New water restriction tariffs hit Cape Town: what you need to know

[Geoff.D]

That is why this thread has lost its value. Everyone tries his own hand at the maths, fails to read posts properly, and then comes up with more doom and gloom or gross optimism.

All that is required is for those that live in CT is to reduce water usage try and meet the targets laid down per person per day as changed. IF only all those in CT would do that and not only the few, maybe the disaster can be avoided.

After 3800 odd posts in this thread and the hundreds of reports referred to, we are all now pretty well informed of all the background. The only thing left is to knuckle down and do our best to help.
Like for example me travelling down to CT to help family members by bring as much water as my 4 x4 can handle. The limitation is not storage capacity but weight.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Picture of my 'Day Zero war room' will be up tomorrow (basically a picture of all the stockpiled 5L bottles)

Don't come and steal now!

 

[daveza]

All that is required is for those that live in CT is to reduce water usage try and meet the targets laid down per person per day as changed.

But we know that is not going to happen so why even include it in any calculations.

 

[genelock]

I believe most of the culprits not saving is residing in the southern subs. well that is what was said on the radio

 

[Geoff.D]

where do you get 350M per day at dayzero?

200 million residential plus 150 million business. That is what that interview article stated.

 

[air]

200 million residential plus 150 million business. That is what that interview article stated.

I would appreciate you posting the link Geoff.D - I can't (based on what I have read) quite get there - I am referring to a dayzero scenario

 

[bekdik]

How many water collection sites will there be?

We have confirmed 149 water points thus far. We started out with a list of 200, but after assessing the sites we found that not all of them were viable. We now have a lead time of five weeks to get the sites going. One wants to pull the trigger on activating the sites at the last minute, because it's going to cost a lot of money to do this – about R200 million. You don't want to activate these sites unless it's absolute necessary.

How will you deal with congestion at the water sites?

We are designing the sites to be both vehicle and pedestrian friendly so that people can collect water in their cars or on foot. It is difficult to know how efficient those two individually are going to be. As we learn people's behaviour you might find sites that will have a drive through because it prevents people from having to find parking. That might have congestion knock-ons that will be very difficult to manage. So we will have staff at all these sites and manage it as we progress.

Non-essential departments are being freed up to work around the water sites and all of our law enforcement agencies, including the metro police, disaster management and fire department will be on site. There will also be first aid and emergency personal. The South African National Defence Force and SAPS have committed their resources to the sites.

One will have to see how this all pans out as there are some variables that are just impossible to predict. We are talking around IT to help with real time information linked to the water dashboards so that people can make informed decisions around where queue lengths are, etc.

Where will the water come from for the water collection sites?

It will come from the existing reticulation system, delivered in underground pipes, not by water tankers. It will be impossible for tankers to deliver water to the 50 to 72 taps at each site. At that stage the water supply to most areas will be shut down so there will be enough water pressure.

How much water will one person be able to collect?

People are allowed to collect up to a hundred litres per day for other people. It's capped at 100 litres so that people don't come and say they're collecting on behalf of 20 people. The reason for that is that the queues have to keep on moving. If you have to collect for more than 4 people you will have to make some prior arrangement.

What about people who can't physically go and collect their water?

Where people simply cannot come for water collection, and they cannot have a proxy collect it on their behalf, like people in old age homes, we will make arrangements for tankers to go deliver it. A communication campaign around this will start next week. Water deliveries will be limited so that the system is not abused.

It remains to be seen whether we all pull together around this time, find common cause, understand that we're all in this together and support each other. Cape Town is great around this and have displayed extraordinary cooperation and assistance after fires or floods in the past.

How will the water pods be regulated?

You will not be required to present identification. Anyone will be able to collect water as it is a basic human right. Not everyone has ID's and checking them and arguing about them will slow the queues down. The vehicle sites will be monitored closely so that people don't bring huge tanks and fill them. The sites are self-inhibiting in the sense that you can't physically carry 100s of litres away so that will also help.

This kind of puts paid to claims that there were plans in place.

 

[Zoomzoom]

I remember when GrahamTek approached the city in May 2017 with a proposition when the city was more open to desalination.

https://www.iol.co.za/weekend-argus/news/city-of-cape-towns-water-bungle-11575998

I said this before - but follow the money. WHO is getting the contracts? What relationship do they have with anyone on the council? De Lille's sister was given the contract for the water regulation device things but when I said that it was a nice bit of cash for someone installing them I was jumped on - it IS a nice bit of cash for De Lille's sister!!! Now tell me again how there isn't a *****-ton of corruption/nepotism involved in all of this. I know this isn't helpful to the issues at hand, but the issues at hand are in part caused by this kind of cr@p.

Grahamtek clearly aren't related to anyone important hence getting kicked in the teeth. The money has to flow into the right pockets. Don't you know how it works in SA?

