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My thoughts and comments on iBurst


From some testing, research and generally bashing around I'd like to venture the following concerning iBurst...


Background (basics):

The iBurst system makes use of multiple towers with multiple antennas on each tower. The signalling system employed allows the tower or the modem to decide on a different path for packets to flow. This is based on numerous factors such as tower load, distance signal has travelled and quality of signal.

The iBurst system also supports semi-transparent handover between towers (base stations), similar to the way cell phones work (except that there is a momentary halt of traffic).

All in all, a well thought out and effective system


Why are many complaining about the speed?

There are numerous factors here…


Firstly the ones that the helpdesk are quick to mention:
Upstream Providers

From testing done by me and many others on the forum it is quite obvious that international has deteriorated over the past weeks. A large part of the problem lies with the IS & UUNet, both have indicated problems on their Network Notices with their international peering partners.

I have specifically not mentioned lack of international bandwidth as problem as I don’t believe iBurst have yet saturated their capacity.


Usage Patterns

While the service has been touted as broadband service, iBurst has themselves geared the service for “corporate” use:
http://www.iburst.co.za/technology_overview.php
The iBurst service provides the user with continuous, high-speed connectivity to their corporate services or the Internet

Australia initially also punted the “broadband” aspect of the service… Of late however the packages offered by many of those providers have now also changed to a more corporate road-warrior style service.

What does all this mean? Simple, the service is not suited to continuous HIGH bandwidth solutions like p2p. This is due to the way the signalling works… Those with good signals close to the tower will invariably be able to get better service than those with poorer signals… If those users are thrashing the tower with continuous downloads the aggregate available bandwidth (Kyocera indicates 20Mbs per base station) for other users is reduced.

Those users at the edge of the coverage areas will know the pain I explained above, between 8:15am and 23:30 service is often almost unusable with numerous disconnects and general slow throughput.

Even the product name implies the usage it’s suited to … iBurst … bursts of traffic …


Tower Contention

This is what most of us suspect is the root of the slow general throughput experienced by some users … This may however not be completely accurate… While many users do contend for the services of one tower some users are happy, others less so. The reason behind this goes back to the way the iBurst network handles signalling… Those further (poorer return signal) use a different modulation than those closer to the tower. This means that users at the edge get fewer opportunities to actually send/receive data.


Tower Hunting

Many have seen the “Christmas Tree” effect on our modems … 5lights … 0lights …5lights. This is due to the fact that while our modems receive a strong signal from the tower it often struggles to get a signal back to the tower. When the modem detects that data isn’t getting back to the tower it actively tries to hand over to another tower…often with the same return path problem … The modem must then switch back to the “poor” tower in order to get any connectivity.


Conclusions

Those of us who made it through the MyWireless experience will read the above and grin … this is exactly what happened to Sentech’s network… Too many users per tower; Modems handing off to out-of-reach towers…

To fix the problems requires more towers – Until more towers go live things are just going to get worse and worse as the number of users on the iBurst network grows.

What is needed is a public admission by WBS’s executive that there ARE problems. They need to provide their users with a roadmap on how they are going to fix things … Otherwise they are headed for a Sentech-like roller-coaster.

As much as I hate saying it, Telkom’s ADSL service is currently the only true broadband in this county !


Any comments, corrections or feedback ?
 

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Guys,

Let's try and keep this thread on topic ... I know it's hard ... but please ;-)

R
 

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regardtv said:
Even the product name implies the usage it’s suited to … iBurst … bursts of traffic …
This is the one factor that most users probably missed before signing up.
regardtv said:
Many have seen the “Christmas Tree” effect on our modems … 5lights … 0lights …5lights. This is due to the fact that while our modems receive a strong signal from the tower it often struggles to get a signal back to the tower. When the modem detects that data isn’t getting back to the tower it actively tries to hand over to another tower…often with the same return path problem … The modem must then switch back to the “poor” tower in order to get any connectivity.
This seems to be more likely to happen during heavy loading of the connection (eg during a local speed test), at least in my experience when my UTD was positioned in a bad location.
regardtv said:
What is needed is a public admission by WBS’s executive that there ARE problems. They need to provide their users with a roadmap on how they are going to fix things … Otherwise they are headed for a Sentech-like roller-coaster.
The one serious error on WBS's side: mushroom treatment and alienation of users!
 

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regardtv, on the whole interesting theories that are probably correct or near correct :).
regardtv said:
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Tower Hunting

Many have seen the “Christmas Tree” effect on our modems … 5lights … 0lights …5lights. This is due to the fact that while our modems receive a strong signal from the tower it often struggles to get a signal back to the tower. When the modem detects that data isn’t getting back to the tower it actively tries to hand over to another tower…often with the same return path problem … The modem must then switch back to the “poor” tower in order to get any connectivity.
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From what I experienced back in November 2004 through to March 2005 with Bryanston-BS, and not taking into account changes in firmware, the deranged traffic light / disco lights / christmas tree effect was IMO in my specific case not due to an attempted tower-handover - back in November/December there was no other tower to hand me over to - topography is such that I just couldn't have been getting a signal from anything other than Bryanston-BS, and WBS' Helpdesk confirmed that Bryanston-BS was the only BS my UTD ever talked to - not surprising though since my UTD cannot transmit a strong enough signal to say Northcliff-BS or Sandton-BS [when in Bryanston].

Also, I have not experienced the disco lights on my UTD since I started using Olivedale-BS - and the effects of contention for local sites both when capped & non-capped are fairly obvious...
 

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slimothy said:
and.. what was the topic?

