MyBB Motorcycle Owners Thread (2nd gear)

Counterpoint Leitie - I love 4 cylinder engines up to around the advent of the noughties. New ones are screamers and all sound a bit anodyne, a bit synthetic. Compare that to the brawny noise of the 80s and 90s era fours. I realise it is commensurate with material development and higher rev limits.

Present me with a clean, well kept GPZ900 or single headlight 1000 Exup and I'd buy it immediately. Same goes for a D model ZZR 1100s and 600s.

Modern stuff leaves me pretty cold, else I'd have some variation of n1000nn in my garage right now. Lumpy era R1s are cool but too focussed for me and the MT10 is an abomination of cheap parts and manga weirdness.
Yeah, Euro/Cali regs have so much to answer for. The Streetfighter is a V4, not an I4, but at idle it sounds like a sewing machine. The S1KR had a great sound from the factory akra in the second gen, but they've sort of lost it with the latest gen. At least Akra, SC, Remus and co are right there ready to sell us a slip-on, until the fully welded euro pipes catch on and there's no hope for it but a full system and reflash. As an aspiring second-hand buyer, I just wish the beer-can exhaust designs were less popular - they look so silly, out there at the end of a pipe.

The massive breadboxes are also a crime against good taste; once removed there's just so much dead space under the bike. The low exhausts on bikes like the Streetfighter, Trident and MT-09 actually look really good, and having just a decat pipe hanging out there in the open air feels wrong.

The recent(ish) Suzuki Katana was quite attractive to my eyes on the neo-retro styling front, even if it was just a GSX-S with a bodykit. And have you seen the XSR900GP? Takes a lot of inspiration from 90s style racers, and CFmoto seems to have announced a 500 Voom model that hearkens back to the classic NC-30 styling. Fashion is cyclic, and sooner or later we'll see the look you're after come back as a retro wave. The question, as always, is whether we'll see them here.
 
I'm not sure we're speaking the same language here; you're talking about an I4 being as linear as a P-twin, then later on you mention how your XR was gutless at low revs and maniacally out of hand once you get on the power. That's the opposite of linear! It's the opposite of making effortless, easy power! And an inline 4 has more moving parts than anything else; it's a complex, persnickety beast that requires a lot of things to keep going right. Ride a sportsbike from WBC if you don't believe that means special maintenance requirements, then get back to me. Or take apart an old UJM.

You were speaking about torque, I was speaking about power. Torque in I-4's is very linear, power is not.

I didn't mean to say they don't have any maintenance, obviously they do I just meant there is nothing exceptionally special to them, there's just more of it.

The boxer is unpleasantly vibrational, heats up like crazy in traffic when air-cooled, starts up with an irritating jerk, sounds like a world war 2 relic - which it is - and is constantly in the way. The only way to excuse these flaws - and they are flaws - is to write them off as character, which is, again, an aesthetic judgment - which you're unwilling to extend to 4 cylinders because... reasons?

I mean that's just air-cools as a whole, not the boxer specifically. That vibration though is the soul I speak of, it adds the little drama you don't get otherwise.

But when I came to vibrations I enjoyed my Buell engine far more and the torque makes the LQ boxer seem rather sad as its' actually pretty useless under 1,500rpm unlike it's air-cooled brother.

And quite apart from all that, I'd argue a 4-cylinder sportsbike engine is more authentic to the spirit of a cafe racer than an old twin. These were the chopped-down performance customs of their day, with the ton-up boys doing their utmost to end their existences at as high a speed as possible. Their cool factor came from being daredevil machines running out at the edge. Yet no-one makes them like that, because today they're all just sad cosplay for old people and hipsters that only care about the aesthetic, much like scramblers.

I mean it's somewhat true I'll give you that, but then then the heritage to the Boxer and the other twins like the Harleys run much longer and deeper.

