NCOP passes bill barring marriage officers from objecting to same-sex marriages

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The National Council of Provinces on Wednesday passed the Civil Union Amendment Bill which bars marriage officers from objecting to marrying same-sex couples.

During a sitting of the NCOP most parties who participated voted in favour, with 33 votes.

This means the bill is one step closer to becoming law after it was also approved by the National Assembly in 2018. The only step remaining now is for President Cyril Ramaphosa to assent to it.
More at : https://www.timeslive.co.za/politic...fficers-from-objecting-to-same-sex-marriages/
 

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EFF MPs who voted against same-sex marriage bill are in hot water

The EFF says it will take to task some of its members in the National Council of Provinces (NCOP) who voted against an amendment bill barring marriage officials from refusing to marry same-sex couples.

On Wednesday, the NCOP voted in favour of the Civil Union Amendment Bill brought to parliament to repeal section 6 of the Civil Union Act, which gives the right to marriage officers to refuse to marry same-sex couples on grounds that include religious belief.

Despite the EFF supporting the bill when it was passed in the National Assembly, some of its members voted against it this week in the NCOP.
More at : https://www.timeslive.co.za/politic...inst-same-sex-marriage-bill-are-in-hot-water/
 

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So a rabbi, iman, preacher etc now has to marry gay people going against their own religion?
There is a law and then there is practice. I don’t see the next pink wedding at your nearest mosque any time soon.
 

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So much for EVERYone's constitutional right to religious freedom and belief.

There are plenty of venues that do same sex marriages, so why go to one that doesn't and try to force them to go against their own religious beliefs?
 

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So much for EVERYone's constitutional right to religious freedom and belief.

There are plenty of venues that do same sex marriages, so why go to one that doesn't and try to force them to go against their own religious beliefs?
Some areas don't have such places, especially small towns and villages.
 

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Some good news for a change.

The constitution states that everyone has the right to freedom of religion, belief and opinion.

It does not say that you can use that religious freedom to impose those beliefs on others or to use them to discriminate.
 

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So much for EVERYone's constitutional right to religious freedom and belief.

There are plenty of venues that do same sex marriages, so why go to one that doesn't and try to force them to go against their own religious beliefs?
Because **** you for not wanting to bake us a cake..
 
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Some good news for a change.

The constitution states that everyone has the right to freedom of religion, belief and opinion.

It does not say that you can use that religious freedom to impose those beliefs on others or to use them to discriminate.
Some religions hold very firm beliefs on homosexuality , they should not be forced to go against their beliefs.
Just let the courts do the same sex unions(it shouldn't be called marriage either as it doesn't fit the definition) but should carry the same weight.
 

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Some good news for a change.

The constitution states that everyone has the right to freedom of religion, belief and opinion.

It does not say that you can use that religious freedom to impose those beliefs on others or to use them to discriminate.
Nothing stopping them from finding a gay or irreligious wedding officer. Why pick one who believes your union is a farce?

So does this mean no marriage officer can turn down your request for them to marry you? Some don't want to marry people they don't know or aren't part of their congregation. Not because they want to discriminate, but rather because they believe it's a personal thing.
 

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So this law forces a rabbi, imam, preacher etc. to go against their beliefs as not to offend you and your beliefs?
 

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Lol I'd love to see 2 homos go and try and get married in a mosque.
 

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Slippery slope is real , this is giving some groups more rights than others , the very definition of inequality.
 

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Slippery slope is real , this is giving some groups more rights than others , the very definition of inequality.
Which extra rights do same-sex couples gain from this ruling besides the right not to be discriminated against ?

This is more about civil unions in registry offices than by clerics in churches.
 

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Which extra rights do same-sex couples gain from this ruling besides the right not to be discriminated against ?

This is more about civil unions in registry offices than by clerics in churches.
This bestows the right for them to infringe on other people's beliefs and forces compliance under penalty of law.
Courts should do it if they want same sex unions , religions that dont agree with sam sex unions should not be forced to do anything.
Clerics in churches are the least of the rainbow of problems , try a mosque or synagogue and see .
Christian appeasement will be its downfall .
 
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