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Hi Solar
There are plans to bring the site to SA again. RPM is working on it. Strange that it is cheaper to host a site for a South African audience outside South Africa than inside the country...
He who does not understand the value of war at the right time, cannot comprehend the value of life at any time - Anonymous
There are plans to bring the site to SA again. RPM is working on it. Strange that it is cheaper to host a site for a South African audience outside South Africa than inside the country...
He who does not understand the value of war at the right time, cannot comprehend the value of life at any time - Anonymous
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look at these prices it is silly. $4 a month for win2000 hosting with most of the perks. That is R26 odd a month it is crazy. South Africa sort ur selfs out please!!!
There is no peace without war!!!
look at these prices it is silly. $4 a month for win2000 hosting with most of the perks. That is R26 odd a month it is crazy. South Africa sort ur selfs out please!!!
There is no peace without war!!!
Pr13sT,
It's Telkom that should sort themselves out, the South African hosting companies have no choice but to charge high prices, otherwise, they would not be able to afford the internet connections that they have to buy at totally unreasonable rates from Telkom.
Willie Viljoen
Web Developer
Adaptive Web Development
It's Telkom that should sort themselves out, the South African hosting companies have no choice but to charge high prices, otherwise, they would not be able to afford the internet connections that they have to buy at totally unreasonable rates from Telkom.
Willie Viljoen
Web Developer
Adaptive Web Development
"$4 a month for win2000 hosting with most of the perks".
Heh. You think thats bad? Whats a 512K Telkom ADSL line and internet account? R900/m or so?
For that price you can co-locate a server in the US or the UK on anything up to 1GBps peering with their internet exchanges.
LoNAP in London charges 2000 pounds per year for a 1Gbps port to their peering if you have co-location space in Telehouse Dockyards (which we just so happen to have). Do the math there.. (R3000/m for dedicated 1Gbps internet access)
And these are countries that are rather starved for space compared to SA. Just imagine all those squatter camps we could transform into colo facilities.
I wonder though, there is tons of bandwidth up North (SA really does have bugger all and SAT-3 is not enough). Why do we lay expensive cables under the sea, when we can just lay them over land?
- Colin Alston
colin at alston dot za dot org
"Getting traffic shaping right is easy and can be summed up in one word: Dont." -- George Barnett
Heh. You think thats bad? Whats a 512K Telkom ADSL line and internet account? R900/m or so?
For that price you can co-locate a server in the US or the UK on anything up to 1GBps peering with their internet exchanges.
LoNAP in London charges 2000 pounds per year for a 1Gbps port to their peering if you have co-location space in Telehouse Dockyards (which we just so happen to have). Do the math there.. (R3000/m for dedicated 1Gbps internet access)
And these are countries that are rather starved for space compared to SA. Just imagine all those squatter camps we could transform into colo facilities.
I wonder though, there is tons of bandwidth up North (SA really does have bugger all and SAT-3 is not enough). Why do we lay expensive cables under the sea, when we can just lay them over land?
- Colin Alston
colin at alston dot za dot org
"Getting traffic shaping right is easy and can be summed up in one word: Dont." -- George Barnett
Karnaugh,
We have to lay them under the sea, otherwise Rob Mugabe would rob our cable.
Seriously though, the problem with laying the cables over land to reach Europe is the seemingly unending political intstability throughout Africa. Imagine international internet access being out every second day because the portion of the cable running through the DRC has been captured by rebels today, recaptured by the government and then nationalised by the government.
If each backwater banana republic between South Africa and Europe should nationalise their portion of such a cable system, we'll be paying about 10 times what we pay now to use SAT3/SAFE.
Remember, as African governments go, we are very fortunate. Most of these utterly insignificant little countries that carve up the continent are still playing the "colonialism" card and feel that everybody should feel sorry for them, and pay them huge amounts of money for anything they do for us, to "make up for past wrongs."
I would rather buy my international bandwidth from Telkom than from Robert Mugabe and Joseph Cabila. [
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In my opinion, the best solution would be to go due East. Australia have long ago invested in proper infrastructure, which connects them to the world via the incredibly fast and underutilised telecommunications infrastructure in Japan.
