National Infrastructure Plan 2050 tables 1Gbps broadband for all households by 2026

[mojoman]

If they did not keep stealing everything we would have the best of everything in this county the amount of money that is spent replacing stolen infrastructure.

Lol...what a lofty dreramer you are this morning...

 

[randomcat]

That is what you assume.....from personal experience even out here in the bush every tom dick and harry has a smart phone in the informal settlement here, majority on whatsapp, facebook, most of them having older tablets or computers. Library here offers free internet access to learners as well. They even had an state of the art computer lab back in 2010, nothing much left of them now, use to go in once a year to format and clean up all the crap they copied over. The amount of viruses and and malware these systems picked up is absurd, even after having installed antivirus, even created a policy to reject USB devices, but somehow still managed to not update the database. Eventually switched them over to linux and that shyte stopped right away.

Virus pandemic was so bad I add a side hustle of fixing computers, they were all more than happy to pay the R150.00 to get it done. They might not have the latest and greatest, but young and old had some device to connect to the internet.

Having something and using it as intended, is two different things. Even by your own account, they were not thought how to use the device. Security is as essential as learning how to turn on a phone.

Let's be honest. If they do get free internet, majority of these people will use it for 4k porn and entertainment. Nothing will be added to the economy.

 

[wizardofid]

Having something and using it as intended, is two different things. Even by your own account, they were not thought how to use the device. Security is as essential as learning how to turn on a phone.

Let's be honest. If they do get free internet, majority of these people will use it for 4k porn and entertainment. Nothing will be added to the economy.

What is the intended use, because it doesn't fit into categories you use it for, must mean any other use outside of your realm is lesser. If I was a 70 year old grandma, with a tablet I use to read emails, use whatsapp and facebook, it is entirely different to you using it to watch hentai and tentacle. Come on now. People from all walks of life have different uses for different technologies. If you use it differently does that make you superior. Good to know.

So what if they are using it to watch 4k porn and stream movies and pirate shyte, stuff you and billions of other people are doing any ways right now. Why do you feel the need to sit on a high horse and judge previously disadvantage for actions you probably engaging or were engaged with at some point. They are entitled to use it any way they want to use it, I don't see them complaining about your illegal internet and porn watching habits.

I will add further, why do you feel the need to marginalize someone else who isn't as well educated as you seem to be portraying in technology or using older technology, are they some how under pining your enjoyment of technology, have you been brain washed by technology companies that much to be deluded into thinking that once that GPU or CPU has served it's purpose in life it has objectively become useless and holds no value what so ever to the rest of humanity, because you deem it to be useless for your own use. Why on earth do you need to look down on those less educated in technology ?.

Your the same person when a family member or grandma asks about a problem with their phone, that gets impatient and just grabs the phone and fixes the problem, without showing and trying to educate family member/grandma on how to fix the problem or showing her how to use the phone. Your the same person that will likely preach about computer/technology illiteracy needs to be eradicated, but barely educate others because it is a hassle and annoying and complains grandma or family members still messes up and does things wrong. Ever considered that they aren't the problem you are just a poor educator.

Your bias view that because you and only you will find value in the use of the internet and technology is, well, appalling.

 

[jambai]

This will also be implemented with the economic policy of one free Ferrari per household . If you don’t believe that this economic policy will work then you just racist .
The problem with our government is that they think their jobs is just to create plans but they are so incompetent that they actually better off with no plans as the private sector and everybody else adapts around them .

 

[randomcat]

What is the intended use, because it doesn't fit into categories you use it for, must mean any other use outside of your realm is lesser. If I was a 70 year old grandma, with a tablet I use to read emails, use whatsapp and facebook, it is entirely different to you using it to watch hentai and tentacle. Come on now. People from all walks of life have different uses for different technologies. If you use it differently does that make you superior. Good to know.