Ed.: I'm not sure I'm making my point here, and I worry this is sounding too aggressive. I too love the aesthetic, but where's the performance option? Where's the bike for guys like me who love engines that don't feel like they were carved in the sweatshops of Gaul? I've seen some customs that would do it; but we're talking bikes with about a bar in them here, they're naturally compromised because no-one actually builds a bike like the factory, and they're not built with the idea in mind that anyone will actually be so gauche as to actually use them.

It's all meant to be tongue-in-cheek mate, I'm not really being very serious.

As much as I love the Twins first and more recently started to appreciate the Boxers I'm certainly not going to send an I-4 away if I'm offered a ride.

I think by its very nature there will be a performance limitation, hence why we now see V-4's everywhere as a compromise to compensate for that.

So I guess a Ducati X-Diavel or Street Fighter is probably the closest thing to this out there.

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I'll say one thing that keeps me away from I-4's universally these days is that they are seemingly all chain-driven, which I know isn't really part of the engine but it kind of goes hand in hand with why I've fallen in love with the Boxer.

It's crazy how much you notice a chain drive when you've gotten so used to NOT having one.
 
To each his own i suppose

Soul wise a v4 would give the sound and the revs

Twins should have stayed in the 70's

imo if you want a vibrator a guy can ask the missis to borrow hers or buy one if none in your home, vibration isn't soul imo
Though the boxer should be rather ok apposed cylinders and all

I'm a 4cyl fan i4 or v4
Sound/revs

Have grown to love the big bang nc30 wasn't my first choice wanted a zxr400

Would love a new ZX4RR
 
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I'll say one thing that keeps me away from I-4's universally these days is that they are seemingly all chain-driven, which I know isn't really part of the engine but it kind of goes hand in hand with why I've fallen in love with the Boxer.

It's crazy how much you notice a chain drive when you've gotten so used to NOT having one.
Ha! Spent a chilly couple of hours last night greasing up chains on the bikes in my garage. Why so long, you may ask? Well, it turns out chain wax accumulates in the front sprocket guard, so I remove those every now and then to dig that crap out...

This is a maintenance job I would not miss if it went away, but I can't help feeling like if it does then someday someone's going to be sitting there defending it as part of the "character" of a chain-driven motorcycle. :ROFL:
 
To each his own i suppose

Soul wise a v4 would give the sound and the revs

Twins should have stayed in the 70's

imo if you want a vibrator a guy can ask the missis to borrow hers or buy one if none in your home, vibration isn't soul imo
Though the boxer should be rather ok apposed cylinders and all

I'm a 4cyl fan i4 or v4
Sound/revs

Have grown to love the big bang nc30 wasn't my first choice wanted a zxr400

Would love a new ZX4RR

You are right the V-4 is probably the perfect middle ground.

There just isn’t one in a bike I like otherwise at the moment.
 
You are right the V-4 is probably the perfect middle ground.

There just isn’t one in a bike I like otherwise at the moment.
Yea that is why we see everybody chop and make their own cafe racers

Starting with exactly what they want

But yea you can't really get past the one niggle imo

Not all motors was designed to be naked

It helps if it was designed and built to be naked from the get go
 
Yeah, Euro/Cali regs have so much to answer for. The Streetfighter is a V4, not an I4, but at idle it sounds like a sewing machine. The S1KR had a great sound from the factory akra in the second gen, but they've sort of lost it with the latest gen. At least Akra, SC, Remus and co are right there ready to sell us a slip-on, until the fully welded euro pipes catch on and there's no hope for it but a full system and reflash. As an aspiring second-hand buyer, I just wish the beer-can exhaust designs were less popular - they look so silly, out there at the end of a pipe.

The massive breadboxes are also a crime against good taste; once removed there's just so much dead space under the bike. The low exhausts on bikes like the Streetfighter, Trident and MT-09 actually look really good, and having just a decat pipe hanging out there in the open air feels wrong.

