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New MTN Data package to be announced 17 Feb 07?
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Last time I checked (some of) the networks excluded P2P and streaming audio from the offer.
YelloFever
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Change that to uncapped and I'll sign up today. Otherwise I'd rather wait and see what Neotel comes up with. It can't possibly be worse than what Telkom offers.
Ok mtn data dude we going to wait and see what mtn has up its sleeves in the future for gprs/edge/3G data users.dont make us wait long.we got money to spend on mtn data.lol at least mtn is a network that listens unlike some other blue and green network (vodacom) lol
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I am considering moving from VC to MTNSP on this new 1GB+1GB offer.
Regarding the conditions stated on http://www.mtn.co.za/?pid=232088 and potential changes in June, am I safe in assuming that NX (or even VNC) will be charged as data without the creation of some special bracket, like with P2P?
Regarding the conditions stated on http://www.mtn.co.za/?pid=232088 and potential changes in June, am I safe in assuming that NX (or even VNC) will be charged as data without the creation of some special bracket, like with P2P?
I heard today that MTN will be penalising anyone that uses "MXIT" with the R25 per meg pricing.
Essentially this closes down MXIT. Do they know yet and how do you think they will react?? How do you think 800 000 MTN MXIT users are going to react?? I wonder how many of these users will now fast track their Number portability over to VC. Mmmm "The one hand giveth the other slappeth".
Essentially this closes down MXIT. Do they know yet and how do you think they will react?? How do you think 800 000 MTN MXIT users are going to react?? I wonder how many of these users will now fast track their Number portability over to VC. Mmmm "The one hand giveth the other slappeth".
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@Dont
have you read this whole thread before you posted ????
hanno
have you read this whole thread before you posted ????
hanno
Dont,
I am not sure that this is true, or that your story has any substance what so ever.
Where is your proof? It is always better to confirm your facts before posting, me thinks.
It also helps to place the link that substantiates your story in your post
What they are saying (officially) is that you are not allowed to use Skype or other VOIP providers via MTN data - sucks, (a byte of data I paid for is is still a byte, no?) but there you have it
http://www.mtn.co.za/?pid=232088
<Snip>In terms of the current regulatory regime in South Africa, please note that these tariffs and the MTN GPRS, GPRS+, EDGE or 3G technologies may not be used to transfer or generate Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) traffic. Should it be found that VoIP traffic was carried over the MTN network using these tariffs or technologies, MTN reserves the right to cancel the agreement that you have with MTN, with immediate effect. You will also be charged retrospectively at R21.93 per Megabyte (VAT excluded) for any VoIP traffic transferred by such means.</Snip>
I am not sure that this is true, or that your story has any substance what so ever.
Where is your proof? It is always better to confirm your facts before posting, me thinks.
It also helps to place the link that substantiates your story in your post
What they are saying (officially) is that you are not allowed to use Skype or other VOIP providers via MTN data - sucks, (a byte of data I paid for is is still a byte, no?) but there you have it
http://www.mtn.co.za/?pid=232088
<Snip>In terms of the current regulatory regime in South Africa, please note that these tariffs and the MTN GPRS, GPRS+, EDGE or 3G technologies may not be used to transfer or generate Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) traffic. Should it be found that VoIP traffic was carried over the MTN network using these tariffs or technologies, MTN reserves the right to cancel the agreement that you have with MTN, with immediate effect. You will also be charged retrospectively at R21.93 per Megabyte (VAT excluded) for any VoIP traffic transferred by such means.</Snip>
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<Snip>In terms of the current regulatory regime in South Africa, please note that these tariffs and the MTN GPRS, GPRS+, EDGE or 3G technologies may not be used to transfer or generate Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) traffic. Should it be found that VoIP traffic was carried over the MTN network using these tariffs or technologies, MTN reserves the right to cancel the agreement that you have with MTN, with immediate effect. You will also be charged retrospectively at R21.93 per Megabyte (VAT excluded) for any VoIP traffic transferred by such means.</Snip>
Lets examine the above MTN rules and conditions above for a minute:
First, would someone please point to the paragraph in the regs that prohibit VOIP over their network. i.e They are claiming here that the regulator are enforcing this upon them, its not themselves. I called MTN and they cannot provide me with the info.
Second, surely if a user ignores this MTN warning, this is then a matter between the user and the regulator, why is is that MTN dish out a fine??? If the law prohibits it then MTN should hand over the matter to the correct authorities. Who is MTN to dish out a fine "determined by them" without the permission or agreement of the regulator?
Third If you want to "ditch your MTN contract" then all you do is "a bit of VOIP" and you can go with a small fine. Sounds like a good deal.
Lets examine the above MTN rules and conditions above for a minute:
First, would someone please point to the paragraph in the regs that prohibit VOIP over their network. i.e They are claiming here that the regulator are enforcing this upon them, its not themselves. I called MTN and they cannot provide me with the info.
Second, surely if a user ignores this MTN warning, this is then a matter between the user and the regulator, why is is that MTN dish out a fine??? If the law prohibits it then MTN should hand over the matter to the correct authorities. Who is MTN to dish out a fine "determined by them" without the permission or agreement of the regulator?
Third If you want to "ditch your MTN contract" then all you do is "a bit of VOIP" and you can go with a small fine. Sounds like a good deal.
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Excuse me ,
but Voip(Voice over internet protocol) has bugger all to do with MXit.
but Voip(Voice over internet protocol) has bugger all to do with MXit.