So what if they are using it to watch 4k porn and stream movies and pirate shyte, stuff you and billions of other people are doing any ways right now. Why do you feel the need to sit on a high horse and judge previously disadvantage for actions you probably engaging or were engaged with at some point. They are entitled to use it any way they want to use it, I don't see them complaining about your illegal internet and porn watching habits.

I agree, people don't have to use it for what I use it for, however it's not really uplifting a disadvantaged people by giving them free internet while they don't have basic sanitation. It's a bit out of touch with reality. Touch grass. R350 and a 1gbps internet is not empowering people.

 

[TelkomUseless]

This will also be implemented with the economic policy of one free Ferrari per household . If you don’t believe that this economic policy will work then you just racist .
The problem with our government is that they think their jobs is just to create plans but they are so incompetent that they actually better off with no plans as the private sector and everybody else adapts around them .

And their voters keep voting for their amazing plans....

 

[Polymathic]

My cat will be a helicopter pilot in 2026.

That's one smart pussy

 

[wizardofid]

I agree, people don't have to use it for what I use it for, however it's not really uplifting a disadvantaged people by giving them free internet while they don't have basic sanitation. It's a bit out of touch with reality. Touch grass. R350 and a 1gbps internet is not empowering people.

It sure won't make their life any shyttier, communication and connectivity is just as important as other essential requirements, like food, water and housing. Just focusing one one aspect of governmental services doesn't do anyone any good. What would happen if I were to disconnect your phone and all internet access today and remove all practical technology appliances, how will that impact your life, banking, shopping, work, and general communication. You will be pretty much back in the stone age, you will need to go to the bank to do payments, which many people are forced to do, because of the lack of technology. The fact of the matter is businesses have move onto technology driven model and if you don't get on the train you will be left behind.

I hate the argument that because people live in squalor you must only ever uplift them in meaningful ways, with things you deem fit for their uplift anything else to their benefit is optional. You can't do that and say you have the best interest of the people at heart and only ever cater to their basics needs you will never end the cycle or try ending the cycle. It is an utopian world ideology that rarely if ever works, but nothing wrong with giving it some effort, it is better than doing nothing at all, even if it only improves small percentage. Doing something is better than doing nothing even if you fail miserably at it. You don't simply wipe out all levels of inequality overnight, nor will you ever get rid of it, it is a mathematical impossibility.


As for technology it makes it extremely difficult in general to use services you take for granted and many have to resort to counterproductive and time consuming old fashion methods, which not only has a negative impact on the people but businesses as well. No doubt the government is failing in all regards, but just focusing one aspect and neglecting the rest is counter productive. Focusing part of your efforts on technology isn't a bad thing in the least, getting people connected does have a knock on effect in that I don't have to spend hours in a line to get a piece of paper submitted I can quickly do so online and with in minutes and get on doing other stuff, like digging my own french drain, bar that it is infinitely easier to implement some thing like this than getting clean water and sanitation operational overnight, not that the government will manage to not fk it up and delay it.

In the last twenty years where have you gathered the most knowledge from. It isn't a simple matter of it isn't "essential", therefore it shouldn't receive the attention it has been lacking for so long. I am optimistic in that people even if just a small percentage uses it for their own betterment it is worthwhile. You can fix your own water, food, and sanitation issues, if you try, to some extent, access to knowledge which has always been an issue as far back as recorded history goes and people have always relied on others for it.

How many times have you looked up knowledge and information you needed in your day to day life for practical application, it is some thing we have been taking for granted for a very long time. Knowledge is power and all the more power to the people if it in any way helps them.

 

[dualmeister]

FFS. The average household does not need a 1Gbps broadband connection. Even 40 to 100 Mbps is overkill for the majority of households.

What about fixing potholes, water security and flippin reliable power first?

Clearly their priorities are totally screwed up.

Throws the airfryer against the wall

 

[gregmcc]

Meh, who needs water, electricity, security when you can eat 1Gbps broadband.