 

[air]

@Zoomzoom - you know how this works, where is the link where it states De Lille's sister was given the contract? And just because you provide a link does not qualify it as being legit.

 

[theratman]

@Zoomzoom - you know how this works, where is the link where it states De Lille's sister was given the contract? And just because you provide a link does not qualify it as being legit.

It's been alleged

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.za/201...h-de-lille-s-mismanagement-report_a_23332900/

 

[RedViking]

I said this before - but follow the money. WHO is getting the contracts? What relationship do they have with anyone on the council? De Lille's sister was given the contract for the water regulation device things but when I said that it was a nice bit of cash for someone installing them I was jumped on - it IS a nice bit of cash for De Lille's sister!!! Now tell me again how there isn't a *****-ton of corruption/nepotism involved in all of this. I know this isn't helpful to the issues at hand, but the issues at hand are in part caused by this kind of cr@p.

Grahamtek clearly aren't related to anyone important hence getting kicked in the teeth. The money has to flow into the right pockets. Don't you know how it works in SA?

I don't mind if they use people they know or trust, the problem is when they get over paid and can't really do the work.

 

[SauRoNZA]

https://www.facebook.com/seanmrg.goss/posts/10156160149986757

:wtf:

Std 3 maths obviously.

 

[air]

It's been alleged
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.za/201...h-de-lille-s-mismanagement-report_a_23332900/

1.5 lines or thereabouts on the WMD bit, dare I say a tad light on detail ;-)

That Sean Goss individual is a tad touched, decent comic relief at best - sad thing is that there are people out there who actually believe the **** he spouts.

 

[BTTB]

1.5 lines or thereabouts on the WMD bit, dare I say a tad light on detail ;-)

That Sean Goss individual is a tad touched, decent comic relief at best - sad thing is that there are people out there who actually believe the **** he spouts.

Yep, I think that Goss guy has painted himself into a corner and instead of acknowledging that his view isn't correct continues with the blame game. So unhelpful and unnecessary. Its this kind of trolling and misinformation that is polarising South Africa across all spheres. Someone just needs to simply say, stop talking sh1et and be done with it, than trying to reason with the unreasonable or people who probably have some other agenda.

 

[noxibox]

with the current situation it amazes me how people still place such high value on the vegetation such as grass and plants

People have invested years of time and money into their gardens so it is totally reasonable to put effort into keeping it alive. Using grey water, along with measures to minimise evaporation, it is perfectly possible to do so too. Recovering a garden can take a decade or more.

 

[theratman]

Eish not very smart from Zille. Thought it was fake until I verified it myself

 

[BTTB]

People have invested years of time and money into their gardens so it is totally reasonable to put effort into keeping it alive. Using grey water, along with measures to minimise evaporation, it is perfectly possible to do so too. Recovering a garden can take a decade or more.

Google "The 7 Principles of Xeriscaping"

with the current situation it amazes me how people still place such high value on the vegetation such as grass and plants

Sorry, now is the time to place even more attention!
Difficult to understand where you are coming from with this statement. If you are thinking we should use fresh drinking water in your garden then yes that is a definite no and also illegal at present since Level 4 Water Restriction and we are on Level 6 currently.

There are many ways of working around the water restrictions and your garden, in fact once this crisis is over and the rains return I think many people are going to have a surplus of excess water to use in the garden. You cannot store water in a tank indefinitely without treating or boiling it etc.

Just your shower and bath water is sufficient to water a garden of over 100 square meters, however in winter you will have to direct that water back to the Council waste pipe as you will be over watering the garden.
Then there is the water from your washing machine you could use too.
In Cape Town, the majority of the population live over The Cape Flats Aquifer which is a sand aquifer that rises to the surface and daylights every year and those citizens only need to install a cheap well point and set it down a few meters to access this resource.
There are thousands of Theewaters below our feet. Its not the greatest water but fine for the garden. Some people have added filters and things to their well point water and are cycling it through the house and now off the grid in a manner of speaking.

The really sad part is Agriculture. The West Coast is DRY!
Some farmers I have heard are selling equipment to survive.
We here in the Cape have options, many up the West Coast don't.

 

[krycor]

I think SA needs this on dams.. solves evaporation and electricity issues (which will help with desalination energetic requirements)

https://youtu.be/tVXKMySypzs

 

[Archer]

National Water Services have confirmed they will not provide any money to CoCT for water augmentation

https://www.iol.co.za/weekend-argus/news/city-of-cape-town-is-alone-in-water-crisis-12965062

 

[BTTB]

National Water Services have confirmed they will not provide any money to CoCT for water augmentation

https://www.iol.co.za/weekend-argus/news/city-of-cape-town-is-alone-in-water-crisis-12965062

Money aside, perhaps Ramaphosa has another view and should.