Nationwide toll roads a necessity: transport minister

when reason fails, name calling has to start

Ben, you're a tit
 
Lol @ all those who said that it would only be a GP problem
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
Lol @ all those who said that it would only be a GP problem
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Exactly. I thought they'd at least wait until GP surrendered before they'd get bold enough to try this **** elsewhere though.
 
These a@@holes will bleed us dry, until there is nothing more to take, what then?
 
Is this so all the money from the fuel levies can go to lavish parties and BMW's? I mean 21 Billion is a lot - if the government did not misappropriate the funds from the fuel levies in the first place there would be no reason to have the toll system in the first place.

Edit I see they mention it in the article.
 
Introducing debate on the transport budget vote in the National Assembly, Martins said it was impossible for the fiscus to fund the road infrastrucutre backlog.
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Mmmmm... I wonder how that happened :confused:

Oh, yeah, that money went to finance Nkandla.... Which, by chance, has nice untolled roads going to it.
 
We're too damn incompetent to do the job with only taxpayer money from SARS. Need more money to fund incompetence & corruption, thus etolling.
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Introducing debate on the transport budget vote in the National Assembly, Martins said it was impossible for the fiscus to fund the road infrastrucutre backlog.

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“If you approximate R14bn per annum from 1994, until around 2010, that gives an approximate R238 billion of fuel levy money misused by this government… government spent the money and now pretends that we have to pay tolls to afford our roads,” said Ollis.
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Yes, I accept that to a certain extent, but if you and your colleagues and henchmen weren't so hell bent on squandering the fiscus, maybe things wouldn't require these extremes.

The Natmap is a long-term plan to roll out infrastructure for the country’s social and economic development.
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In other words, you want to carry on fleecing the country and stifling the economy?

It is clear that government has not listened to the public through their farcical consultations. Government remains determined to go the route of e-tolls as opposed to fuel levies which costs virtually nothing to collect.

So then, it seems that their are third forces at work behind the scenes who are fleecing the country with these ridiculous e-tolls.
 
The DA and the City of Cape Town have not given up the fight. They can make/write plans as much as they want up in Tshwanetoria but it will never be accepted down here. The ANC first needs to overthrow the DA. They are trying very hard ... throwing sh.t on the N2 and burning down traffic signals ... not to mention the large number of jobless people transported from the EC to squat in Cape Town to push up the ANC votes and disrupt service delivery. Old habits die hard for ex freedom fighters.
 
McT said:
It is clear that government has not listened to the public through their farcical consultations. Government remains determined to go the route of e-tolls as opposed to fuel levies which costs virtually nothing to collect.
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They should not be charging us more period. No etolls and not extra fuel levy. The current fuel levy and taxes ahould allready be paying for the new and current roads.
 
cymax said:
They should not be charging us more period. No etolls and not extra fuel levy. The current fuel levy and taxes ahould allready be paying for the new and current roads.
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Of course they should be. It's just that there isn't the money to buy a new Merc/BMW every 6 months AND repair the roads that you drive them on, which means that we need to be taxed more.
 
i cannot believe that you actually get people this stupid that don't realize what BS comes out of their mouths.

I'm sorry, you cannot want to toll the entire country and then still charge:
1. exorbitant fuel levys
2. taxes on those levys
3. annual motor licence renewals
4. taxes when buying a car
5. taxes from working south african salaries

You are telling you still don't have enough money??? Then I'm sorry sir, but you clearly have no financial management to speak off...
 
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Well doh...

Most of the money is not going to the state anyway. Most of the CT tolls will go into the pockets of whichever politically connected business man wins the bids for the right to toll CT's roads.

I've long woken up to the fact that this Gov and their buddy-buddies are stealing this country dry. I don't know if the money is being channeled into the pockets of a few elite, upliftment projects or being channeled into the rest of Africa, but one thing is clear... This cash cow is being milked for all it is worth.

And at some level no matter how much I love this country I know that one day I will have to leave if I want my children and their children to prosper. Because its not really getting any better. The rand just keeps losing value and inflation is high and the state is finding more and more ways to get more money flowing in (from we the people) and more and more creative ways to avoid expending any of that money appropriately.

I mean bloody Eskom is currently holding the spectre of it's own incompetence over our heads for the coming winter. That's not just corporate greed talking... That's the government telling us they want to get paid double for their inability to get anything worth while done.
 
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I'm glad that finally someone is bring up the fuel levy issue.
 
“If you look at the annual budget documents supplied by Treasury and the annual audits supplied by the auditor-general, you can clearly see that between 2003 and 2008, an average of more than R21bn was brought in from the fuel levy (per year), while only an average of R7.4bn was spent on the roads,” Ollis said.

He questioned what happened to the rest of the money.

“If you approximate R14bn per annum from 1994, until around 2010, that gives an approximate R238 billion of fuel levy money misused by this government… government spent the money and now pretends that we have to pay tolls to afford our roads,” said Ollis.
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Every time I read this I wonder how the transport minister can even try to think about tolls, how about just getting your budget back on the income the roads already generate before looking at tolls?

What was that figure on government money lost on irregularities quoted as again...
 
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