New Package from Telkom(No Port Shaping)

Cerberus · Jun 1, 2004

Hi Guys

thought you might find this interesting:

Wednesday, 2 June 2004 is the day many ADSL customers have been waiting for, as it is the day SAIX will launch an unshaped ADSL service to meet the requirements of a niche group of people in the Internet space.
“In response to this, TelkomInternet will launch an unshaped 4GB TelkomInternet powered by ADSL product, which will be available to customers in addition to our existing 3GB shaped service,” says Steven White, Executive: New Product Development.
Steven explains that the 3GB shaped ADSL service is suitable for users who want to access the net for normal Internet usage purposes. It is shaped to give priority to HTTP (also known as browsing), which is the protocol assigned to most Internet websites. This service is therefore designed for surfing the web or e-mail.
However, the new 4GB unshaped service will offer customers unshaped international bandwidth and a higher data transfer rate than the existing shaped service. It will not shape the un-cached protocols, and all protocols will share the available international bandwidth equally Local bandwidth will stay the same as with the current service where no shaping is implemented.
“This service has been designed for a niche market including for example a typical foreign exchange trader, who uses unfamiliar protocols, which are not bandwidth exhaustive. Telecommuters will be able to build secure virtual private networks to their corporate headquarters, while gamers will be able to connect to any gaming server anywhere in the world,” says Steven.
Once the 4GB designated bandwidth is reached the subscriber will be disconnected on the ADSL network, which means Internet access over an ADSL connection will no longer be possible. Customers can however purchase an additional username to overcome the capping. Alternatively, they can access the Internet via a normal dialup connection with a dialup modem. In this case they will be charged normal Telkom tariffs for line usage.
The monthly cost of the ADSL access portion will remain R680 for residential customers and R800 for business customers. Customers are free to buy their Internet packages from any ADSL-enabled Internet Service Provider. The new unshaped 4GB TelkomInternet powered by ADSL offering is available from Telkom for R879,30 per month for the Prolog package, and R902,31 for Prolog Plus.
Full product details will be available on both the Telkom and TelkomInternet websites from 2 June 2004.

Regards
Cerberus

lewstherin · Jun 1, 2004

The Prolog packages - are those exclusive of line rental?? If they are then Telkom is deluded - theres no freaking way most "niche" market ppl will pay R600 extra ISP fees for one more gig and no port-shaping.

Telkom needs a leash, ICASA needs some guts, and the SA consumer needs to make it happen

Cerberus · Jun 1, 2004

As far as I know it's inclusive of line rental.. but we'll know more tomorrow.

Regards
Cerberus
P.S. Dont shoot the messenger

lewstherin · Jun 1, 2004

We'll see - but from what I see of telkominternet's website, the Prolog ISP fees are already R250p/m + R680 line rental = R930p/m if you include line rental. No way Telkom will drop the price, the port-shaping AND extend the cap..
Thanks for the info C

Telkom needs a leash, ICASA needs some guts, and the SA consumer needs to make it happen

doekvoet · Jun 1, 2004

This must be the Telkom joke of the year - 4Gig of unshaped for ±R 1600 per month - and once the cap is reached no more service.(oops - no - my computer and calender both tell me it is not 1 April)

For less that this you can get a Sentech 512k service with no shaping and no cap.

I can not remember seeing the "niche" market customers (forex traders and gamers) really complain about ping times etc - so who will then be buying this service?

I wonder where and how Telkom does its research, if any at all.

TheRabbi · Jun 1, 2004

R0.22 per MB for unshaped. Sounds about right.

CrazyMadMan · Jun 1, 2004

Telkom.. all i can say is * * * * you!

Fantasy is what people want, reality is what they need. What are you talking about? A niche market?! ITS BROADBAND GET IT INTO YOUR HEAD YOU MORON! Why should we have to watch what we download or what we do!? The rest of the world gets this!!!!! ITS BROADBAND INTERNET MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sneeky · Jun 1, 2004

Lol
Look on the positive side, the mountain moved!!!, pity it went the wrong way though.[B)]

BTTB · Jun 1, 2004

It could be just to satisfy ICASA for whatever its worth.
I’m paying R500.00 odd plus per month to MWeb for 6 gigs and its way more than I ever budgeted for or wanted to spend on the internet. Plus the R800.00 line rental.
Maybe its time we took our families to the beach again for a day out or did some hiking or fishing. Internet access isn’t worth it anymore at those sort of prices IMO.

<hr noshade size="1">You can take Telkom out of the Post Office but you can't take the Post Office out of Telkom.

martin · Jun 1, 2004

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Cerberus
... while gamers will be able to connect to any gaming server anywhere in the world,” says Steven.
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I remember when the original ADSL package was proudly advertised as a gaming solution on Telkom's website. [

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SoulMyst · Jun 1, 2004

The SOLE reason I wanted adsl when it was firt launched was to be able to...wait for it....play games overseas with either my existing 200 ping I get from ISDN via imaginets grahamstown pop no. or a little better ping + the ability to play on public holidays since R7 callmore does not work on public holidays.

Days of downloading porn, warez, mp3 and all other crap is looong gone and the need to play games not hosted by SGS is what matters now.

PING - LATENCY is important, which neither the current adsl system and most defenitely not Mywireless provides [}

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But for R1600+ p/m.....!!!! guess my isdn will have to stay [xx(][xx(]

antowan · Jun 1, 2004

Gamos, we shouldn't be hoping for 10Gb packages! We should be getting unlimited Internet! Above that ordinary 56kb dialup should also have 24/7 connectivity packages with flatrates of no more than R300 in my mind.

