New water restriction tariffs hit Cape Town: what you need to know

[theratman]

When did the WC Government ask for bulk water?

Why did Zille not sue? (The DA is usually very quick for that).

The Government is as guilty of crass and gross incompetency than that WC government and COCT.

Doesn't suit his narrative.

 

[Dave]

Doesn't suit his narrative.

Can you rebut any of his statements? for example about the government parachuting in the ex-SAA head, Dudu Myeni, to manage the desalination plant construction.

 

[Gordon_R]

https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/...-drop-in-water-pressure-soon-maimane-20180130

Expect a planned drop in water pressure soon - Maimane

Ours started on Fri 26th!

Maimane said the priority message now was for citizens to expect a significant reduction in water pressure in the coming weeks in high-use areas.

The number of areas affected would also be expanded.

"This means that residents will start to experience a noticeable drop in pressure for most of the day, and those in high-lying areas and in apartment blocks may have water service interruption for several hours at a time," he said at the party's Cape Town offices on Tuesday.

Our water went off at 5pm this afternoon!

"People should not be alarmed or panic when this happens, and should plan accordingly. This is the planned pressure reduction programme being implemented by the City to reduce consumption."

If it was planned, why weren't we given advance warning?

He acknowledged that communication about the City's plans had been "poor" over the past few months, but promised it would be better going forward.

No kidding!?

Maimane also announced that the City had secured an additional 67 million litres a day for a period of approximately 60 days, starting from early February.

The target had initially been an extra 120 million litres by May.

"But now, more than half will be available from early February. This water will be transferred from the Palmiet-Kogelberg dam, which has had excellent rainfall and is full.

Some good news!

Residents heard on Tuesday that their response to the imminent arrival of Day Zero has pushed the date back by four days, from April 12 to April 16.

I disagree with the numbers, but its a move in the right direction. Doesn't say if this includes the extra 67 million litres a day, or not.

Maimane acknowledged that the four extra days "may seem small", in comparison to the task at hand, but it showed what one "significant" week of saving could do.

Typical PR-speak. The Day Zero estimate is a thumbsuck, and has been massaged to fit the 'message'...

 

[zolly]

Saw this posted elsewhere, might be of interest to CT residents.



https://www.facebook.com/bart.henderson.5/posts/10156019509094174

Lol. This is the ravings of some ultra-paranoid guy on Facebook.

 

[zolly]

https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/...-drop-in-water-pressure-soon-maimane-20180130I disagree with the numbers, but its a move in the right direction. Doesn't say if this includes the extra 67 million litres a day, or not.

I hope they don't clarify the statement. The majority are finally starting to step up their conservation efforts (way more dark green dots on the Cape Town water map than there were before De Lille's OMG we're farked statement) and if you tell them there's extra water available they'll just go back to their old habits...

 

[Dave]

Lol. This is the ravings of some ultra-paranoid guy on Facebook.

He doesn’t sound like a crackpot. (I actually checked he wasn’t some tinfoil conspiracy theorist before posting).

Bart Henderson

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[theratman]

Can you rebut any of his statements? for example about the government parachuting in the ex-SAA head, Dudu Myeni, to manage the desalination plant construction.

Check the link I posted for a more neutral opinion. I also asked questions in my response, the obvious being if the city is so blame free why did they remove De Lille from handling the crisis?

I don't disagree with everything he said, nor do I think he's crackpot theorist, but he's pushing an obvious agenda and that's pretty obvious.

De Lille asks gvt to hold off on desalination : http://www.capetownetc.com/news/city-rejected-governments-help-last-year-mokonyane/

August 2017 : https://www.timeslive.co.za/politic...pe-town-water-plan-and-warns-of-higher-bills/

 

[f2wohf]

Can you rebut any of his statements? for example about the government parachuting in the ex-SAA head, Dudu Myeni, to manage the desalination plant construction.

I didn’t say he was lying or his facts were wrong.

I’m only saying that he forgot the other half of the facts, he sees it only from one side.

The argument for Umgeni is that they have experience in drought management, which is hard to deny.

Don’t misconstrue me, I said they have experience, I didn’t say results.

But they do have more experience that the other large water boards.