One relatively inexpensive, very fast cable to Australia would probably solve most of our problems easily. The only problem, there's only one entity allowed to lay calbes from here to anywhere, so we'd still be buying our bandwidth from Telkom.
To get back to the hosting topic however, I wasn't really that conserned about international bandwidth. The problem that South African hosting companies face is getting their hands on any bandwidth at all.
Even those companies fortunate enough to be in the same building as JINX don't have it easy. 34mbps peering with JINX sells for R35 000 per month, last time I checked.
Willie Viljoen
Web Developer
Adaptive Web Development
We have to lay them under the sea, otherwise Rob Mugabe would rob our cable.
Seriously though, the problem with laying the cables over land to reach Europe is the seemingly unending political intstability throughout Africa. Imagine international internet access being out every second day because the portion of the cable running through the DRC has been captured by rebels today, recaptured by the government and then nationalised by the government.
If each backwater banana republic between South Africa and Europe should nationalise their portion of such a cable system, we'll be paying about 10 times what we pay now to use SAT3/SAFE.
Remember, as African governments go, we are very fortunate. Most of these utterly insignificant little countries that carve up the continent are still playing the "colonialism" card and feel that everybody should feel sorry for them, and pay them huge amounts of money for anything they do for us, to "make up for past wrongs."
I would rather buy my international bandwidth from Telkom than from Robert Mugabe and Joseph Cabila. [
]In my opinion, the best solution would be to go due East. Australia have long ago invested in proper infrastructure, which connects them to the world via the incredibly fast and underutilised telecommunications infrastructure in Japan.
One relatively inexpensive, very fast cable to Australia would probably solve most of our problems easily. The only problem, there's only one entity allowed to lay calbes from here to anywhere, so we'd still be buying our bandwidth from Telkom.
To get back to the hosting topic however, I wasn't really that conserned about international bandwidth. The problem that South African hosting companies face is getting their hands on any bandwidth at all.
Even those companies fortunate enough to be in the same building as JINX don't have it easy. 34mbps peering with JINX sells for R35 000 per month, last time I checked.
Willie Viljoen
Web Developer
Adaptive Web Development
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by podo</i>
It's Telkom that should sort themselves out, the South African hosting companies have no choice but to charge high prices.
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It was a general statement. So many things need to be sorted out, you can't just blame telkom, the goverment for allowing Telkom to get a away with things, the ave joe, stealing cable making Telkom charge more, the list can go on. Don't take it personally.
There is no peace without war!!!
It's Telkom that should sort themselves out, the South African hosting companies have no choice but to charge high prices.
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It was a general statement. So many things need to be sorted out, you can't just blame telkom, the goverment for allowing Telkom to get a away with things, the ave joe, stealing cable making Telkom charge more, the list can go on. Don't take it personally.
There is no peace without war!!!
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">In my opinion, the best solution would be to go due East. Australia have long ago invested in proper infrastructure, which connects them to the world via the incredibly fast and underutilised telecommunications infrastructure in Japan.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Heck no, Australia has very little international bandwidth. The maker of Xamime was looking for hosting the fastest provider he managed to find, we tested the peering for at a whole 30KBps to Europe and US.
- Colin Alston
colin at alston dot za dot org
"Getting traffic shaping right is easy and can be summed up in one word: Dont." -- George Barnett
Heck no, Australia has very little international bandwidth. The maker of Xamime was looking for hosting the fastest provider he managed to find, we tested the peering for at a whole 30KBps to Europe and US.
- Colin Alston
colin at alston dot za dot org
"Getting traffic shaping right is easy and can be summed up in one word: Dont." -- George Barnett
Flatulentcow
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Yup, it's insane. I pay $20 p/m for 20gb of storage, 50gb of bandwidth, virtually unlimited e-mail accounts (20 000 ), and several databases, but you'll be lucky to get 500mb of space locally with that kind of money.
), and several databases, but you'll be lucky to get 500mb of space locally with that kind of money.