My view of D3 is changing it seems...

[Archer]

Leveling is a definite - getting items works on percentages. That's my point.

That is fair point, you were guaranteed a power boost D2 with more xp, D3 you are not as the items could be worse than what you've already got. And I would suspect that the time it would take to "level" a gear based character is longer than an xp based one.

edit: although hitting 90+ D2 took as little as 3 days if you were keen, which puts you right back into the gear based levelling again, which takes forever :/

 

[MaGe]

Well i'm done with D3 ... at least for a while. Will keep an eye on the patches though and when they do something interesting i'll probably go play a bit again.

I've downloaded Path of Exile and started playing that last night, and have to say i'm finding it very interesting.

The games pace and look reminds me alot of Sacred 2 and even some D2 in there. It's still in closed beta, so it needs alot of polishing still, but it's more than playable at this stage, and they're planning to start open beta in August. Minimum $10 buys you into the closed beta and the money goes towards the development of the game.

 

[Devill]

That is fair point, you were guaranteed a power boost D2 with more xp, D3 you are not as the items could be worse than what you've already got. And I would suspect that the time it would take to "level" a gear based character is longer than an xp based one.

edit: although hitting 90+ D2 took as little as 3 days if you were keen, which puts you right back into the gear based levelling again, which takes forever :/

But even with average to high end gear you could claw your way throught Hell Difficulty and beyond.

Inferno Act II does not tolerate sub "high end gear".

 

[BaTouSai]

Well i'm done with D3 ... at least for a while. Will keep an eye on the patches though and when they do something interesting i'll probably go play a bit again.

I've downloaded Path of Exile and started playing that last night, and have to say i'm finding it very interesting.

The games pace and look reminds me alot of Sacred 2 and even some D2 in there. It's still in closed beta, so it needs alot of polishing still, but it's more than playable at this stage, and they're planning to start open beta in August. Minimum $10 buys you into the closed beta and the money goes towards the development of the game.

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[SnowWar]

Allot of talk going on but the fact remains while D3 is a very good looking game and gameplay or fighting is generally fun it is just not the same quality as D2. It has clearly been made by different people and with a different end goal in mind.

The biggest failure of D3 is that gear is just to powerful and important. Nerf gear by 10x and buff character stats by 8x...

 

[Arzy]

Bleh, this is a bun-fight now.

The fact of the matter is everyone is going to have different views on the game and what could make it better.

As it stands now though the game simply hasn't lived up to the expectations of a lot of people. The current drop off from May when the game launched is about 65% (Linkage) and while the opinions differ I think this is a clear indication that something is wrong.

 

[Markd]

imo you can tell how Blizz has been completely affected to its detriment by WoW. They have admitted that the game "lacks end game", but i mean it doesnt even start there. Imagine in Wow, you get to level 30ish, and thats it - all quests done and dusted to reach the final cutscene (good job). Now in order to get your max level you have to do the exact same quests, in the exact same locations, all over again....twice. And now that you are here...we....er.....dont have anything else for you to do. Except maybe use this game as a job to make us and yourself some money in the RMAH?

I found that in D2 i was really excited about hunting items from sets, open world pvp etc. At the moment i predominantly find yellows that are useless and not even sellable on any AH. Its a really boring game for me. Loved the first play-through, but that was enough for me and its time to move on to something else.

Im wondering if I'll get the next release in the SC2 saga. Part of me says definitely, but another part just thinks that even this SC2 cant compare to Warcraft 3 (Clan support, LAN support etc.) Im sort of starting to get tired of paying over the odds for blizz to give me half a product.

 

[SnowWar]

If I think of it this way, I realize all the crap started when the Condor, I mean Blizzard North, guys (and the ppl who worked with them) left Blizzard.
I don't know how many of you know the story behind this, but basically Blizzard bought Condor and renamed it Blizzard North about 6 months before the release of Diablo. What Blizzard knows about Diablo is next to nothing and only what they have picked up from the original guys over the years and you also need to remember Blizzard Entertainment has had as many owners as I've had showers. All this plays a massive role imo.

The original Condor / Blizzard North guys made Diablo 1, 2 & LOD and also helped with WOW & TBC

About 30 of the main guys leaving Blizzard changes things. We are talking about names like Max & Erich Schaefer, David Brevik, Bill Roper, Joseph Lawrence, Wyatt Cheng, Matt Uelmen, Eric Sexton, Michio Okamura and Steven Woo.
These are all big names with a vision way different that Blizzard has now.

You only need to look at Runic Games, Torchlight I & II and the price to realize this.

 

[Kaine]

so they went and started Runic Games then? or some of them at least? finished torchlight, wasnt too keen on it tbh

 

[SnowWar]

@Kaine, yes Max & Erich , the co-founders of Condor / Blizzard North, Travis Baldree (creator of Fate) and some others. Other guys from there started other companies, but quite a few are also now working @ Runic, most noticeably Matt Uelmen (Diablo music :0 )

Torchlight 1 was the start, low budget RPG that was allot like Diablo even in the music. It was basically Diablo 1 in a new engine, style with some extra tweaks. So it was basically town to dungeon and kill stuff - yes a big behind the time
The budget was small and they had to finish it off when funds ran low, but it was a job done well with the budget they had vs what other studios had. And the game was sold for $19.99, same as TL2 is going for.