 

[wizardofid]

Meh, who needs water, electricity, security when you can eat 1Gbps broadband.

Okay then lets take away your internet, list all the things you will have to do differently as a result of that and how it will impact you. Secondly did they say that it will be their primary focus. Which department focuses on which service regardless of how shyte a job they are doing. Your directly implying that a department of the government that has nothing directly to do with each other is so encroached they are incapable of operating however poorly without impacting each other, with the exception of the finance department.

Sure the depart of public works and infrastructure will work closely with the department of communications and digital technologies. I don't see how one department having mandated goals and policies independent of another is going impact whether or not potholes get fixed. Water and sanitation is an entirely different department as well, is the department of education going to fix potholes.

It is a stupid argument that one department that has nothing to do with another some how magically impacts their operation of their department. Is the department of water and sanitation going to fix potholes. You wouldn't dare make the same argument or assumption with a large corporation that has several different operational departments not directly tied to one another.

Which is why governments departmentalize, if it so happens a department does some thing for a change the argument is to blame for every other poorly run department in government for the lack of service delivery. What backward stupid argument is that.

What your saying is a department may not to do that thing because another didn't do their thing that is needed more regardless of that department having no impact whether or not another department did their thing directly. That flies in the logic of how governments is suppose to work if they do their work like there suppose to.

 

[AstroTurf]

 

[AstroTurf]

What your saying is a department may not to do that thing because another didn't do their thing that is needed more regardless of that department having no impact whether or not another department did their thing directly. That flies in the logic of how governments is suppose to work if they do their work like there suppose to.

Pretty sure he is saying there is as much chance of everyone getting all those other services as there is of even 10% of the country getting a 1Gbps internet connection by 2025/6/2036

 

[Flanders]

Can we at least try to keep the lights on for one whole year...

Year...

 

[W@P]

FFS. The average household does not need a 1Gbps broadband connection. Even 40 to 100 Mbps is overkill for the majority of households.

What about fixing potholes, water security and flippin reliable power first?

Clearly their priorities are totally screwed up.

Throws the airfryer against the wall

Picks up airfryer and pats it softly saying everything will be fine. Slaps @dualmeister across the face and demands he sit in the corner till 1Gbps arrive.

 

[wizardofid]

Pretty sure he is saying there is as much chance of everyone getting all those other services as there is of even 10% of the country getting a 1Gbps internet connection by 2025/6/2036

He said.

Meh, who needs water, electricity, security when you can eat 1Gbps broadband.

He is saying there is more important things, sarcastically. Not sure how you got to your explanation.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Okay then lets take away your internet, list all the things you will have to do differently as a result of that and how it will impact you. Secondly did they say that it will be their primary focus. Which department focuses on which service regardless of how shyte a job they are doing. Your directly implying that a department of the government that has nothing directly to do with each other is so encroached they are incapable of operating however poorly without impacting each other, with the exception of the finance department.

Sure the depart of public works and infrastructure will work closely with the department of communications and digital technologies. I don't see how one department having mandated goals and policies independent of another is going impact whether or not potholes get fixed. Water and sanitation is an entirely different department as well, is the department of education going to fix potholes.

It is a stupid argument that one department that has nothing to do with another some how magically impacts their operation of their department. Is the department of water and sanitation going to fix potholes. You wouldn't dare make the same argument or assumption with a large corporation that has several different operational departments not directly tied to one another.

Which is why governments departmentalize, if it so happens a department does some thing for a change the argument is to blame for every other poorly run department in government for the lack of service delivery. What backward stupid argument is that.

What your saying is a department may not to do that thing because another didn't do their thing that is needed more regardless of that department having no impact whether or not another department did their thing directly. That flies in the logic of how governments is suppose to work if they do their work like there suppose to.

So for me this is part of a huge problem we have in this country.

