New, unedited 30min video of the WTC attacks

[swordfish1]

Where were you on 9/11. I was at home preparing for my trip overseas, I was sitting at my PC listening to radio and they had a news flash about a plane hitting the one tower. I switched on the TV and E-TV had a live broadcast from Fox News. I saw the 2nd plane hit live on TV. Man, getting goose pimples.

so it seems no one was at work when this happened ... EXCEPT ME of course!

I was workigng at the time, so I watched some of it while at work

 

[bwana]

Wasn't much of an impact in my life (no tears etc) not even mad at anyone. But I did say "well, they were looking for ****, now they got it"

By they you mean the 2800 people at work?

EDIT - so what about the Palestinian, Israeli, or Iraqi civilians dying everyday? Were they looking for **** too?

 

[Alan]

Most people seem to have had a response to 9/11 that could be placed in three broad categories.

1. This is the beginning of an outright war that will last decades getting worse for along time before improving. A war up there with the world wars and cold war in terms of scope(expense, manpower, casualties)

2. The terrorists are a lunatic fringe that just got lucky. They are not really a threat. A limited response ala Clinton after the Embassy bombings and life will return to normal after a few months.

3. The U.S.A got what it deserved. Well done to the freedom fighters. Kill as many infidels as you can.

Just my humble observations

 

[derekc]

I would probably stick with the first one.

 

[MeNeZ]

I was at home watchin K-TV when it happened.

The presentor said that 2 planes had accidentally crashed into the buildings.

I was like W00t?! Must b3 d4 w0rk 0f hxx0rz

Then I switched over 2 CNN & saw the carnage, hectic

 

[.geek]

..and then carried on with your Grade 7 assignment.

 

[MeNeZ]

er...actually I was 19 at the time

 

[noxibox]

I think the US government's treating the world like their own little chessboard, along with their blind support of Israel and ruthless anti-communist dictators has earned them many enemies. Because we believe the delusion of democracy that the people control their country we point fingers at all American citizens. Now those who support every psychotic action the US government takes in the world might well be getting what they deserve, but unfortunately it is always others who get caught in the crossfire.

The terrorists are a lunatic fringe, but the governments of various countries are at best only marginally less lunatic. The protaginists on all sides have no interest in the world becoming a more peaceful place.

This is another aspect of the ongoing war on freedom. The cold war served the useful purpose of allowing governments to justify various anti-freedom measures. When it came to an end the war on drugs was tagged to be its successor, but it proved to be inadequate for the task. The attack in the US in 2001 was perfect and provided the war on freedom with its latest name - the war on terror. This isn't meant to be won any more than the DEA want the drug trade stopped permanently. The war on terror as currently practiced cannot actually defeat terrorism. Certainly not the fundamentalist terrorism which is its alleged primary target. How would the US government rally the people without an enemy? How would they justify a frighteningly expensive military and expeditions abroad to play with their toys?

The whole exercise has so far been hugely expensive - estimated to be sufficicient to have paid off all third world debt (the US shares a common trait that countries will balk at assisting with debt, but happily spend a hundred times as much killing people).

And the religious loony right in the US actually want to not only keep the middle east destabilised, but wish to escalate the conflict because their little book tells them that this will bring about the predicted end times, and ultimately the conflict at Armageddon.

 

[kilo39]

"The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices - to be found only in the minds of men.
"For the record, prejudices can kill and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all its own — for the children, and the children yet unborn."
—
When those who dissent are told time and time again — as we will be, if not tonight by the President, then tomorrow by his portable public chorus — that he is preserving our freedom, but that if we use any of it, we are somehow un-American…
When we are scolded, that if we merely question, we have "forgotten the lessons of 9/11"… look into this empty space behind me and the bi-partisanship upon which this administration also did not build, and tell me:
Who has left this hole in the ground?
We have not forgotten, Mr. President.
You have.
May this country forgive you.
—

Crooks and Liars

 

[Person]

What the hell is up with the music in the back ground ?

 

[Paul_S]

And the religious loony right in the US actually want to not only keep the middle east destabilised, but wish to escalate the conflict because their little book tells them that this will bring about the predicted end times, and ultimately the conflict at Armageddon.

What a load of bollocks. Where in what little book do you get such things from?
In fact I've heard a lot of what you call the "religious loony" praying for world peace especially in the middle East.
And just in case you didn't notice a lot of these loony people don't support Bush with regards to his middle East policies and most llikely won't vote for him again.