TL2 should be what Diablo 2 was to Diablo 1, but only time will tell...

 

[prod]

I really don't care for the exaggerated cartoony graphics of the TL series :/. That being said, it's a great series.

 

[AfricanTech]

I really don't care for the exaggerated cartoony graphics of the TL series :/. That being said, it's a great series.

Agree.

Call me shallow but the D3 graphics are awesome.

I've taken two toons into the upper 30's but are am now finding it harder to justify the time investment required to progress further because there is no end game to look forward to.

Waiting for the expansion now.

 

[Draconia2]

Agree.

Call me shallow but the D3 graphics are awesome.

I've taken two toons into the upper 30's but are am now finding it harder to justify the time investment required to progress further because there is no end game to look forward to.

Waiting for the expansion now.

the graphics are awesome for d3, they did a good job. i like the drawing esque feeling you get when playing with rich detailed textures until you zoom in

also the amount of detail put in even though they copied lut gholein ... still looks great. thumbs up for art team

 

[SnowWar]

The Gfx of D3 is great yes, but the actual game is a big disappointment.

Not liking a game because of the gfx just simply shows you of the younger, new generation who did not grow up with some of the best titles around.
Back then gameplay and the fun factor was everything. Taking pride in what you made was very important, while these days things have become so commercial and the money making machines have taken over.
With all the new hardware and crap, how a game looks plays way to big a role these days and can even make a crap game decent to the mainstream.
It seems to be quantity and not quality and you can also clearly see that by the amount of patches and fixes coming out right after something is released.

I'm not saying something like TorchLight 2 is going to be the saving grace, but really it does look quite good imo, the gameplay was fun in the beta and the price is really great at $19.99! That is a third of what D3 was...

 

[Chamberz]

You lost me with all the "GAH" and "RMA" abbreviations. I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to Diablo 3 or gaming as a whole terminology.. Mind filling me in on what they stand for?

Other than that I just started playing Diablo 3.. I'm not sure if its because i suck or what but I'm only on act one and have a lvl 15 wizard. I have died 3 times so i got a little frustrated and bought a whole lot of items seeing as my drops where pathetic, and thus brings me to the realisation that Diablo 3 is completely item dependent? Correct me if i'm wrong.

 

[Messugga]

You lost me with all the "GAH" and "RMA" abbreviations. I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to Diablo 3 or gaming as a whole terminology.. Mind filling me in on what they stand for?

Other than that I just started playing Diablo 3.. I'm not sure if its because i suck or what but I'm only on act one and have a lvl 15 wizard. I have died 3 times so i got a little frustrated and bought a whole lot of items seeing as my drops where pathetic, and thus brings me to the realisation that Diablo 3 is completely item dependent? Correct me if i'm wrong.

You should really be able to make it through normal without relying on the auction house. The wizard is a tad tough initially due to lack of any real damage, but normal was a walk in the park with mine.

 

[Rocket-Boy]

You lost me with all the "GAH" and "RMA" abbreviations. I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to Diablo 3 or gaming as a whole terminology.. Mind filling me in on what they stand for?

Other than that I just started playing Diablo 3.. I'm not sure if its because i suck or what but I'm only on act one and have a lvl 15 wizard. I have died 3 times so i got a little frustrated and bought a whole lot of items seeing as my drops where pathetic, and thus brings me to the realisation that Diablo 3 is completely item dependent? Correct me if i'm wrong.

GAH is the gold auction house i.e ingame currency. RMA is the real money auction which would require a paypal account.
The game is very item dependant though, you can be battling your ass off then buy a new item and is suddenly easy again.

 

[Chamberz]

Cool i see thanks bud. Yeah i was playing wizard all wrong but seems to be a lot easier now with a few changes to my skills ect.

 

[Cloudster]

If they didn't hype this game up to death it would be considered a good game. But that's just it, it's a good game... they took a million years to make this game and during that time I played Bio Shock 1 and 2, Crysis 1 and 2, Mass Effect trilogy, Batman Arkham City and Assylum and so many more that took a fraction of the time it took for them to deliver this game.

So when you take as long to make a game and then people make trilogy (all games in the trilogy being better than D3) then it makes Diablo 3 a bit laughable IMO.

I played the campaign on normal and thought I would go through the other difficulties... heck I thought I would play through all the difficulties with ALL the classes... but I just played through normal with my Demon Hunter, started the next difficulty level and haven't played for a very long time since. Why? It's essentially the same game... there's no point in me going through the same storyline, cinematics, bosses and stages again? What for when I have so many other games waiting to be played.

 

[Wikkels88]

It's essentially the same game... there's no point in me going through the same storyline, cinematics, bosses and stages again?

How's this different from the previous diablo though? I personally cruised through normal and nightmare, and the game only started to get fun in Hell difficulty. Diablo is not for everyone, you either hate it or love it, but I see so many people complain about things that was already known before the game even released, why even bother buying the game then?