Muslim Waitress sues over 'sexy' dress

[adamr]

I think this one was highlighted because of the hypocritical stance of the woman. That is the newsworthy part. If it was a Muslim woman who refused to work in a bar because they serve alcohol it would not have made the news.

just in general if you look at many news headlines ... and you have to agree with me on this ... mention is always made if it is Muslim ... not of other religions or beliefs and this is my issue ...

 

[LazyLion]

true she is a hypocrite ... the world is filled with them ... be it Christian, Muslim, Hindu, atheist, Jewish etc ... don't make it just a Muslim thing ... read my post above with Christian pornstars ...

I agree that there are many hypocrites in the world. Whose camp do you think they are in? God's or the devils? The good guys or the bad guys? The morally upright or the liars and deceivers?

This article happens to be about a Muslim woman. It is newsworthy because there is a discrepancy between her traditions and her requirements for work. So what? Nobody is picking on the Muslims. We are picking on her because of her selective behaviour.

 

[LazyLion]

just in general if you look at many news headlines ... and you have to agree with me on this ... mention is always made if it is Muslim ... not of other religions or beliefs and this is my issue ...

No, I don't agree. I think we may be noticing more of them because Islamic issues are so much in the news these days with the conflict of cultures, but if you look hard enough or wide enough you will find articles covering all kinds of cultures and religions. Recently the Buddhists were in the news in China because of their protests against the Olympics. I think you just want to make this an issue of the news people picking on a Religion... when I think they are just picking on a hypocrite ... who happens to be a Muslim.

 

[charlie_82]

I agree with CathyJ's post from the first thread...

I think the fact she's Muslim is actually irrelevant - if someone said I had to wear a strapless, open backed dress with a low neckline to work, I'd refuse.

It's not like she wore it, then complained about having to wear it. She tried it on, refused to wear it, and was fired. That's wrong.

Oh, and they never told her that would be a condition of the job when she started - she wore clothes she was happy with for a week.

After 9/11, Islam has been very sensationalised.
Cases like this have been going on forever, but only recently do people make a huff when someone says I can't do XYZ because I'm muslim

 

[LazyLion]

I agree with CathyJ's post from the first thread...


After 9/11, Islam has been very sensationalised.
Cases like this have been going on forever, but only recently do people make a huff when someone says I can't do XYZ because I'm muslim

Yes, that would be fine... if she had left it an issue of personal modesty... but by appealing to her faith she made it an issue of traditions...

I was brought up a Muslim, and am not used to wearing sexually attractive clothes

She states the reason for her discomfort is her Muslim traditions. She should then be consistent and stick by ALL of the muslim traditions... or she should have just left her faith out of it and said the dress was just immodest for her.

 

[adamr]

No, I don't agree. I think we may be noticing more of them because Islamic issues are so much in the news these days with the conflict of cultures, but if you look hard enough or wide enough you will find articles covering all kinds of cultures and religions. Recently the Buddhists were in the news in China because of their protests against the Olympics. I think you just want to make this an issue of the news people picking on a Religion... when I think they are just picking on a hypocrite ... who happens to be a Muslim.

"Islam has been very sensationalised" ... this is exactly the point ...

.. just on this here forum there are two posts on "Muslim" people ... on the 1st page ... maybe find me negative press on a jewish person, christian, or any other .... take your blinkers off ... i disagree with you dude ... plenty of media will highlight that it is a Muslim person if it is negative press

.... ive always seen the words "Muslim terrorist", never "Christian terrorist" or "Jewish fundamentalist" ... so much so that if you hear the word "terrorist" you associate it with Muslims ... thanks to the media ... everyone even Muslims themselves associate that word with Islam and Muslims ...

Look the media is doing a great job with negative press be it on Muslims or Islam and face it you guys do see Islam in a negative vain ... be honest ...

so a media coverage on some Muslim lady refusing to wear a sexy dress will be like wow: "These muslim people have double standards" ... it is not just about one individual in the end its about the Muslim community ...

 

[brixton tower]

She states the reason for her discomfort is her Muslim traditions. She should then be consistent and stick by ALL of the muslim traditions... or she should have just left her faith out of it and said the dress was just immodest for her.

Refer to my initial post on this thread.

Muslim "traditions" are open to interpretation...not all Muslims have a singular "tradition"...she's from the Balkans...Muslim traditions there are probably more "open-minded" then for instance those in a place like Peshawar, Pakistan.

Even though she might be not be a fundamentalist muslim, she deserves the right to draw a line when it comes to her values...An employer cannot tell her what her traditions/values are by forcing her to wear a dress.

 

[LazyLion]

No, I disagree. I suspect you are not very widely read. There are Christian "terrorists" in Indonesia who also perform atrocities. I have read much criticism of Christianity and other religions on this very board. Perhaps you should stick around and read more?

 

[adamr]

No, I disagree. I suspect you are not very widely read. There are Christian "terrorists" in Indonesia who also perform atrocities. I have read much criticism of Christianity and other religions on this very board. Perhaps you should stick around and read more?

ok i give up ... sigh

EDIT: get me a headline to prove your point ... "Indonesian Christian terrorists" ... in the headline ... maybe i have not been watching TV lately or news not big enough ... certainly not enough media on it to be honest

 

[LazyLion]

Refer to my initial post on this thread.