Telkom is getting away with blue murder and they are doing this gastly deed to a society which desperately needs to catch-up with the rest of the developed world.

There is no excuse for what Telkom is doing! None! It is a crime, period!

No crap like expecting 10Gb packages! Bull!

I am sure you agree... [

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<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Gamos
 <Checks calender to make sure it is June 1st and not April 1st>

No internet after 4Gb - not even local? Sigh! So much for hoping for un-shaped, 10Gb packages.

I am sorry, but they can keep it!
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He who does not understand the value of war at the right time, cannot comprehend the value of life at any time - Anonymous

sybawoods · Jun 1, 2004

Mmm - not quite what I was looking for, but I'll sign up tomorrow even if just to test for one month. I have an additional ISDN line + an ISDN isp account - all for international gaming. If this product delivers uber international pings, and is really unshaped, I may just bite the bullet and hold onto it. Agree that it's not ideal, but at least we have the choice, and is more stable than Mywireless for both gaming and general speed... at least from what I can tell looking through the Mywireless forums.

sybawoods · Jun 1, 2004

Btw - does a "a higher data transfer rate" mean that it will be something faster than 512/256?

Flippit · Jun 1, 2004

It'd be nice if the total price was R879,30, but with Telkom, you've got no chance of that... Bloody Telkom... ~R500 extra for 1GB and unshaped ports... sod them.

Flippit

Myrrdin · Jun 1, 2004

Hi all.

There is a couple of things that worry me here.

1. Currently R680 + lets say R250 ISP charges = R930 = R0.31 per meg
Proposed R680 + R902.31 ISP charges = R1582.31 = R0.40 per meg
Telkom must think no-one can add 2 and 2 together.

2. <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">“This service has been designed for a niche market including for example a typical foreign exchange trader, who uses unfamiliar protocols, which are not bandwidth exhaustive. Telecommuters will be able to build secure virtual private networks to their corporate headquarters, while gamers will be able to connect to any gaming server anywhere in the world,” says Steven.
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This statement includes all the reasons to get "broadband", VPN, gaming, trading and probably p2p included here. I have a frightening thought that the 3gb package will be shaped as to become unasable for any of these functions forcing us to go for the 4gb package.

3. <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">It will not shape the un-cached protocols, and all protocols will share the available international bandwidth equally Local bandwidth will stay the same as with the current service where no shaping is implemented.
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I can already hear the support calls:
Caller (we) : Why am I only getting 10kb/s downloads.
Telkoms helpdesk : Sir there are a lot of people on, shall I explain contention to you.

4. After 4gb no connection whatsoever, so I have to have a 128K ISDN ISP package as well just in case I exceed my bandwith at around R200 per month. I am already at R1800 with having made a single call on my standby ISDN line.

Is Telkom even in from this f****ing planet.

I for one hope no-one falls for this. Imagine your bussiness getting a DNS attack or horror horror a virus and by the 10th you have no bandwith whatsoever.

Where's my shotgun and the directions to the Telkom office. I feel like going POSTAL.

Of course I don't look busy.....I did it right the first time.

MaD · Jun 1, 2004

"Executive: New Product Development".. bah.. "Restrictive Policies Enforcement Officer" more like it. I could do a better job than him from within a deep coma, this guy has no idea of the money-making potential of Telkom - if only they dropped their prices. But then again that's more work, which they try and avoid.

He should be jettisoned off into the sunset along with those fatt-assed American waste of skins. And people wonder why we are so Xenophobic in this country. Telkom - A Proudly American Company

Where others have progress, we have Telkom.
Hellkom website - http://telkomsucks.0catch.com

TheRoDent · Jun 2, 2004

One has to wonder what is going to happen to the quality of service of normal 3Gb accounts if these 4Gig ****ers get all the good stuff...

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Jerrek · Jun 2, 2004

On the good side, Telkom's stock is almost 4% up.

podo · Jun 2, 2004

TheRoDent,

Probably nothing. As far as I can tell, Telkom have implemented their ADSL PPPoE in such a way that they have "simulated" SAIX PoPs. If you check the IPs you get carefully, you'll notice that no matter where in the country you live, you'll have a Doornfontein IP this time and a Randburg IP the other time and a Midrand IP the next time.

People who are capped are forced into different "virtual PoPs" to force them to have an IP which is routed through the slower line.

While you can enforce traffic limits on a per-address basis, that's way too much work for Telkom's "qualified and highly experienced" Cisco engineers.

Instead, they enforce limits on a per-netblock basis. So, for them to be able to enforce this other traffic limit on the people who buy this new package, they'll have to herd them into different "virtual PoPs" yet again.

This has one advantage though, it means they'll be routing through different real PoPs than we are being routed through and probably won't have much of an impact on the rest of us, since the bottlenecks on Telkom's network are at PoP level, not at their multi-gezillion-gigabit links to SAT3 and SAFE.

Of course, all of this is relative, since to get to the PPPoE "virtual PoPs" we all get routed through, the packets must still traverse Telkom's ethernet over ATM network, which is comprised mostly of 2MBps links between DSLAMs. So, if four people on the same DSLAM as you decide to buy this and all fire up their Kazaa client all at once, you're screwed. [

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