I'm getting really tired of the anti-Christian, anti-Bush, "let's appease the terrorists and maybe they won't hurt us" nonsense that the liberal media keep churning out.
London train bombings, Spanish train bombings, attempted train bombings recently in Germany. If you haven't read the religious teachings of the Koran and Hadith you probably won't understand the hidden Islamic agenda which is world domination via any means. The liberal media certainly don't seem to "get it".

 

[kilo39]

London train bombings, Spanish train bombings, attempted train bombings recently in Germany. If you haven't read the religious teachings of the Koran and Hadith you probably won't understand the hidden Islamic agenda which is world domination via any means. The liberal media certainly don't seem to "get it".

Yeah - they sold the crusades on similar claptrap - more marketing for the masses. And Al Qaeda is a bush cia/duplicit mi6 franchise - if it wasn't for them wouldn't the world be a better place. (How to spread peace in the world - bomb them into the stone age - does wonders for world diplomacy.)

Ya - $25 million reward - in constant need of a dialysis machine - but, duh, they don't know where he is - except the occasional sweet postcard through Al Jazeera - Ya right. Pleaze.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

I'm getting really tired of the anti-Christian, anti-Bush, "let's appease the terrorists and maybe they won't hurt us" nonsense that the liberal media keep churning out.
London train bombings, Spanish train bombings, attempted train bombings recently in Germany. If you haven't read the religious teachings of the Koran and Hadith you probably won't understand the hidden Islamic agenda which is world domination via any means. The liberal media certainly don't seem to "get it".

So it's ok to bash Muslims but not ok if it's aimed towards Christians and Jews? It takes two to tango dude, as long as both sides continue fighting then they are both at fault.

Btw there's a hidden agenda within every monotheistic belief for world domination i.e. do things my way or take the highway to hell.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Popular Mechanics respond to Conspiracy attccls

In every single case, we found that the very facts used by conspiracy theorists to support their fantasies are mistaken, misunderstood or deliberately falsified.

Here's one example: Meyssan and hundreds of Web sites cite an eyewitness who said the craft that hit the Pentagon looked "like a cruise missile with wings." Here's what that witness, a Washington, D.C., broadcaster named Mike Walter, actually told CNN: "I looked out my window and I saw this plane, this jet, an American Airlines jet, coming. And I thought, 'This doesn't add up. It's really low.' And I saw it. I mean, it was like a cruise missile with wings. It went right there and slammed right into the Pentagon."

We talked to Walter and, like so many of the experts and witnesses widely quoted by conspiracy theorists, he told us he is heartsick to see the way his words have been twisted: "I struggle with the fact that my comments will forever be taken out of context."

Here's another: An article in the American Free Press claims that a seismograph at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory picked up signals indicating that large bombs were detonated in the towers. The article quotes Columbia geologist Won-Young Kim and certainly looks authoritative. Yet the truth on this issue is not hard to find. A published Lamont-Doherty report on the seismic record of 9/11 says no such thing. Kim told Popular Mechanics that the publication's interpretation of his research was "categorically incorrect." Yet the claim is repeated verbatim on more than 50 Web sites as well as in the film "Loose Change."

Every 9/11 conspiracy theory we investigated was based on similarly shoddy evidence. Most of these falsehoods are easy to refute simply by checking the original source material or talking to experts in the relevant fields. And yet even the flimsiest claims are repeated constantly in conspiracy circles, passed from Web site to book to Web site in an endless daisy chain. And any witness, expert - or publication - that tries to set the record straight is immediately vilified as being part of the conspiracy.

The American public has every right to ask hard questions about 9/11. And informed skepticism about government and media can be healthy. But skepticism needs to be based on facts, not fallacies. Unfortunately, for all too many, conspiratorial fantasies offer a seductive alternative to grappling with the hard realities of a post-9/11 world.

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/conspiracy_cranks_opedcolumnists_james_b__meigs.htm

 

[icyrus]

We've been through all this "its their fault, no its their fault" crap before a hundered times on here. Could we, for this week at least, just let it be and remember those who died for no reason?

Spout your political ravings some other time.

