New water restriction tariffs hit Cape Town: what you need to know

[Rouxenator]

Do u even read the rubbish u type?

Do you even think about the rubbish the media and politicians feed you?

 

[theratman]

Water smuggling is now a thing

https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/...ggle-water-to-western-cape-illegally-20180201

 

[Enzo Matrix]

Do you even think about the rubbish the media and politicians feed you?

Yeah they making it all up. Lmao :wtf:

 

[Zoomzoom]

Can you tell us which ones?

all RO water suppliers use municipal water and lots of of it. I forget how many liters of 'dirty' water it takes to produces 1 liter of clean RO water, but it is a lot.

 

[C4Cat]

all RO water suppliers use municipal water and lots of of it. I forget how many liters of 'dirty' water it takes to produces 1 liter of clean RO water, but it is a lot.

Do you know how many suppliers are based in Cape Town?

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

A whole 7 million litres...whoop-de-doo.

CAPE TOWN - The Strandfontein desalination plant is still under construction phase and it’s expected to come online between late February and early March.

The City of Cape Town held a site visit on Thursday.

It’s one of three temporary desalination sites, with the others situated at the Waterfront and Monwabisi.

Mayoral committee member for water Xanthea Limberg says the desalination plant will produce a total of seven million litres of potable water from seawater.

The first phase is expected to produce two million litres in March and the second phase will output five million litres in May.

“This particular plant is scheduled to start bringing water online by March 2017.”

Limberg adds the temporary plant will be operational at the site for only two years.

http://ewn.co.za/2018/02/01/strandfontein-desalination-plant-to-come-online-in-march

 

[DeathStrike]

A whole 7 million litres...whoop-de-doo.



http://ewn.co.za/2018/02/01/strandfontein-desalination-plant-to-come-online-in-march

"It’s one of three temporary desalination sites"

that is what i don't get? why temporary? i thought that this drought is the 'new normal' so why only 2 years?

 

[Geoff.D]

"It’s one of three temporary desalination sites"

that is what i don't get? why temporary? i thought that this drought is the 'new normal' so why only 2 years?

Because as you point out, it is a toy plant, hopelessly under capacity to really make a dent in the problem.

 

[Rouxenator]

Yeah they making it all up. Lmao :wtf:

A lot of it, not all of it. Yes, it has been dry the last few years, we need to reduce consumption. The way they go about it though is by telling people there is no water and they are above the usage level and we will run out of water.

Glad most people are falling for it else we really would be in deep s....t

 

[Enzo Matrix]

A lot of it, not all of it. Yes, it has been dry the last few years, we need to reduce consumption. The way they go about it though is by telling people there is no water and they are above the usage level and we will run out of water.

Glad most people are falling for it else we really would be in deep s....t

You are in deep s..t

 

[Rouxenator]

You are in deep s..t

So, if I may ask, how often to you visit the dams around Cape Town? Maybe see what the rivers are doing?

Granted, I am in the Boland in a town that is decreasing it's dependence on Cape Town water sources. But really people, it does not take a rocket surgeon to figure out what is going on once you see their lies and the MO they follow.

 

[BTTB]

A whole 7 million litres...whoop-de-doo.



http://ewn.co.za/2018/02/01/strandfontein-desalination-plant-to-come-online-in-march

Palmiet may well save us from Day Zero or at least push it out even further by 4 days with 65 Million Litres per day for around 60 days.
Glimmer of hope for Cape Town as day zero pushed back by four days
More info > Cape Town water crisis: Could Palmiet save us from Day Zero?

 

[Zoomzoom]

Do you know how many suppliers are based in Cape Town?

Pretty much every water shop and similar with the big tank in the shop .... want to Google RO water distributors in CT?

 

[Gordon_R]

A whole 7 million litres...whoop-de-doo.

http://ewn.co.za/2018/02/01/strandfontein-desalination-plant-to-come-online-in-march

I hope they mean 7 million liters per day, not production for the whole month. Most likely misquoted by innumerate journalists...

Because as you point out, it is a toy plant, hopelessly under capacity to really make a dent in the problem.

It may be a toy, but IMO it will prove an important political and economic point. To make desalination work, you need to spend 'Eskom nuclear' type amounts of money!

Alternative supplies such as aquifer boreholes, and recycling, can produce much larger quanities of water, at a much lower upfront capital cost, and can be scaled back when no longer needed.

 

[Rouxenator]

What I would like to see is a list of dams with the date/time they will be depleted if no rains occur.

Because I have relatively easy access to most of these I can then go and look for myself if the rate at which the water level drops correlates to the dates.

That's all I need to completely debunk this.

 

[Zoomzoom]

I hope they mean 7 million liters per day, not production for the whole month. Most likely misquoted by innumerate journalists...



It may be a toy, but IMO it will prove an important political and economic point. To make desalination work, you need to spend 'Eskom nuclear' type amounts of money!

Alternative supplies such as aquifer boreholes, and recycling, can produce much larger quanities of water, at a much lower upfront capital cost, and can be scaled back when no longer needed.

Uhhh and the point is? Why else do this other than to justify insanely raising the price of water. If ANYONE in COCT thinks the price of water will go down after this crisis is over you need to think again.

Did the price of electricity go down after they manufactured a fake crisis?

Why do you think water is different whether the crisis is real or not?