Fair enough ... "on topic" imo would be discussion surrounding my opinion as indicated above ... if I'm wrong or off target with the whole iBurst situation please correct/supplement the info I have...

I'd like to turn this into a discsussion document to send out to some of the customer's Ive referred to iBurst ... the same ones I now need to move to ADSL :mad:

Hey, maybe one of the editor types on here can turn this into a useful article for prosprective iBurster ...
 

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ic said:
back in November/December there was no other tower to hand me over to - topography is such that I just couldn't have been getting a signal from anything other than Bryanston-BS, and WBS' Helpdesk confirmed that Bryanston-BS was the only BS my UTD ever talked to

A few comments ... I am on the edge of Northcliff reception and I've seen my UTD pick up tower announcements for Kyalami, CMD, Sandton, Rosebank, Olivedale & Randburg ... some of these are 15km away ...

My UTD's tried to associate with some of them ....

From what I understand the Helpdesk can only tell you which tower you successfully USED ... ie failed handovers are not shown...
 

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regardtv said:
Conclusions

Those of us who made it through the MyWireless experience will read the above and grin … this is exactly what happened to Sentech’s network… Too many users per tower; Modems handing off to out-of-reach towers…

To fix the problems requires more towers – Until more towers go live things are just going to get worse and worse as the number of users on the iBurst network grows.

What is needed is a public admission by WBS’s executive that there ARE problems. They need to provide their users with a roadmap on how they are going to fix things … Otherwise they are headed for a Sentech-like roller-coaster.

As much as I hate saying it, Telkom’s ADSL service is currently the only true broadband in this county !


Any comments, corrections or feedback ?

I have no "enjoyment" out of seeing this happen (contary to what some iBurst users may think), it just shows me that yet another Wireless solution has failed to think through what their target market is.

Case in point - the guy who downloaded 82gig - the reason he is on their network is that there are no other services available to him.

iBurst have failed to understand that there is a big section of the market - the geek set - who want broadband for other than business services.

Sentech did exactly the same thing.

They want to force their users into a single channel, I'm sorry WBS, but life doesn't work that way.

Lets take streaming audio - you could use 20gig a month just listening to 192 steaming audio 12 hours a day !

Companies in this country have failed to see what broadband really entails and they only see it in black and white - forgetting about the legal use of broadband - streaming audio/video, legal p2p files like Linux distributions, Open source applications etc.

Anyway, I'm straying off subject.

To finalise, WBS have done exactly what Sentech did before them.

They have failed to read what people really want out of broadband and are now on the back foot - just wait for them to blame the "abusers" again for their lack of service.
 

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regardtv said:
A few comments ... I am on the edge of Northcliff reception and I've seen my UTD pick up tower announcements for Kyalami, CMD, Sandton, Rosebank, Olivedale & Randburg ... some of these are 15km away ...

My UTD's tried to associate with some of them ....

From what I understand the Helpdesk can only tell you which tower you successfully USED ... ie failed handovers are not shown...
I agree, but how are you debugging the tower announcements? - I know there is some stuff to be seen in Ethereal, but I'm not up to speed on PPPoE as a protocol & what the packet contents actually mean - I have seen MTU / MSS info in there but that's as far as I looked...

Personally I have decided that WBS' implementation of iBurst is going to keep disappointing me, and I have just set an installation date [2005-08-05] for HomeDSL192 which I will get with a 5GB ISP account, and then I won't be in a flatspin everytime pings rocket off the charts & I cannot use Skype or any number of other problems that happen daily with iBurst...
 

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regardtv - this is slightly off topic so please excuse me. Can you please tell me what is the maximum range an iBurst modem can connect to a tower. Even assuming the modem has a fat gain antenna connected and pointed directly to the tower. Thanks.
 

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the max range is 15KM radius around the tower but in ideal conditions further may be reached. also don't assume closer is better, ive found my best performance was 8KM away from empty towers.
 

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OK thanks for the answer - but please sir I want more.

What I'm looking for is the cut-off range determined by the signal timing. For instance, if you take IPWireless (Sentech), they can set the cut-off at two values on the tower, the short range is 5.something km, and the long range is 29 km. This range is dependent on the time window allocated at the tower waiting for a signal from the modem to return. This is what I mean by signal timing.

So let's say I'm 20 km away from the tower, and a put up a say 25dBi dish pointing straight at the tower, will I be able to connect. Thanks
 
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CyberMatix said:
regardtv - this is slightly off topic so please excuse me. Can you please tell me what is the maximum range an iBurst modem can connect to a tower. Even assuming the modem has a fat gain antenna connected and pointed directly to the tower. Thanks.

This would depend on WBS actually... during the early days towers were in "long-range" mode and I connected to Sandton - 13km away ..

These days 6-7km are bandied about as the maximum usable distance
 

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Kei said:
no comment

As always your constructive input would be valued ....

You and I have had our differences ... mainly because you fail to see other people's point of view and their experiences.

If you find flawed logic or information, please provide us with your wisdom, I'm sure many would appreciate a more complete picture than than the one I've painted.
 

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mainly because you fail to see other people's point of view and their experiences

Please don't insult me and say I am like Peter Chodacki!
 

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I agree with everything you said

The problem:

Wbs bugeted on the current allocation of towers/area/ppl so they are delaying the announcement and trying to hide the problem while also trying to fix it without wasting money.

I have heard that they are stopping further expansion until the problems are fixed in JHB. I hope this means they spend the money they had for expansion on setting up new strategically placed towers in JHB.
 
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