 

[pongo]

I flewd on a plane the other day and a chap in a islam hat sat down next to me. I said to him "hello there fellow so what are you doing tomorow?" and he said "nothing" and I got such a fright a little bit of wee came out

 

[.geek]

I flewd on a plane the other day and a chap in a islam hat sat down next to me. I said to him "hello there fellow so what are you doing tomorow?" and he said "nothing" and I got such a fright a little bit of wee came out

Please don't be stupid.

Along with all your other idiotic posts: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/search.php?do=finduser&u=18474

 

[Paul_S]

So it's ok to bash Muslims but not ok if it's aimed towards Christians and Jews? It takes two to tango dude, as long as both sides continue fighting then they are both at fault.

I totally agree with that statement.
Both sides are to blame but when watching the media or listening to the ANC and some of the Unions here it seems to be very one sided.
Does that mean the Crusades were right? No not at all - what they did was really evil but then again Catholic church isn't Christian even if they claim to be or are labeled as such. Their views and beliefs are certainly not based on the Bible. Heck they even persecuted the Jews.
However does it mean we should allow something similar to happen again by another group?

Btw there's a hidden agenda within every monotheistic belief for world domination i.e. do things my way or take the highway to hell.

Yes, it's just that some of those religions give you a free choice and the others say "convert or die you infidel!".

During the Cold War, there was a great clash of civilizations -- communism vs. Western liberal democracy. And it threatened to destroy us in a nuclear holocaust.

In the mid-1990s Harvard professor Samuel Huntington predicted that the twenty-first century would see a great clash of civilizations between Islam and the West. Nobody paid much attention. After all, we had just defeated communism. There was peace in the world. All was well.

Then came September 11, when we awoke to the fact that there are people out there who want to destroy us -- not just defeat us, but annihilate us.

Why? There has been a lot of hand-wringing in the West about why they hate us. "Maybe if we just got out of the Middle East," some say, "or elected a new government, or abandoned the war on terror, maybe they would change their minds."

Well, what the pundits don't realize is that this is a clash of civilizations. Armies of suicide bombers ought to tell us that their worldview matters more to them than life itself.

The hard truth is that members of Islam's radical branches have no interest in coming to terms with non-Muslims, or even moderate Muslims. To put it bluntly, they don't care whether we're nice or not. To this breed of radical Muslim, there are only two options: convert or die.

Does that sound drastic? Sure. But it's a fact.

The history of Islamic hostility toward the West goes back centuries. Radical Muslims are still smarting over the defeat of their armies south of Paris in the year 732, not to mention the catastrophic defeat of the Ottoman Empire at the gates of Vienna on September 11, 1683. That's right, September 11. Bin Laden chose his date for a reason. He was avenging the defeat of Muslim armies more than four hundred years earlier. September 11 has roots in an irrational hatred of the West.


There was a brilliant but paranoid Egyptian writer by the name of Sayyid Qutb, imprisoned in Egypt in 1956. In 1970, he published a book, IN THE SHADE OF THE KORAN, attacking the West as totally corrupt. Qutb knew what he was talking about. He lived in the United States for a time and saw our decadence. He also read Western philosophers like Heidegger and Derrida and other intellectuals who hated the West. And he read all the anti-Zionist, anti-Semitic literature.

Qutb's IN THE SHADE OF THE KORAN unequivocally advocates the killing of "infidels." He was executed by the Egyptian government, but his brother, Muhammad Qutb, escaped Egypt, went to Saudi Arabia, and became a professor at the university. One of his star pupils was none other than Osama bin Laden. Don't tell me worldviews don't matter. This same worldview now influences millions of radical Muslims -- up to 10 percent, according to some accounts, 100 million. What we're seeing in the Middle East today are not isolated acts of terrorism, but a widespread, well-organized, hatred-fueled movement.

Now, politicians don't like to say politically incorrect things like this, but it's true. We in the West had better understand that we are in a life-and-death struggle with a worldview that wants to destroy us. To see anything else would be tragically blind.

Oh and it's not just an anti-West thing - what about the persecution and murdering of Hindus, Buddhists and other religious groups going on at the moment in the name of Allah? People without a pro-West culture or mindset.
What about Sharia law being imposed on groups of people in African countries against their will?

 

[sparklehorse]

Anybody watched the video? Is it worth downloading or just same old stuff?

Regarding the 'pull' statement:
http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/06-09-11.html

 

[duderoo]

When up to a shop in the UK to buy some cakes as it was my birthday and when I got back.........