Muslim "traditions" are open to interpretation...not all Muslims have a singular "tradition"...she's from the Balkans...Muslim traditions there are probably more "open-minded" then for instance those in a place like Peshawar, Pakistan.

Even though she might be not be a fundamentalist muslim, she deserves the right to draw a line when it comes to her values...An employer cannot tell her what her traditions/values are by forcing her to wear a dress.

Then she should not appeal to her traditions as her justification. She should have just left that out of it completely. If nobody knows what she actually believes or what rules she does or does not follow, then she can simply wheedle out of anything by saying "oh that one is a tradition, but that one is not".

The simple fact is the at if she wanted to work at a Bar she should have had a reasonable expectation of what that would entail.

 

[d0b33]

"Islam has been very sensationalised" ... this is exactly the point ...

.. just on this here forum there are two posts on "Muslim" people ... on the 1st page ... maybe find me negative press on a jewish person, christian, or any other .... take your blinkers off ... i disagree with you dude ... plenty of media will highlight that it is a Muslim person if it is negative press

.... ive always seen the words "Muslim terrorist", never "Christian terrorist" or "Jewish fundamentalist" ... so much so that if you hear the word "terrorist" you associate it with Muslims ... thanks to the media ... everyone even Muslims themselves associate that word with Islam and Muslims ...

Look the media is doing a great job with negative press be it on Muslims or Islam and face it you guys do see Islam in a negative vain ... be honest ...

so a media coverage on some Muslim lady refusing to wear a sexy dress will be like wow: "These muslim people have double standards" ... it is not just about one individual in the end its about the Muslim community ...

+1
My sentiments exactly...

 

[charlie_82]

We are picking on her because of her selective behaviour.

She states the reason for her discomfort is her Muslim traditions. She should then be consistent and stick by ALL of the muslim traditions... or she should have just left her faith out of it and said the dress was just immodest for her.

But then what about Christians (sorry, I picked this religion cos I'm not entirely clued up on the other religions) who believe it's wrong to murder someone but will commit adultery? Doesn't everyone have double standards?

No, I disagree. I suspect you are not very widely read. There are Christian "terrorists" in Indonesia who also perform atrocities. I have read much criticism of Christianity and other religions on this very board. Perhaps you should stick around and read more?

That maybe be so but every time one of em sneezes, it doesn't make global news...

 

[charlie_82]

The simple fact is the at if she wanted to work at a Bar she should have had a reasonable expectation of what that would entail.

I know people who work/have worked in bars and never did any one of them have to swear a skanky outfit... So in all fairness, I don't think anyone could've anticipated this dresscode

 

[adamr]

But then what about Christians (sorry, I picked this religion cos I'm not entirely clued up on the other religions) who believe it's wrong to murder someone but will commit adultery? Doesn't everyone have double standards?



That maybe be so but every time one of em sneezes, it doesn't make global news...

+1 ... agree with charlie

thats just it ... no one is saying the woman is right, she is totally wrong for having double standards, but for it to make some news article is absurd .... unless the Author wants to stir negativity again about Muslim/Islamic culture in general ... they are many people doing much worst ... like the example Charlie quoted ... so why no news on those ...

 

[brixton tower]

The simple fact is the at if she wanted to work at a Bar she should have had a reasonable expectation of what that would entail.

From what I read, reasonable expectation did not include peer pressure into wearing a uniform that she was uncomfortable with.

Just imagine, you're a salesman...you work for a company that sells to women...your colleagues then dress up as male whores to close more sales...can you then be forced to follow suit even if you contract of employment does not stipulate the new "dress code"?

 

[marine1]

Poster had agenda/bias from the start and deserved to be closed.

Comments like these have no place here, seems some usual suspects complained.

 

[marine1]

how come do i never see thread starting as "Christian woman refuses to wear sexy dress"

has to always be a Muslim thing ... sigh

I think you just answered your own question. Seems that she had to cry foul over something

 

[CathJ]

This is ridiculous. We had a nice, balanced thread where both sides of this were being discussed rationally.

That gets closed, and we get this one-sided bigoted thread in response. So much for all the rational points that were made in the other thread.

And yes, I have RBP'd it, twice.

 

[LazyLion]

From what I read, reasonable expectation did not include peer pressure into wearing a uniform that she was uncomfortable with.

Just imagine, you're a salesman...you work for a company that sells to women...your colleagues then dress up as male whores to close more sales...can you then be forced to follow suit even if you contract of employment does not stipulate the new "dress code"?

seems like pretty much everyone in this thread agreed that there was nothing really wrong with the dress. If you want to wear Muslim garb, then find a job that will accommodate such dress, but don't apply for a cocktail waitress. That is just ludicrous.

 

[marine1]

seems like pretty much everyone in this thread agreed that there was nothing really wrong with the dress. If you want to wear Muslim garb, then find a job that will accommodate such dress, but don't apply for a cocktail waitress. That is just ludicrous.

Maybe we should start implementing strict law like Iran and Syria in these countries and if anyone speaks out, they are jailed and killed, then lets see what everyone has to say