National Assembly adopts Expropriation Bill

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PS: You CAN buy a car cash and not have insurance, but not have a car loan with a bank without one. Facts matter...:whistling:

Correct. This is the only technicality that will allow clients to get out of agreements if a property is EWC'd and the bank and their investors or foreign investors will suffer the loss. The banks do not want to hear this, but this is the reality that they and their investors will have to face. Force Majeure will stand when people calls on it.
 

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so who is planning on leaving South Africa and selling all there property before its given away?

I have a few friends who said they would wait until the act actually gets accepted before they list, sell and leave. So, time has come. One already listed his property yesterday. Waiting for the estate agents to come take pictures today. But, I told him last night, I doubt he will be getting a buyer unless it is an ANC crony.
 

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I have a few friends who said they would wait until the act actually gets accepted before they list, sell and leave. So, time has come. One already listed his property yesterday. Waiting for the estate agents to come take pictures today. But, I told him last night, I doubt he will be getting a buyer unless it is an ANC crony.
We are going at the end of the year. Putting our house on sale shortly.
There are enough people who will stay who will buy a house. I've seen a few of my friends posting a link to that article about those people coming home. They'll be the ones who will buy.
 

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We are going at the end of the year. Putting our house on sale shortly.
There are enough people who will stay who will buy a house. I've seen a few of my friends posting a link to that article about those people coming home. They'll be the ones who will buy.

That is some good news for the property market in South Africa that there are still people who will be willing to risk millions of Rands on a property, that could be taken away without compensation and them losing all their money invested in a year, 2 years, 3 years, 10 years or even 20 years time.

In my book this is an extremely bad investment. It is like gambling in a casino.

Had it not been for these people you are mentioning, your property value would probably have been R0 to a real investor yesterday morning, exactly as it has happened in Zimbabwe.
 

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That is some good news for the property market in South Africa that there are still people who will be willing to risk millions of Rands on a property, that could be taken away without compensation and them losing all their money invested in a year, 2 years, 3 years, 10 years or even 20 years time.

In my book this is an extremely bad investment. It is like gambling in a casino.

Had it not been for these people you are mentioning, your property value would probably have been R0 to a real investor yesterday morning, exactly as it has happened in Zimbabwe.
 

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Like I said before. You are free to list your 100 bedroom house for a trillion Rand. It means nothing when there are no buyers or sales are faked.

From the horse's mouth:

Zimbabwe land a dead asset - finance minister​



Zimbabwe's controversial land reform programme, which left most of its land without collateral value has meant the country is now carrying a dead asset, its Finance and Economic Development Minister Mthuli Ncube has said.

Before land reform, most farmers had title or property rights to their land, but close to 20 years after the programme, most of the land has no title and as a result, farmers have little access to loans.

The cancellation of property rights and security of tenure imposed such limitations on farmers and have had a negative impact on the southern African country's economy.

Ncube, however, believes government can restore the collateral value of land and restore farmers’ access to billions of dollars-worth of credit that would immediately improve the country’s production volumes.


He believes dealing with the issue of land tenure and farmer compensation is critical for the country to be able to securitise its land assets.

Speaking at a breakfast meeting to review the 2019 Monetary Policy Statement, Ncube said it is critical that government restores property rights on land.

"We have created a dead asset in the form of land, and we need to turn it into a productive asset.

"One of the issues that needs to be dealt with is the issue of 99-year leases, there is still some work to do to close that off. Because without 99-year leases, we can’t create enough cover in terms of property rights for banks to extend credit to farmers," said Ncube.

And, the same in SA. Land has just become a dead asset with EWC being accepted, whether it is land where a house is built on, a complex is built on or a farm is built on. In my opinion any property have no value any longer.
 

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Like I said before. You are free to list your 100 bedroom house for a trillion Rand. It means nothing when there are no buyers or sales are faked.

From the horse's mouth:

Zimbabwe land a dead asset - finance minister​





And, the same in SA. Land has just become a dead asset with EWC being accepted, whether it is land where a house is built on, a complex is built on or a farm is built on. In my opinion any property have no value any longer.
Yeah, that's why Seeff and Pam Golding still have offices in Harare and list and sell properties there.
 

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Yeah, that's why Seeff and Pam Golding still have offices in Harare and list and sell properties there.

Naturally you will still have the crony who are guaranteed land who will buy and companies like this will naturally make use of the opportunity to make a quick buck or two a month.

As for a strong property market, like their finance minister said, you have a dead asset, as no investor is willing to touch it
 

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The ANC is looking to expropriate the Government pension fund, first...
 

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Naturally you will still have the crony who are guaranteed land who will buy and companies like this will naturally make use of the opportunity to make a quick buck or two a month.

As for a strong property market, like their finance minister said, you have a dead asset, as no investor is willing to touch it
You're still conflating farmland with rural assets.

But anyway, at least you've conceded that residential property in Zim isn't completely worthless as you originally asserted, Kaptein Kakpraat.
 

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Oh geez, I am already in an underground bunker because of the death of Mandela in 2013, must I get another bunker under my bunker :eek:
 

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You're still conflating farmland with rural assets.

But anyway, at least you've conceded that residential property in Zim isn't completely worthless as you originally asserted, Kaptein Kakpraat.

Like I said before. Any land is at risk. Whether it is farm land or rural land with a house or complex or a manufacturing factory on it or a business complex on it. The law currently makes no distinction. No investor will touch any land. No sane investor will further expand investments.
 

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Like I said before. Any land is at risk. Whether it is farm land or rural land with a house or complex or a manufacturing factory on it or a business complex on it. The law currently makes no distinction. No investor will touch any land. No sane investor will further expand investments.
No, what you said before was that without people returning to South Africa, residential property would be worth 0 "like in Zimbabwe". I merely pointed out that residential property in Zimbabwe is certainly not worth zero.

When economies collapse and inflation sky rockets, property actually becomes a relatively safe haven. But I obviously agree that EWC and the uncertainty it brings to the market is a shitty thing.
 

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"where the land is not being used and the owner’s main purpose is not to
develop the land or use it to generate income, but to benefit from appreciation
of its market value;
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Is this not a basic economic principle. You invest to get a return on your investment.

Oops, forgot that we actually have a communist government.
 
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