National Assembly adopts Expropriation Bill

[Benedict A55h0le]

If they do take our house we will bulldoze it to the ground, seems fair, lets see how they like a pile of rubble.

That is still a great success for them.

 

[rvZA]

That is still a great success for them.

Yes, the new owners of your property can at least eat some dust around their new properties. Like in Zim. At least they will have dignity when doing it. The same as those in Zim. This is indeed a big win for South Africans.

At the end of the day, if the ANC EWCs my property, I will simply pack up and leave the country. I will apply for asylum abroad and probably get it. I will start over abroad and continue with my life. As for the poor shack dweller who gets my South African property, they will have a nice 3 bedroom house with a pool. Electricity amounts to about R6k and upwards a month. Then there are some other taxes too. Good luck to them taking over the payments.

 

[Fulcrum29]

A very good thread here.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575415706157555714

Starting point?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575415722729242624

To quote the bill,

https://www.parliament.gov.za/stora...priation_Bill/B23_2020_Expropriation_Bill.pdf (PDF)

(3) It may be just and equitable for nil compensation to be paid where land is expropriated in the public interest, having regard to all relevant circumstances, including but not limited to—

(a) where the land is not being used and the owner’s main purpose is not to develop the land or use it to generate income, but to benefit from appreciation of its market value;
(b) where an organ of state holds land that it is not using for its core functions and is not reasonably likely to require the land for its future activities in that regard, and the organ of state acquired the land for no consideration;
(c) notwithstanding registration of ownership in terms of the Deeds Registries Act, 1937 (Act No. 47 of 1937), where an owner has abandoned the land by failing to exercise control over it;
(d) where the market value of the land is equivalent to, or less than, the present value of direct state investment or subsidy in the acquisition and beneficial capital improvement of the land; and
(e) when the nature or condition of the property poses a health, safety or physical risk to persons or other property.

having that under review, secondary private properties could be approached to be expropriated. Then they add, "not limited to". What are the other circumstances not being expressed in the bill? They simply implied that there may be other reasons. Obviously, this bill is set up to be challenged constitutionally since it is untested.

Regardless, the bill still allows reasonability, but since when has this state been reasonable?

 

[Emjay]

Regardless, the bill still allows reasonability, but since when has this state been reasonable?

This is really the crux of it. There are literally only a few judges between reasonable appropriation in public interest and Zim style land grabs.

The day I heard on the news Zuma was cleared of all his rape charges, which lead to a pathway to being president, I got a terrible sinking feeling. Today I felt the same. Very concerned about this.

 

[TelkomUseless]

Starting point?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575415722729242624

To quote the bill,

https://www.parliament.gov.za/stora...priation_Bill/B23_2020_Expropriation_Bill.pdf (PDF)



having that under review, secondary private properties could be approached to be expropriated. Then they add, "not limited to". What are the other circumstances not being expressed in the bill? They simply implied that there may be other reasons. Obviously, this bill is set up to be challenged constitutionally since it is untested.

Regardless, the bill still allows reasonability, but since when has this state been reasonable?

That is the truth! State and reasonable in same sentence is like ANC and accountability in same sentence.

This is bad news for SA. I assume they need to keep them voters in 2024. Now they get grants and FREE land!

edit: So who is going to pay the rates and taxes , (existing) bonds etc on these free lands ?

 

[rvZA]

The day I heard on the news Zuma was cleared of all his rape charges, which lead to a pathway to being president, I got a terrible sinking feeling. Today I felt the same. Very concerned about this.

You should feel concerned. Every single person, no matter the colour of your skin should be concerned. If you are black and think the ANC will never EWC your property for another crony, you are in for a terrible surprise.

 

[wingnut771]

Didn't majority of all people surveyed didn't want this? So how will this win them votes?

 

[rvZA]

Didn't majority of all people surveyed didn't want this? So how will this win them votes?

The majority actually wanted it. They will all get land, a property and dignity. Taken back from the so-called white oppressor.

 

[wingnut771]

Hopefully this speeds up ANC's implosion in '24.

 

[CataclysmZA]

So I can basically lose my small piece of land that I purchased and paying off so when I have to retire one day I have a place to do so.

No. The bill outlines that EWC in this draft is specifically tailored towards landowners who purchase land with the sole intent of letting its value increase with rising valuations, and then sell it at a later date with a tidy profit.

The ANC has actually listened to some of the feedback here. Other countries are struggling with foreigners buying plots of land through shell companies and the like, and it's going to be a similar problem here. So we'll continue to allow foreigners as well as private citizens and companies to buy land, but they must either make use of it personally, or make an active income on operations on the land.