Let's think this through - Eskom wants to jack up fees and isn't allowed to and their buddy the Gupta's want to sell them a LOT of coal at a really crazy price and aren't allowed to. ..... hmm how do we get around this problem ... oh I KNOW ... make a fake crisis that will allow us to charge whatever we like to pay for the cost of starting up all those coal-fired plants we just didn't know what to do with, and to pay for the really really expensive coal we otherwise didn't need .... woohoooo dumb-arse public will never figure it out.

Lo and Behold citizens we get rolling black outs, coal power stations are running again, and the price of electricity goes uuuUUUUUPPPPPPP! and NEVER goes back down again. In fact poor ESKOM pleaded poverty because the dumb-arse public actually took the crisis seriously and stopped using so much electricity!! So they really managed to cry giant crocodile tears and get a basic tariff approved to make up for the losses because those BAD consumers just saved too much.

Now ... how similar does any of this sound to the water crisis? The DA are a lot of things, but I suspect they rather admired the plots of ESKOM and decided to take a leaf out of their book.

Now how on earth do you jack up the price of water when you are not allowed to put it up insane amounts ... hmmm 'drought' tariff.

How on earth do you get the stupid public to fund expensive desalination plants I BET some aunty, uncle, long lost relative twice removed benefit from financially?

Ooooh I KNOW ... lets wait for a bit of rain shortage and pretend like the city is going to run out of water .... ooooooh AND bonus bonus bonus we can EVEN get to be the heroic saviours after burning the ANC big time for messing up 'bulk' water delivery by managing to draw out the water until it rains again .... WOOHOOOO ... oh and you know those a-hole experts that have been nagging us to build infrastructure ... SHUT them UP tooo!!!

Elections 2019 here we Cooooooommmmeeeeee!!!

 

[Geoff.D]

I hope they mean 7 million liters per day, not production for the whole month. Most likely misquoted by innumerate journalists...



It may be a toy, but IMO it will prove an important political and economic point. To make desalination work, you need to spend 'Eskom nuclear' type amounts of money!

Alternative supplies such as aquifer boreholes, and recycling, can produce much larger quanities of water, at a much lower upfront capital cost, and can be scaled back when no longer needed.

Ja agreed. If seen as a proof of concept trial and the economic realities are demonstrated then it will have served a good purpose.

Of course the purpose will only result in a change of policy and focus IF the politicians want to change.

 

[Gordon_R]

Palmiet may well save us from Day Zero or at least push it out even further by 4 days with 65 Million Litres per day for around 60 days.
https://www.news24.com/MyNews24/cape-town-water-crisis-could-palmiet-save-us-from-day-zero-20180126

Already posted 5 pages back: https://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showth...ed-to-know?p=21048433&viewfull=1#post21048433

This mega-thread is becoming unwieldy, need to have more sub-threads IMO.

I'm thinking of a FAQ thread, for detailed information which is definitive, and not 'news' nor rumour...

If ANYONE in COCT thinks the price of water will go down after this crisis is over you need to think again.

Edit: I have stated repeatedly in this thread, that historically the price of bulk water in CT has been based on the cost of transport, with no reflection on its scarcity value. This must change, though the process of doing so in an equitable way is complex (and political).

P.S. I don't know whether I agree with anything you say, but I definitely don't believe in conspiracy theories...

 

[DeathStrike]

What I would like to see is a list of dams with the date/time they will be depleted if no rains occur.

Because I have relatively easy access to most of these I can then go and look for myself if the rate at which the water level drops correlates to the dates.

That's all I need to completely debunk this.

http://niwis.dws.gov.za/niwis2/SurfaceWaterStorage

this might help get you started.

can zoom in and see all the dams and levels.

 

[Zoomzoom]

Already posted 5 pages back: https://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showth...ed-to-know?p=21048433&viewfull=1#post21048433

This mega-thread is becoming unwieldy, need to have more sub-threads IMO.

I'm thinking of a FAQ thread, for detailed information which is definitive, and not 'news' nor rumour...



Edit: I have stated repeatedly in this thread, than historically the price of bulk water in CT has been based on the cost of transport, with no reflection on its scarcity value. This must change, though the process of doing so in an equitable way is complex (and political).

P.S. I don't know whether I agree with anything you say, but I definitely don't believe in conspiracy theories...

Look the ESKOM thing is not a conspiracy theory. And the DA does like to push the prices of everything up. I do think they believe that the price of water in SA is undervalued OR they see it as easy money (or both) whichever it is they do push hard for maximum increases.

I just don't see it as the hugest stretch for some naartjie to look at what ESKOM did and adapt that playbook to take the fullest advantage of a crisis.

Think about it.

Blame ANC for failing to deliver bulk water - check
Put the price of water up to amounts we would never in a million years get permission to do otherwise - check
Get a combo of the public and national government to fund the expensive desalination plants we have been told we need for donkey's years - check
Look like heroes when we 'save' the city - check (well probably but let's see if I am right on this one).


I see a LOT of benefits for the DA in this crisis PROVIDING they are in control of it. The only way for this to end badly for them, is if they are not in control, and the weather and their utter failure to govern properly has caught them in flagrante delicto with their pants not so metaphorically around their ankles. In which case the COCT is so f---cked that no-one will care what happens to the DA.

Which scenario fits the narrative you see playing out better? I do not think they created the situation but I do think they are playing it to the maximum benefit for themselves.