Nersa wants to charge solar panel users up to 1,000% more for power than big mines

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nanonyous said:
Imagine this in a homestead context for a moment.

You produce your own vegetables, poultry meat, maybe some fruit and fish at home.

Obviously, all these things (typically) have seasonal growth patterns. Now imagine you visit a grocer and grab a whole chicken from the fridge, or a bag of oranges out of season.

Now, these things already have higher than in season prices because they are being produced out of season or brought in by the larger-than-your-homestead farms or distribution companies.

The store owner however is told to charge you 10x even that rate, because it's known you produce these things yourself at home in season.

It doesn't take a genius to see this is absurd reasoning on NERSA's past....
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You are dead wrong on this.

Consider someone living in the town, lets call him Tom, who doesn't produce their own food. They have setup a deal where they will pay a monthly fee to said grocer in return for a discount on all products that they buy. This is good business for said grocer as he now has a monthly income with which he can use to pay his bills and use to negotiate better deals with his suppliers.

In walks Frikkie from his homestead, who only buys from the shop once a year. He sees Tom buying all his groceries at a really high discount and demands that the store owner gives him the same discount, despite him only buying once a year.

Is the grocer really being unfair to Frikkie?

This isn't a hypothetical situation even. This is literally Costco's entire business model, and it works incredibly well for them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costco

Costco makes pretty much all their money on yearly memberships. Everything they do involves encouraging subscribers to renew their memberships.
 
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konfab said:
You are dead wrong on this.

Consider someone living in the town, lets call him Tom, who doesn't produce their own food. They have setup a deal where they will pay a monthly fee to said grocer in return for a discount on all products that they buy. This is good business for said grocer as he now has a monthly income with which he can use to pay his bills and use to negotiate better deals with his suppliers.

In walks Frikkie from his homestead, who only buys from the shop once a year. He sees Tom buying all his groceries at a really high discount and demands that the store owner gives him the same discount, despite him only buying once a year.

Is the grocer really being unfair to Frikkie?

This isn't a hypothetical situation even. This is literally Costco's entire business model, and it works incredibly well for them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costco

Costco makes pretty much all their money on yearly memberships. Everything they do involves encouraging subscribers to renew their memberships.
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what fukken discount are you raving about? There's none applied to non-solar-users
 
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neoprema said:
I'm thinking of solar if nothing more than to do something about this constant upgrade/downgrade fee I get charged. Its my first house (always been in a townhouse) and every 2 second month my Tariff rate changes and then I get charged an R860 re-connection fee. October they charged to downgrade, then in December they charged again to change the tariff again. Didn't know this would happen in a house depending on our usage but how do you guarantee you won't use more or less and get moved tariffs every month?
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No man, that's not normal! Where are you?
 
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No stress they can't even make people pay for electricity now. When last did you read about anything government and success in the same sentence they failed with everything Eskom will be closed before they implement it. They running out of paying customers real quick fast and in a hurry
 
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bwana said:
You should get a backup power supply. A small generator works well for me. It's not glamorous but I've never had to throw out the contents of my fridge or freezer.
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My inverter arrived today - solar is going in this week... hopefully I'll be on backup power from Friday.
I will schedule batteries to stay at 80% minimum when on Eskom. When off Eskom, I'll go easy on the power for the first few outages to see what life we have. 200 mah Lithium. Hopefully it'll see us through until Eskom is back on or until the sun shines again if it's not shining.
 
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deweyzeph said:
The title of this article is misleading. It makes it sound as if solar power users are being specifically targeted. If you read the article what they actually mean is that solar power users will be charged the same fixed fee as every other electricity user regardless of whether they use any grid electricity or not. This is currently the situation in most municipalities anyway. Specifically in the City of Cape Town, and I suspect in most municipalities, it's not even possible to cancel your electricity account even if you have an entirely off-grid solution.
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Move to prepaid before doing your solar.
 
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Mystic Twilight said:
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: Dams don't [near] instantly release energy like a battery. Sure it can start spinning a turbine fairly quickly, but there is still a lead up time for the water to be released and start flowing.
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Start it one hour before peak. Planning...
 
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Vrotappel said:
Move to prepaid before doing your solar.
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I also thought of this.

Will this let you avoid the network charges ?

Any other cost implications ? I have 3 phase power (borehole, inline water heating).

Can I use the R3000 electricity deposit to pay for the conversion to prepaid (Joburg) ?
 
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Jola said:
I also thought of this.

Will this let you avoid the network charges ?

Any other cost implications ? I have 3 phase power (borehole, inline water heating).

Can I use the R3000 electricity deposit to pay for the conversion to prepaid (Joburg) ?
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My mother was on pre-paid in CoJ and was not charged the network charge. I don't know about the other stuff. I got her onto pre-paid with no charge due to the fact that she was an old age pensioner.
 
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So. You will be punished for Solar geysers, installed years ago to lower electricity bills, includling those systems installed by the government/municipalities/cANCer in the new RDP developments.
Will they make you pay retro since to day of installation
What about when you purchase property which has these systems installed already??!??
 
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Sinbad said:
what fukken discount are you raving about? There's none applied to non-solar-users
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There is.
Industrial users that use electricity constantly get a discounted rate compared to home users.
Home users that use electricity throughout the day get a discounted rate compared to solar users, who only need the grid at peak times.

This is precisely because power stations we have right now cannot be turned on and off easily.

The real solution, as I have said in this thread is to get rid of the averaging and charge users based on the demand on the grid (which you can approximate by charging different rates at different times). Then every user of electricity can pay the same rate.
 
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