Muslim Judicial Council issues short fatwa on homosexuality

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The Muslim Judicial Council (MJC) has issued clarity on its view on homosexuality in a short fatwa, saying those engaging in same-sex actions have removed themselves from the fold of Islam.

The fatwa clarifies that Islam's primary sources of legislation are the Qur'an, Sunnah and Ijma – or scholarly consensus - all of which "unequivocally prohibit same-sex actions and, by extension, same-sex marriage".

The Council advised the Muslim community not to spread hatred. "The Muslim community should in no way ostracize them."The MJC noted that it's difficult to engage in a brief discussion of LGBTQ issues.

"It requires a multi-faceted discussion including religious, socio-political, educational and many other dimensions, which are beyond the ambit of a short fatwa," it said.

 

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Sigh...I really can't help myself but...

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All we need to test the resolve of the HRC is to find a same sex any religion couple that want to get married in a Muslim venue. Let's see the real level of tolerance in this country.
What is a “Muslim venue”? The only possible meaning for this phrase is a Mosque or associated location and I’m pretty sure no same-sex couple would want to get married there and would be very unlikely to press the issue. Of course I could be mistaken but I don’t recall reading about any cases where any South African same-sex couples have insisted upon getting married in any church, temple, mosque or other actual religious building with the services of a priest, cleric, rabbi or imam and have taken a refusal up with the HRC. Doing so would be against spirit of the constitution and should be discouraged anyway. People are entitled to their beliefs as long as they are not infringing on others because of them and the simple existence of a church, synagogue etc that doesn’t offer officiation of same-sex marriage is fine. I’m not sure that any reasonable person, gay or not, would expect the kind of tolerance you suggest we test for.

As for commercial operators whose primary business is to provide a location for weddings, receptions, birthdays, or functions in general and the like, a constitutional test is likely to determine that religion cannot be the basis of refusal of services. Basically, a commercial wedding venue cannot have a religion since those are for humans, not companies. If you own a business you must offer the services of said business to all persons equally. Duly registered churches, mosques etc are not the same as standard businesses. As far as I can tell none of the cases we’ve seen in SA have had anything to do with a church or religion and have had to do with commercial venues. They are not the same.

Having said this, I see no reason why the MJC felt the need to speak on the matter at all. I suppose it may be in response to recent articles about a gay imam and their affirming stance but the position of Islam on the topic is well known so speaking about it unless there has been a change in position seems a bit odd, unnecessary and possibly inflammatory.
EDIT: Some spelling errors.
 

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Doesn't sound any worse than what Christians in the West have to say about it and actually sounds more moderate that what many in the US seem to think
 

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Doesn't sound any worse than what Christians in the West have to say about it and actually sounds more moderate that what many in the US seem to think

You’re quite right there. Perhaps it’s a result of the Muslim folks in SA understanding to a degree what it means to navigate a diverse society as a minority themselves. Big-Christianity in the USA has the benefit of being “dominant” so has never learned to think in terms of balancing the rights of many.
 

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All we need to test the resolve of the HRC is to find a same sex any religion couple that want to get married in a Muslim venue. Let's see the real level of tolerance in this country.
How about make it any religious venue? Let's try a Catholic church or synagogue and compare notes
 

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..saying those engaging in same-sex actions have removed themselves from the fold of Islam.
You mean its that easy? No sacrificial offering, singing & dancing around a fire anti-clockwise 100 times times, or even 14 lashes of severance?

Adieu, bye-bye, adios, ciao, toodles, Godspeed (lol).. I consider this the best kind of parting. Now leave me tf alone.
 

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Anyone surprised by this? :sneaky:

Question, if a gay man or woman chooses to rather leave the faith because of their orientation and the faiths view of it, would they still be stoned or thrown off a building for being a apostate, or would they be stoned for being gay, or would they be stoned for both? So many choices. What a awesome religion.
 

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Anyone surprised by this? :sneaky:

Question, if a gay man or woman chooses to rather leave the faith because of their orientation and the faiths view of it, would they still be stoned or thrown off a building for being a apostate, or would they be stoned for being gay, or would they be stoned for both? So many choices. What a awesome religion.
You mean of all gay men in ZA, not a single one comes from Islamic background/family?

South African Muslims are moderate compared to their ME brothers. I don't think they subscribe to Sharia but I'll leave this to them to verify. My opinion and judgement may be completely off.
 

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How about make it any religious venue? Let's try a Catholic church or synagogue and compare notes
Progressives already view any Christian as an oppressor, so it wouldn't tell you much.

Now getting a synagogue or a mosque to do it? Well that would be interesting because Muslims, and to a lesser extent Jews are protected classes under progressivism.
 
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