to justify how we get what we want, eg religion, race differences etc etc. In essence, if everyone would just be logical about the whole matter peace would be the only logical outcome.
 

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I like this:
"So let our differences not cause hatred and strife between us. Let us vie with each other only in righteousness and good works. Let us respect each other, be fair, just and kind to another and live in sincere peace, harmony and mutual goodwill".

But as I said let's agree to disagree, and this peace pact should not come with a price of compromise. It would be compromise to ignore the fact that peaceful muslims say nothing when Christians lose their heads in public, they say nothing when muslims threaten to annihilate Israel. I want to see the writers of this peace pact condemning their fellow muslims when they endorse acts of violence, otherwise this is patronism.
Perhaps you have not noticed us saying anything. Anyway, there is a growing meomentum in Muslims condemning extremists who claim to be doing their mischief in the name of Islam.

Here Muslims become more decisive in cauterising the cancer: Recapturing Islam From the Terrorists

And here Muslims attempt to put the issue into context, that we may tackle it head-on: Bombing Without Moonlight
 

wayfarer

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As much as I admire and agree with the sentiment of the letter, I hold no hope for peace as long as man exists.
Do you think that, nevertheless, we should endeavour for this peace and not despair?
 

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As great as the message is on the letter. Sadly history tends to repeat it self. Our recorded history shows that people have no problems taking up arms for their faith. There is a common factor with our present time and our history. That would be faith in a god. Our current model of history stretches back six to seven thousand years. Our mythology stretches it up by thousands to hundreds of thousands of years. (depending on region/civilization)

What recorded history and mythology show to us is that when there is different sorts of faiths residing together there will always be conflict between the faiths. These conflicts usually lead to war between the believers or just plain genocide from the ruling faith.

Sure the message in the letter is great but history shows us it is all wishful thinking. For while the faiths exist there will always be a potential for the believers to clash.
 

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Do you think that, nevertheless, we should endeavour for this peace and not despair?
Endeavour away by all means, but I'd count more on seeing results in individuals, than the whole. I believe that people such as yourself, who believe whole-heartedly in such an endeavour, are better people for it.
 

Balstrome

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Personally I would like to see Muslim standing up at prayers and publicly denouncing Al-Queda and Jihad. Get the TV cameras in there, and do it across the world and in every mosque once a week. Then maybe the rest of the world will start to listen to the story of the peace and tolerance of Islam. Not until then.
 

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Do you know how many Muslim heads roll in Somalia as the result of persecution by other Muslims? Ever heard of the Hutus and Tutsis? Massacres took place. Both Christian groups. Violent poeple use ethnicity, economic beliefs or status, religion, nationality, political leanings, etc. as a pretext for fanatism and violence. rza, come let us play our small roles in helping to put an end to this. From our sides, no more hatred or animosity based on religion, and no more invocation of religion to support oppression or persecution. The fact that others do this does not justify us following sui. tOur religions differ, but we can at once amically debate those difference and express good neighbourliness. These two are not mutually exclusive. We share the same earth, dude.

Lees die brief my broer. :)
I live in peace with Muslims, so there's no issue for me to live in peace with anyone regardless of their religion, sexual orientation or race. Peace come naturally to me as a Christian, and it has to be evident in one's actions. I just don't think this peace pact makes sense when the same people who are spearheading it ignore certain issues of injustice and violence. All this noble muslims need to is raise their voices against injustices in muslims countries, and expose the religious leaders who are hypocritical in their application of the Koran. Then people like me will take them seriously, otherwise I'll be endorsing a cover-up of injustice. Let's talk about Christian hypocrisy and expose it, but let's not cover up muslim hypocrisy.

I'll start first. Westboro Baptists are the biggest nuisances in all the earth.
 

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Perhaps you have not noticed us saying anything. Anyway, there is a growing meomentum in Muslims condemning extremists who claim to be doing their mischief in the name of Islam.

Here Muslims become more decisive in cauterising the cancer: Recapturing Islam From the Terrorists

And here Muslims attempt to put the issue into context, that we may tackle it head-on: Bombing Without Moonlight
Good, and where are you guys condemning the murder of Christians?
 

rza

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Personally I would like to see Muslim standing up at prayers and publicly denouncing Al-Queda and Jihad. Get the TV cameras in there, and do it across the world and in every mosque once a week. Then maybe the rest of the world will start to listen to the story of the peace and tolerance of Islam. Not until then.
This is what I would like to see. Are muslims prepared to do it?
 
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