 

[daveza]

Deputy mayor - "together we can push out day zero".

The word avoid is no longer used.

 

[Rouxenator]

Stellenbosch is green, hey?

Lovely green indeed.

 

[Dan C]

We will donate you guys some water

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/30/africa/cape-town-water-campaign-intl/index.html

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

No more water from Berg river for the farmers. Thanks for the sacrifice - hopefully the CoCT can compensate you somewhat for your losses...

No more water to be released into Berg River from today - farmers on their own now - >80% of crop still out hanging! �� tough times #WaterCrisis
#Harvest18

https://twitter.com/markoroux/status/958214092174647296

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Joburg unveil new plans to prevent a water crisis like CT's from occurring:

 

[theratman]

Joburg unveil new plans to prevent a water crisis like CT's from occurring:

Haha, I remember Zille moaning about refugees coming to the Cape

 

[f2wohf]

Justice Factor on eNCA on the water minister’s reaction right now.

 

[Zoomzoom]

Joburg unveil new plans to prevent a water crisis like CT's from occurring:

the only problem with that map is that it is basically only Gauteng, OFS and KZN that do not currently have a water crisis. The wall is in the wrong place.

 

[f2wohf]

Can't make a summary of what the minister is saying on eNCA since DSTV cuts every 2 words and I can't hear a full sentence.

Cape Town's deputy mayor Ian Nielson says plans to build additional desalination plants in the city are currently at tender stage and could be announced in the next few weeks.

Democratic Alliance leader Mmusi Maimane held a press conference on Tuesday, along with members of the City of Cape Town's drought crisis team.

Residents were told on Tuesday that their response to the imminent arrival of Day Zero has pushed the date back four days, from April 12 to April 16.

https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/...lination-plants-at-tender-stage-city-20180130

 

[f2wohf]

I can hear two points that she mentions:

- Umgeni is relevant because Durban already adapted to the drought, grey water is already massively used, and they have went through many droughts properly;
- Zille has walked away from presidential committees on the drought, from presentations by de Lille of the city's plans while politics should not be brought in this matter, it needs an efficient and pragmatic solution.

 

[zolly]

He doesn’t sound like a crackpot. (I actually checked he wasn’t some tinfoil conspiracy theorist before posting).

What this is saying in a nutshell is that Cape Town as ground zero is potentially the epicenter of potential civil unrest which will start among the poor and spread to engulf the entire pininsula and beyond.

If ever the time and opportunity were present to fan the flames of anarchy, dissention and revolution in this country for the many being primed to hate by a post Mandela ANC, this is it.

It has the potential to prove the ideal recipe for state intervention leading to a state of emergency, the imposition of martial law and very possibly lead to wider civil unrest and even civil war.

While I have no doubt that things could get very bad in terms of crime and civil unrest (even though every other town in this country that's run out of water indicates otherwise), the idea that the water situation could lead to civil war is a load of doo doo. We're more likely to head that way with the JZ situation than we are with water, and even then it's extremely low.

If the one with the power to do something also happens to be the one who benefits the most from infrastructure, service and delivery collapse, it stands to reason they have a conflict of interest.

As much as the ANC may hate the fact that the DA is running the Western Cape, collapsing the province would ultimately be very, very BAD for them. Not to say there aren't any issues, because obviously there are, but I believe the DA will appeal to the right people in the ANC (see 1 x Cyril Ramaphosa) for assistance.

This in the face of social media campaign's of 'unknown' origin openly encouraging the grand scale wastage of tap water to push the City of Cape Town over the brink and into total anarchy.

I spend a lot of time on Twitter and I have not seen anyone suggesting we should be using more water. A few crackpots here and there are drought denialists, but they are a dying breed. Even the Water Coalition is more about removing the privatisation laws and increasing access to natural water sources, despite their opposition to the CoCT.

So yes, some of his points are... well, on point, but then he goes and blows it completely out of proportion.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

the only problem with that map is that it is basically only Gauteng, OFS and KZN that do not currently have a water crisis. The wall is in the wrong place.

Thanks a lot , genius. That's an edit of the "South Africa according to capetonians map" . And the border wall is where the "pretty mountains" were.

And the refugees story....try and figure that out