My daughter's boss is forcing her to take anti-depressants

[RiaX]

Oh dear - a 'pure' scientist - if you can't paint it blue and roll it down the corridor it doesn't exist.

These purely behaviorist arguments were debunked more than 20 years ago.

Human behavior and personality is a combination of nature+nurture+ongoing experience.

then prove it now. The ability that you are able to co-ordinate your muscles with your vision is learnt in childhood. It is no different for the brain as it optimizes its own synapses. Why do you think a teenager is so moody ? and indecisive when compared to an adult ?

you working with out dated science not wrong science. As you said 20 years ago. 20 years ago we knew jack about the human brain

 

[rubytox]

No dont get me wrong im not saying ruby is a bad parent all im saying is that i agree with celine that what parents do in childhood will resonate through adulthood. Fortunately humans are never to old to learn so it cant be sorted out with serious talk.

In my books if you as a parent provide food, clothes, education and your child ends up with a job and not breaking the law as a young adult then you a sucessful parent and nobody can take that away from you. Its ludicrous to think that a parent knows everything and is suppose to train a perfect child - that will never happen. Though the point is that if you missed that something in your parenting its your responsibility to put it.

At what point does the parent's responsibility to put it <right> come to an end?

 

[AfricanTech]

No dont get me wrong im not saying ruby is a bad parent all im saying is that i agree with celine that what parents do in childhood will resonate through adulthood. Fortunately humans are never to old to learn so it cant be sorted out with serious talk.

In my books if you as a parent provide food, clothes, education and your child ends up with a job and not breaking the law as a young adult then you a sucessful parent and nobody can take that away from you. Its ludicrous to think that a parent knows everything and is suppose to train a perfect child - that will never happen. Though the point is that if you missed that something in your parenting its your responsibility to put it.

Lol, has never raised a child to adulthood.

No offense RiaX, but you don't have the tshirt - that is all fine in theory - real life parenting is very, very different.

Come talk in 20 years when you have an adult kid who in spite of perfect upbringing from you does something dumb.

Good luck (sincerely said)

 

[xodosman123]

There must be a reason trust me it's not easy to deal with a Situation and to ask on the forums for advice is silly rather get expert advice really if she needs it rather have someone taking control because a day skipped can be he'll as well as some people just take more than that is required.

 

[AfricanTech]

then prove it now. The ability that you are able to co-ordinate your muscles with your vision is learnt in childhood. It is no different for the brain as it optimizes its own synapses. Why do you think a teenager is so moody ? and indecisive when compared to an adult ?

you working with out dated science not wrong science. As you said 20 years ago. 20 years ago we knew jack about the human brain

Horse manure - theory is theory - there is nothing definitively proven about the brain and how flexible or inflexible the wiring is (granted we know quite inflexible on the level of autonomic responses or on critical periods for language development) but there is nothing proven in the areas of higher brain functioning

Otherwise we'd be able to turn put perfectly adjusted humans right now.

We know a helluva lot less than we think we know.

 

[nfbs]

We are all a bit messed up doesnt mean we translate that to the work environment. Don't blame rubytox or the daughter as you don't know the exact circumstances. Yes juniors can be arrogant but just as easily seniors can be douches that's why office politics is toxic.

Arguing about various psychological science school of thought just derails this thread.

 

[AfricanTech]

At what point does the parent's responsibility to put it <right> come to an end?

When your kid leaves home 8)

 

[rubytox]

There must be a reason trust me it's not easy to deal with a Situation and to ask on the forums for advice is silly rather get expert advice really if she needs it rather have someone taking control because a day skipped can be he'll as well as some people just take more than that is required.

Correction: I'm not asking for advise.

By posting this on a public forum, I am hoping to create awareness of this type of situation occurring in the workplace. Managers should know better and employees should know their rights. Managers and employees should know the boundaries of a professional relationship.

My daughter is an adult. We discussed the issue at length. Of course I do not have the full picture. I have one version of the situation. However, that does not concern me. What concerns me is that a manager has, in some way, convinced my daughter to obtain a prescription for an anti-depressant. What concerns me even more, is that this manager keeps the meds in her drawer and administers the medication every day. On weekends, she sends my daughter home with 2 tablets. It's ludicrous, unthinkable, unbelievable. I don't care about the manager's reasons for doing this.

I cannot find any justification for a manager to diagnose and manipulate a young woman into admitting that she is depressed and in need of medication.

 

[Celine]

Such naïveté can only come from people who don't have adult offspring.

Adults make their own minds - that's why they're called adults.

BS children are moulded from their parents from a young age, this happens from ages 2 - 5. children who reach their teenage years and early adulthood and start displaying negative behavior in any environment is a reflection on how their parents taught them in those years and how and what the child witnessed in those years. it's fact. if you behave negatively in front of your child expect your child to do so in their older years.