The recent(ish) Suzuki Katana was quite attractive to my eyes on the neo-retro styling front, even if it was just a GSX-S with a bodykit. And have you seen the XSR900GP? Takes a lot of inspiration from 90s style racers, and CFmoto seems to have announced a 500 Voom model that hearkens back to the classic NC-30 styling. Fashion is cyclic, and sooner or later we'll see the look you're after come back as a retro wave. The question, as always, is whether we'll see them here.
I hear you. Sadly, most EU spec end cans are now euro5 so a massive waste of time unless you want to pay a fortune for a tiny weight saving. When I last looked for something for the 1300gs, only HP Corse do a proper can.

I picked this up to satisfy my need for a bike with feel.

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100 ponies, serviceable brakes and suspenders and proper rubber (Rosso Corsas). It looks like regular Bike Shed/soy latte/selvedge turn-ups/bubble visor fare but is actually very capable.
 
Not all motors was designed to be naked

It helps if it was designed and built to be naked from the get go
Had a buddy who managed to wreck all of the fairings on his CBR, but the bike was mechanically sound. He decided that he'd just strip off the fairings and make it a streetfighter. It was the worst idea that you can imagine.

Turns out under those fairings there's a mess of wiring looms, coolant bottles, coolant pipes, a rectifier, mounting points and guides for all of the above... plus the radiator was just sort of dangling out there like a dog's dick and there was nowhere for the instruments to attach. The whole mess looked like something out of an 80s "used future" film set, like Alien or Blade Runner.

Designers actually work pretty hard to get nakeds looking naked, it seems.
 
Had a buddy who managed to wreck all of the fairings on his CBR, but the bike was mechanically sound. He decided that he'd just strip off the fairings and make it a streetfighter. It was the worst idea that you can imagine.

Turns out under those fairings there's a mess of wiring looms, coolant bottles, coolant pipes, a rectifier, mounting points and guides for all of the above... plus the radiator was just sort of dangling out there like a dog's dick and there was nowhere for the instruments to attach. The whole mess looked like something out of an 80s "used future" film set, like Alien or Blade Runner.

Designers actually work pretty hard to get nakeds looking naked, it seems.
Tesla says hold my beer lets make the worst looking truck
And bmw added a bumper to an m2 that looks like someone got the actual and fake they used to hide the design mixed up

But yea exception , normally they don't suck
 
Except HD. Check out the hilariously bad left side of the Harley Nightster.
That's incredible. People buy these? After seeing them IRL? It's like mechanical Two-Face. Never has there ever been a motorcycle so clearly designed to be photographed from one side. The offside looks like a rotary labeller fell into an old difference engine.

Cruisers in general are pretty tough; even the Indians, which are stunningly good looking machines, really lose the vibe if you go for short pipes and the tiny little square-tube swingarm shows through. The Bonneville Bobber, the cruiser-ish version of Jefferson's twin up there, is probably the best in terms of consistent design.
 
I hear you. Sadly, most EU spec end cans are now euro5 so a massive waste of time unless you want to pay a fortune for a tiny weight saving. When I last looked for something for the 1300gs, only HP Corse do a proper can.

I picked this up to satisfy my need for a bike with feel.

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100 ponies, serviceable brakes and suspenders and proper rubber (Rosso Corsas). It looks like regular Bike Shed/soy latte/selvedge turn-ups/bubble visor fare but is actually very capable.

I rode a Thruxton for some 3,000+ kilometres (maybe have been 6,000 can’t remember now) whole my Street Triple was in the shop.

Hated it at first but slowly fell in love with it and by the end I got it. Would never be a primary bike for me but could make a solid second bike for sure.

Low power, high torque and all soul.
 
Moved to a plot last year with dirt road so the little Yamaha BWS was a useful as tits on a bull, so it was sold.

Replaced it with a BMW G450X, only after I had it for 2 months it turns out its fully kitted competition bike, was done by NL Design.

I use it to explore the back roads around Bapsfontein, heaps of fun.

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