Each department has a budget, sure and that budget should be utilised to further the departments mandate etc... but we have multiple fundamental crisis' in this country and the budget for these "luxury" items need to be reallocated to solving the fundamental issues in this country. We need safe water, effective effluent treatment, stable electricity, effective law enforcement, effective and safe public transport. 1Gbps broadband is a great and lofty goal but it should not even vaguely be considered whilst we still can't even get the basics of a functioning country right.

Yes I know that if it was done wholesale it would just be a feeding frenzy, and its also not as easy as just saying "Department of Comms, you lose R500m of this years budget, its going to the Department of Water"... but still, we need to fix the fundamentals and stop worrying about the fluff.

**EDIT** Yes its IOL but this is sort of the thinking that pisses me off : https://www.iol.co.za/mercury/news/...-stadium-27df32ac-1490-42b4-b6a2-057668f3ef59
The R20m for fixing the structure is all well and good and needs to be spent if it makes the place safer and last for longer, but currently in Durban the remaining money has 100000 better places to be spent on very fundamental things like water, sewerage and electricity. People are getting sick (and quite likely dying) whilst the city sits with its thumb up its arse and spends money on stupid shyte like this.

 

[mojoman]

Year...

Admittedly I had a few drinks yesterday....

 

[Athos]

Awesome that means the gold plated lambo I wished for is arriving next week!

 

[wizardofid]

So for me this is part of a huge problem we have in this country.

Each department has a budget, sure and that budget should be utilised to further the departments mandate etc... but we have multiple fundamental crisis' in this country and the budget for these "luxury" items need to be reallocated to solving the fundamental issues in this country. We need safe water, effective effluent treatment, stable electricity, effective law enforcement, effective and safe public transport. 1Gbps broadband is a great and lofty goal but it should not even vaguely be considered whilst we still can't even get the basics of a functioning country right.

Yes I know that if it was done wholesale it would just be a feeding frenzy, and its also not as easy as just saying "Department of Comms, you lose R500m of this years budget, its going to the Department of Water"... but still, we need to fix the fundamentals and stop worrying about the fluff.

**EDIT** Yes its IOL but this is sort of the thinking that pisses me off : https://www.iol.co.za/mercury/news/...-stadium-27df32ac-1490-42b4-b6a2-057668f3ef59
The R20m for fixing the structure is all well and good and needs to be spent if it makes the place safer and last for longer, but currently in Durban the remaining money has 100000 better places to be spent on very fundamental things like water, sewerage and electricity. People are getting sick (and quite likely dying) whilst the city sits with its thumb up its arse and spends money on stupid shyte like this.

I kinda expected this argument to come up. Would water and sanitation work better if they had more money, throwing money at the problem isn't going to fix it any faster, there is a root cause that needs fixing, lack of funds isn't it. It comes down to mismanagement, corruption, poor skills, and a number of other factors, money isn't one of them. You can try disproportional budgets but it won't achieve the desired results, without sorting out the root cause. I don't know what each departments operational needs are, rewarding under performing departments isn't one of them.

Sure you could appropriate funds else where, but you just fanning the flames on already bad performing departments making it even more dysfunctional. In the US for example military spending is disproportional to other departments and there has been signs of decay in this regard for a very long time. You just have to look at how concerning US infrastructure is in that it was neglected for so long, you just have to google to see how much of it is falling apart and having to increase the budget only now to try and get things back on track, budget increases can only do so much in the short term.

However poorly management of pretty much every department is no amount of money is going to fix years of neglect. Lastly why should another department take a hit for their incompetence regardless of the service they provide. Throwing money at it isn't the solution nor the problem, fix the damn root cause then we can start talking about rewarding departments with larger budgets.

I rather have mediocrity across the board than complete dysfunction in some. Communications and digital technologies certainly doesn't sound like basic needs but to keep growing the economy or keep it a float is a one of the key points among just meeting the key basics needs. It is perhaps on an individual level less important than on a nation level. Stagnation this area isn't an option.