 

[Celine]

I think its a bit kark that this is now all a result of bad parenting. amazing the conclusion that gets formulated from a minute snapshot of someone's life.

it's not a case of bad parenting, its a case of mirroring what the parent does. monkey see, monkey do.

 

[RiaX]

At what point does the parent's responsibility to put it <right> come to an end?

when you dead lol

 

[Celine]

Lol, has never raised a child to adulthood.

No offense RiaX, but you don't have the tshirt - that is all fine in theory - real life parenting is very, very different.

Come talk in 20 years when you have an adult kid who in spite of perfect upbringing from you does something dumb.

Good luck (sincerely said)

you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure this one out. you just have to look at the kids in the schools today to see what the parents are teaching their own child/ren to do.

 

[RiaX]

Horse manure - theory is theory - there is nothing definitively proven about the brain and how flexible or inflexible the wiring is (granted we know quite inflexible on the level of autonomic responses or on critical periods for language development) but there is nothing proven in the areas of higher brain functioning

Otherwise we'd be able to turn put perfectly adjusted humans right now.

We know a helluva lot less than we think we know.

Ah one of those that assume theory is theory and its all nonsense until it becomes fact. Well I asked you to prove it you havent done so. You have no idea how the body works or how the brains works or how behavior works.

Define what you mean by higher functions ? even what you think are simple tasks are actually high end functions of the brain. Ironically the "low end" functions are things you arent aware of like your heart beat and your smooth muscle contractions and breathing you know those essential things that you need to live.

Human behavior is "theory" as you call it because there is no standardise model. So you have to look at simpler models that are common in all like hunger and survival and so on. Im still waiting for you to debunk the science of the brain. You can call horse manure but I call ignorance

 

[RiaX]

Lol, has never raised a child to adulthood.

No offense RiaX, but you don't have the tshirt - that is all fine in theory - real life parenting is very, very different.

Come talk in 20 years when you have an adult kid who in spite of perfect upbringing from you does something dumb.

Good luck (sincerely said)

sigh. Any idiot can become a parent. A good parent is judged by how their child turns out. Children will do dumb things that is obvious that is when you need to be a parent and set things straight. A parents job doesnt end with potty training and dippier changing or with a good report card from school.

Its shocking you have adult kids and you dont understand these things. Of course its different in practice however the goal is the same, the thing that changes is the method of which you achieve the goal and I have not commented on any methods.

Just BTW I understand how to control kids and sort them out medical practioners are trained on that to handle paediatric patients. All medical practioners from nurses to Drs ot physios to pharmacists. We also trained in advising parents so that when a parent does ask us questions we can actually tell them decent advice.

I will admit I do not have the tips and the bag of tricks that you gain from first hand experience though.

 

[nfbs]

You guys are bordering on being sanctimonious . **** happens it doesn't necessarily mean it is someone in the family's fault.

 

[Sherbang]

So when an adult commits a crime why don't we hold their parents responsible? If it's all their fault, surely they should be punished?

Anyway, there are plenty of examples of people who grew up with bad parents, in bad circumstances who grow up to be wonderful adults who inspire and excel and likewise, examples of people who grow up in decent, loving families who end up as junkies or criminals. Not everything can be blamed on the parents.

“There is an expiry date on blaming your parents for steering you in the wrong direction; the moment you are old enough to take the wheel, responsibility lies with you.”
― J.K. Rowling

 

[RiaX]

So when an adult commits a crime why don't we hold their parents responsible? If it's all their fault, surely they should be punished?

im sure bin laden's dad was a stellar fellow lol

 

[Sherbang]

im sure bin laden's dad was a stellar fellow lol

Do you mean Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden, who, while poor and uneducated, started his own construction business; who eventually achieved such success that his family became known as "the wealthiest non-royal family in the kingdom" ? Peculiar that only one of his sons ended up a terrorist, considering that they were all brought up together then. Some of his other sons continued to expand their late father's company until it employed more than 40,000 people.

Yes, I agree. Stellar by anybodies standards but kinda disproves the point you were trying to make.

 

[RiaX]

lol pwnt

 

[AfricanTech]

Trying not to hijack Ruby's thread -

@RiaX - I bow to your superior theory - one day when you have your own children we'll see if all that theory they taught you at medical school helps you raise your own kids as opposed to giving other people advice.

Like I said, good luck. Oh, and I withdraw the "horse manure" bit of my previous comment - that was immature of me and detracted from the point that we are very far from fully understanding how everything works - if we were anywhere near there would be no mental diseases.

@Ruby, good luck with your situation - hope your daughter works her way out of the tough spot she is in.