New 007: James Bond's swansong in the next bond movie...to be replaced as 007 by....

thestaggy

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I don't have a problem with this, they just have to be realistic and consistent with history.

Female spies are a reality and are good at their jobs because of one thing. It is because they can get into the pants of the people who they are meant to spy on. I don't really know how popular that would actually be with the modern snowflake audience.

To be fair, they kind of hinted at that with Craig in Skyfall.

 

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I maintain that James Bond is a lousy one-dimensional character whose only interesting quality is his misogynistic casual treatment of women. It's admirable of them to try to modernise him because he is so painfully outdated but I have a feeling it's going to turn into a travesty.
 

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Well to be honest, we have Lesbatron 1000 in the new Terminator movie.

Not like we didnt have awesome female leads:

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That's the sad part.

They are forcing these ''strong independent'' women and it just doesn't work. Then they sh*t all over the public when the films suffer.

Seems Hollywood is incapable of giving us the next Ellen Ripley (a character that was actually written ambiguously and could be played by a man or woman, as was the entire crew of the Nostromo); Sarah Connor; Princess Leia or Clarice Starling. Closest we've gotten in recent years would be The Bride in Kill Bill and Hermione Granger (Harry Potter), females characters that didn't need to take cheap shots to make it obvious that they are being tough women. Charlize Theron's Imperator Furiosa was a little obvious, but a believable character though.
 
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That's the sad part.

They are forcing these ''strong independent'' women and it just doesn't work. Then they sh*t all over the public when the films suffer.

Seems Hollywood is incapable of giving us the next Ellen Ripley; Sarah Connor; Princess Leia or Clarice Starling. Closest we've gotten in recent years would be Beatrix 'The Bride' Kiddo' (Kill Bill) and Hermione Granger (Harry Potter), females characters that didn't need to take cheap shots to make it obvious that they are being tough women. Just characters that evolved naturally and did not seem contrived.

I think Ellen Ripley was the most badass ever. Awesome example.
 
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I maintain that James Bond is a lousy one-dimensional character whose only interesting quality is his misogynistic casual treatment of women. It's admirable of them to try to modernise him because he is so painfully outdated but I have a feeling it's going to turn into a travesty.
In the films he is just that.

But the books he is quite a bit more complex.
 

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I think Ellen Ripley was the most badass ever. Awesome example.
It isn't because she is a woman.

It is because in all the good Alien films, (1,2 and 3), she is the only character that lets reason guide their actions, rather than their emotions.
 

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It isn't because she is a woman.

It is because in all the good Alien films, (1,2 and 3), she is the only character that lets reason guide their actions, rather than their emotions.

8 year old me didnt she her as a woman. All I saw was a ****ing alien and this lead character fighting it head-on.
Same with Bruce Willis. Didnt sink in if it be a man or woman. I just wanted to see the lead character beat the bad person.
 

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LOL, Pierce Brosnan is the 007 I grew up watching, didn't bother with this Craig fellow and wont bother with this new Nancy either
Casino Royal is the best James Bond film by far.

Pierce is too much of a pretty boy to be authentic for the role.
 

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I maintain that James Bond is a lousy one-dimensional character whose only interesting quality is his misogynistic casual treatment of women. It's admirable of them to try to modernise him because he is so painfully outdated but I have a feeling it's going to turn into a travesty.
Thats like saying Batman looks too much like superhero.
 

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Why not rather create a separate franchise for this? I have no problem with portraying a strong black female lead, but why does that mean that there is something wrong with portraying a strong white male lead just because they are white and male? Isn't there room for both? Too much of TV and movies these days seems to be more focussed on punting a particular political/ideological point than telling a great story and entertaining us. I can already guarantee you that the first bond movie with a black female 007 will have all sorts of social justice themes shoehorned into it in the most unlikely ways - it will be something about the plight of immigrants, featuring an abused trans person murdered by an evil white male villain, and a lesbian black chick saving the day and how this is all caused by Brexit and the evils of "whiteness" will somehow be a subtle theme. It's desperately boring. Even if you support all those causes, surely it doesn't mean that every single thing you watch has to be about them?
 

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Well I fell asleep during the last bond movie I watched, so it can only go up.....Hopefully
 

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I don't have a problem with this, they just have to be realistic and consistent with history.

Female spies are a reality and are good at their jobs because of one thing. It is because they can get into the pants of the people who they are meant to spy on. I don't really know how popular that would actually be with the modern snowflake audience.
The other thing they should be realistic with is the reality of what would happen to a female spy if they were caught by the enemy. If James Bond had to endure having his nuts crushed with a knotted rope, the female equivalent should also be on the table. But we all know the bad guys will not be that bad.

Also, they could have just given her another codename and just operate in the same organisation. Heck, it would have been cool to have a cameo and see office banter between her and James Bond. BTW, this does work :ROFL:
Yes, because one thing James Bond has always been, is realistic :unsure::rolleyes:
 
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