New Jersey driver crashes car after passing out from wearing N95 mask

Eric

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Not to be fkd up. But if I can't breathe, I won't keep on driving. Just saying.
Except you can breathe, it's just not oxygen. The transition from lucid to passed out won't be obvious.
 

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Except you can breathe, it's just not oxygen. The transition from lucid to passed out won't be obvious.
So I asked the missus. She's an anesthesiologist, so breathing and dealing with this **** is kinda her game. She's of the opinion that you're smoking your socks.
What will happen is that you will start breathing harder and eventually start hyperventilating if you cannot get enough oxygen. Carbon dioxide buildup simply isn't an issue with these masks.
 

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So I asked the missus. She's an anesthesiologist, so breathing and dealing with this **** is kinda her game. She's of the opinion that you're smoking your socks.
What will happen is that you will start breathing harder and eventually start hyperventilating if you cannot get enough oxygen. Carbon dioxide buildup simply isn't an issue with these masks.
Just wait, there'll be people on this forum that will find a way to argue with a person that literally specializes in airway management and controlling respiration.
 

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“ “Someone wearing an N95 mask for a prolonged period of time may have alterations in their blood chemistry that could lead to changes in level of consciousness if severe,” infectious disease expert Amesh A. Adalja, MD, senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in Maryland, tells Health. But it’s most likely to happen to those who are already predisposed to breathing difficulties, such as smoker, obese people, or individuals with COPD or emphysema”

 

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You need to get used to it and also take into account that all the mask heavy occupations have to test their workers each year. It’s standard Health and Safety practice.
This is the first time I have heard of this Health and safety practice can you maybe provide the link that shows where companies have to test their workers each year for extended mask wear.

I tried googling it and could not find anything
 

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This is the first time I have heard of this Health and safety practice can you maybe provide the link that shows where companies have to test their workers each year for extended mask wear.

I tried googling it and could not find anything
It falls under the OHS act if I remember correctly. When I worked in the SA mines all the workers had to go for an annual checkup. It included a breathing test.
 

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It falls under the OHS act if I remember correctly. When I worked in the SA mines all the workers had to go for an annual checkup. It included a breathing test.
I used to work in a cement factory and our guys also had to get tested annually for breathing but it wasn't because of the masks they were wearing it was because of TB and other respiratory diseases that the masks were supposed to prevent them from.

That is why I am questioning the fact that you claim they had to be tested annually for wearing a mask.

I cannot see anything in OHS (or remember anything in OHS) with regards to your point
 

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I've got sleep apnea. I know exactly when I need oxygen. I'm not sarcastic either.
I've got intense head aches and fatigue when it happens.
I doubt a person doesn't know.
Sure, tired at the wheel and falling asleep I can understand.
We had a case, the person made an accident, so car moved left into the veld. If he said "I fell asleep" the investigation was over, but then he said there was something wrong with the car, and now, "the mask made me". Dash cam's is coming.
 

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I used to work in a cement factory and our guys also had to get tested annually for breathing but it wasn't because of the masks they were wearing it was because of TB and other respiratory diseases that the masks were supposed to prevent them from.

That is why I am questioning the fact that you claim they had to be tested annually for wearing a mask.

I cannot see anything in OHS (or remember anything in OHS) with regards to your point

The point that I was making is that the occupations that require wearing a mask also require them to be tested for respiratory problems.

So using those people as an example that masks don’t harm isn’t solid evidence since they are already tested for good lung capacity.
 

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You keep referencing that site. Has it not already been shown to have more holes than Swiss cheese?
The Swiss Propaganda Research site? Looks credible if you're batshit cray-cray.
 

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So I asked the missus. She's an anesthesiologist, so breathing and dealing with this **** is kinda her game. She's of the opinion that you're smoking your socks.
What will happen is that you will start breathing harder and eventually start hyperventilating if you cannot get enough oxygen. Carbon dioxide buildup simply isn't an issue with these masks.
Smoking your socks will absolutely result in passing out, but wearing a mask? Don't take your wife's word for it.

But can a person lose consciousness from wearing a mask for too long? Some doctors say it can happen.
“It would depend on the mask model and personal risk factors but it is possible,” Dr. Stavros G. Christoudias, a surgeon in Teaneck, told NJ Advance Media.
“It would also depend on the person wearing the mask,” he said. “They could have a host of factors making them susceptible as well, like obesity, smoking, emphysema, COPD, etc.”
Christoudias pointed out that passing out while wearing a mask would not be from lack of oxygen but from an excess buildup of carbon dioxide.
 

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Smoking your socks will absolutely result in passing out, but wearing a mask? Don't take your wife's word for it.

But can a person lose consciousness from wearing a mask for too long? Some doctors say it can happen.
“It would depend on the mask model and personal risk factors but it is possible,” Dr. Stavros G. Christoudias, a surgeon in Teaneck, told NJ Advance Media.
“It would also depend on the person wearing the mask,” he said. “They could have a host of factors making them susceptible as well, like obesity, smoking, emphysema, COPD, etc.”
Christoudias pointed out that passing out while wearing a mask would not be from lack of oxygen but from an excess buildup of carbon dioxide.
A surgeon from a random website talking about potential fringe cases versus the person I'm married to, who is a specialist specifically in managing the repository process of humans. Yeah. One is more qualified to comment than the other. Hint: it's not the surgeon.
 

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A surgeon from a random website talking about potential fringe cases versus the person I'm married to, who is a specialist specifically in managing the repository process of humans. Yeah. One is more qualified to comment than the other. Hint: it's not the surgeon.
Well that's just the point. I'm not arguing for or against, I'm simply arguing that there are people that disagree with your wife.
I'm not sure why anyone would argue the point that someone with existing complications would not be affected by wearing one.
 

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Well that's just the point. I'm not arguing for or against, I'm simply arguing that there are people that disagree with your wife.
The Centre of Evidence based medicine at Oxford also holds the opinion that the current evidence on Masks being effective is not conclusive.

Until we have a Randomized control trial the argument is a just a lot of opinion.



Whether you’re for or against Masks has to do with your personality and politics.
 

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The Centre of Evidence based medicine at Oxford also holds the opinion that the current evidence on Masks being effective is not conclusive.

Until we have a Randomized control trial the argument is a just a lot of opinion.



Whether you’re for or against Masks has to do with your personality and politics.
Exactly. Besides, there are many things that are considered perfectly safe to do, but are contra-indicated for people at risk. If you took a poll and asked if walking is risky, the answer would be a resounding no, but that's not the case for everyone.


Small risk is not no risk. As for the risk to this driver, the risk was driving while not 100% lucid, not the risk of dying from CO2 poisoning.
 
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