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@Dont
and i'm still wondering ....
have you read the previous posts in this thread (and other similar ones) before posting ?
Hanno
and i'm still wondering ....
have you read the previous posts in this thread (and other similar ones) before posting ?
Hanno
"Excuse me , but Voip(Voice over internet protocol) has bugger all to do with MXit.
and i'm still wondering .... " "have you read the previous posts in this thread (and other similar ones) before posting ?-"
ANSWER:
I know that MXIT has nothing to do with VOIP
Answer:
Yes I read it all
So to be clear Ive raised 2 issues, (sorry if I have not been clear)
The first was, I hear that "MXIT or any other IM application" is going to attract the same penalty as VOIP ie SKYPE. (I know it is not that way at the moment.) You have requested I show some proof, "Im leaving that up to MTN Data Dude to admit or deny.(after all he should know.)
Second (completely different point) I made some comments about MTN's rules that you pasted from their Web site. These have been around for about 14-18 months. All Im saying here is that I challenge these current business rules and the thinking behind it. (you didnt make any comments on my opinion)
Lets see if MTN Data Dude can shed some light on any of my points.
and i'm still wondering .... " "have you read the previous posts in this thread (and other similar ones) before posting ?-"
ANSWER:
I know that MXIT has nothing to do with VOIP
Answer:
Yes I read it all
So to be clear Ive raised 2 issues, (sorry if I have not been clear)
The first was, I hear that "MXIT or any other IM application" is going to attract the same penalty as VOIP ie SKYPE. (I know it is not that way at the moment.) You have requested I show some proof, "Im leaving that up to MTN Data Dude to admit or deny.(after all he should know.)
Second (completely different point) I made some comments about MTN's rules that you pasted from their Web site. These have been around for about 14-18 months. All Im saying here is that I challenge these current business rules and the thinking behind it. (you didnt make any comments on my opinion)
Lets see if MTN Data Dude can shed some light on any of my points.
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If by "You have requested I show some proof" you are refering to me,
nope that wasn't me that was CCABW
It does seem that you are trying your best to get MTN_DD to respond to your opinions.
As far as I understand things it is not the' regulator' (whoever you think that is) who is opposed to Voip on the MTN networks but MTN themselves as it competes against their normal cell operations.
that being so , it might be probable that IM apps like Mxit might get penalized in the future as they are competing for the income generated by SMS's.
I certainly hope that this would not be the case.
Hanno
nope that wasn't me that was CCABW
It does seem that you are trying your best to get MTN_DD to respond to your opinions.
As far as I understand things it is not the' regulator' (whoever you think that is) who is opposed to Voip on the MTN networks but MTN themselves as it competes against their normal cell operations.
that being so , it might be probable that IM apps like Mxit might get penalized in the future as they are competing for the income generated by SMS's.
I certainly hope that this would not be the case.
Hanno
BTW I called ICASA today and they said they have not approved any VOIP tariffs on 3G for any GSM Network. (Don't shoot the messenger) This leads to the question, how and who gives them the right to charge R25 Per Meg for VOIP, ( which is allegedly Illegal, but there is no evidence supporting this) and "normal" HTTP traffic is charges at R2 per Meg. Data is Data.
ICASA approved the original R2 per Meg for Data, they did not specify what data it covered all Data. So if MTN want to specify VOIP data at a different price they must go to the authority and specify why. Thats how it works.
ICASA approved the original R2 per Meg for Data, they did not specify what data it covered all Data. So if MTN want to specify VOIP data at a different price they must go to the authority and specify why. Thats how it works.
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To Quote the MTN Data Dude:
"Correct we'll be looking at something re P2P in June as it uses up a lot of our radio and IP transmission"
Where should I start........................so voice is cool, but data is now a problem..........
3 years ago Networks were throwing out requests for the Killer GPRS/Data application. They continually communicated their quest to increase Data traffic. Enter MXIT................ and now its a problem. My sentiments "Tough you cant have your cake and eat it".
"P2P uses a lot of our radio and IP transmission. Well go cry on another shoulder. Your network is there to be used or why put it up in the first place? You opened the door. I dont hear Telkom wailing that I use Skype over my ADSL no I can even download a softphone from their web site.
With the insane margins that the networks make and considering the Networks are "long past break even", (it all about sucking profits now) you should get out there and add some capacity.
"Correct we'll be looking at something re P2P in June as it uses up a lot of our radio and IP transmission"
Where should I start........................so voice is cool, but data is now a problem..........
3 years ago Networks were throwing out requests for the Killer GPRS/Data application. They continually communicated their quest to increase Data traffic. Enter MXIT................ and now its a problem. My sentiments "Tough you cant have your cake and eat it".
"P2P uses a lot of our radio and IP transmission. Well go cry on another shoulder. Your network is there to be used or why put it up in the first place? You opened the door. I dont hear Telkom wailing that I use Skype over my ADSL no I can even download a softphone from their web site.
With the insane margins that the networks make and considering the Networks are "long past break even", (it all about sucking profits now) you should get out there and add some capacity.
By the way why cant mtn setup their own im service ? The great thing about mxit is that the data charges are rock bottom ! Now thats what i call great prices.lol why cant mtn have something similar to mxit ? Cant mtn make their data server or whatever they use for data,more like mxit data ? I am talking about data ! I dont know the technical details.