If you have plans to retire on the land you've bought, that land is not eligible for EWC. If you build a house and AirBnB it, that land is STILL not eligible for EWC.

Here in Jeffreys Bay, apparently all of the plots under R500k have been bought up since the start of 2020, and many of them are still overgrown and unused.

I'm confused now why did the EFF object to the bill weren't they pushing for it, and then the ANC stole the idea from them?

Because they made a valid point about the bill not addressing issues that currently affect the market and landowners.

Earlier, the EFF criticised the bill for limiting land redistribution, and leaving land mostly in current ownership hands, unless the state was prepared to pay market-related prices.

“Do natives want land that is not used for productive purposes? Do they want state-owned land? Why is the ANC playing with people’s emotions?” asked EFF MP Mathapelo Siwisa. “We reject this bill and call on our supporters to see the ANC for what it is, a staunch defender of white landowners.”

A few years back a draft EWC bill had a suggested clause that the state could yeet valuations out the window and not have to deal with the willing-buyer-willing-seller principle. They would have been allowed to low-ball your offer with a take-it-or-leave-it offer. You either took the money and handed it over, or they would EWC it and you'd get nothing.

That clause wasn't going to pass constitutional muster, but there is a problem where government wants to buy land earmarked for redress, but the current landowner sets the price equal to or higher than the market value. The ANC government currently sits with over 1000 farms that it actually owns, but they overpaid for the land and much of it is not suitable for growing most crops or really living on it (multiple reasons for that, but mostly water issues and lack of infrastructure).

According to the Department of Agriculture, Land Reform and Rural Development, there are many examples where a land reform claim was valid, but the process was deadlocked because the owner wasn't going to accept the offer made to them. So they paid out the claimants instead.

And most farmable land is in private hands already. Like, yay, the government EWC'd some land and gave it to you. It's a rocky outcrop in the Karoo with a nest of Red Romans nearby and you can build ****-all there. But you own it now, so win-win?

 

[wingnut771]

The majority actually wanted it. They will all get land, a property and dignity. Taken back from the so-called white oppressor.

I seem to remember on their roadshow that it was the other way round and people wanted stability and jobs and not land.

 

[rvZA]

I seem to remember on their roadshow that it was the other way round and people wanted stability and jobs and not land.

I remember in a final report that the majority wanted land. There were some people not interested in it and rather wanted stability and jobs.

 

[wingnut771]

I remember in a final report that the majority wanted land. There were some people not interested in it and rather wanted stability and jobs.

Since when does the ANC listen to the people and write what they say in the final report?

 

[rvZA]

Since when does the ANC listen to the people and write what they say in the final report?

They don't, but EWC is important to the ANC cronies as there is no more money in the country. This may soon be their biggest and probably only source of income when they EWC land and force property owners into rental agreements with them.

 

[wingnut771]

They don't, but EWC is important to the ANC cronies as there is no more money in the country. This may soon be their biggest and probably only source of income when they EWC land and force property owners into rental agreements with them.

Hopefully they get taken down in the next elections.

 

[daveza]

Once they get ' the land', they will want a free house with running hot water, flush toilets, under-floor heating, free wi-fi and perhaps a nice little path and a shrubbery.

It must have free electricity, water, insurance and no rates payable.

If they want to farm, all of the above , but toss in all the farming equipment and irrigation, free of course.

 

[rvZA]

Once they get ' the land', they will want a free house with running hot water, flush toilets, under-floor heating, free wi-fi and perhaps a nice little path and a shrubbery.

It must have free electricity, water, insurance and no rates payable.

If they want to farm, all of the above , but toss in all the farming equipment and irrigation, free of course.

Which is only fair. They should be given it all.

 

[Benedict A55h0le]

I spoke to a very well educated upper class Zimbabwean person. I asked what she thinks of what Mugabe did to Zim, and she said: "He did destroy the economy but he did great to take all the farms back.".

If a white person looses his/her property via EWC it is a victory in itself regardless of the economic impact.

 

[wingnut771]

I spoke to a very well educated upper class Zimbabwean person. I asked what she thinks of what Mugabe did to Zim, and she said: "He did destroy the economy but he did great to take all the farms back.".

If a white person looses his/her property via EWC it is a victory in itself regardless of the economic impact.

You can't argue with stupidity. You can be educated but still dumb to how the world works.

 

[OhYeah84]

...and off we go, down that slippery slope! NHI is only going to accelerate things.