New water restriction tariffs hit Cape Town: what you need to know

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The ANC must not be so quick to forget that it was not all that long ago that Gauteng was in dire straits when it came to it running out of water. Thankfully the rain came and filled up the dams. They should keep in mind though also that they are presiding over a country, not just one province that is considered a water scarce country and which is extremely vulnerable to rain fluctuations etc. It is only going to get worse. Best they stop throwing imaginary feces around and doing the blame game, and start putting forward a comprehensive and implementable plan for the country as a whole to make sure we have enough water for not only the people, but for industry to flourish also. We live in a country of which a very large chunk is semi arid......best we remember that and act like it and plan accordingly.
 

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Not keen to drink desalinated water, hearing a lot about that its not good for you in the long term.
One old man I spoke with yesterday had a theory that the bulk of the middle east uses desalinated water and hence why they are so warlike or words to that effect.

I really hope that was said in a joking manner. If not, then I would assume his old age has started having a effect on his reasoning power.
 

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I doubt they will say it publicly, especially when they they are the begging party.
Here and there an odd official may volunteer information verbally and that is often how internal information is leaked into the public domain.
I read that the approval to drill into the Aquifer was only given about 2 weeks ago when a complaint was made in parliament to Zuma and then such approval was given by the Minister from overseas.

Valid point, the council cannot harvest groundwater without permission from the national government (DWA)!

All I can say is this ... whatever happens water in future is going to cost an arm and a leg, so if you are a resident that uses more than 20 to 30 Kilolitres a month and wishes to save your garden as example, its time to make a plan. Recycle, rain, well points ... just do it. At the end of the day water is now a very expensive commodity whether we wish to acknowledge it or not.
The buffer water we have been enjoying all the years is a thing of the past.

Rainwater harvesting is only economically viable for the 1% of the population using more than 20-35kl/month, where the tarrif becomes punitive (R44 and R114 per kl). The amount of water saved this way would be small relative to overall consumption, so its a gesture (or desperation) rather than a real a real strategy. Ironically tarrifs have been published for consumption which is now illegal under the level 5 restrictions.

The big issue in the Western Cape is that rain falls in winter, but demand is highest in summer. For every household to store 6 months worth of water is impossible, there isn't enough plastic or cement to build tanks big enough (nor space to put them).

Those who live on the aquifer can use boreholes to save their gardens. Where I live in Kenilworth we cannot do this (clayey mountain soil at depth), so our garden will die...
 

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Rainwater harvesting is only economically viable for the 1% of the population using more than 20-35kl/month, where the tarrif becomes punitive (R44 and R114 per kl). The amount of water saved this way would be small relative to overall consumption, so its a gesture (or desperation) rather than a real a real strategy. Ironically tarrifs have been published for consumption which is now illegal under the level 5 restrictions.

The big issue in the Western Cape is that rain falls in winter, but demand is highest in summer. For every household to store 6 months worth of water is impossible, there isn't enough plastic or cement to build tanks big enough (nor space to put them).

Those who live on the aquifer can use boreholes to save their gardens. Where I live in Kenilworth we cannot do this (clayey mountain soil at depth), so our garden will die...
Can you clarify the sentence in bold, not sure I understand.

I am not far away if you require a few thousand litres.
You will need a bakkie and a tank.

There is probably lots of water where you are but you would need a borehole, which is rather expensive, heard amounts in excess of R100K.
 

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Can you clarify the sentence in bold, not sure I understand.

I am not far away if you require a few thousand litres.
You will need a bakkie and a tank.

There is probably lots of water where you are but you would need a borehole, which is rather expensive, heard amounts in excess of R100K.

Anyone using more than 20kl per month is liable for a huge fine (unless they can justify it). See: http://www.capetown.gov.za/Family a...2016-residential-water-restrictions-explained

Level 5 water restrictions
The City has approved Level 5 water restrictions, effective from 3 September 2017 until further notice. Level 5 restrictions entail a ban on all use of municipal drinking-quality water for outside and non-essential purposes. Existing tariffs remain unchanged, but domestic properties with usage above 20 kilolitres per month will be subject to excessive water consumption fines.

Edit: Tactics have also included the fitting of water restrictors (at a cost of R4K+ to the user). Discussed a few pages back: https://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showth...fs-hit-Cape-Town-what-you-need-to-know/page73

Our garden service has a bakkie and a tank. Nobody is sure if this is legal...

Our property has an old shallow level well-point, but it only provides water in winter. Also heard big numbers for deep boreholes...
 
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Anyone using more than 20kl per month is liable for a huge fine (unless they can justify it). See: http://www.capetown.gov.za/Family a...2016-residential-water-restrictions-explained



Our garden service has a bakkie and a tank. Nobody is sure if this is legal...

Our property has an old shallow level well-point, but it only provides water in winter. Also heard big numbers for deep boreholes...

Edit: http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/N...-for-repeat-water-wasters-warns-city-20170605
Thanks for clarification, I could have Googled.

I assume from what you have said the well point is shallow due to the rock below your property.

If you have not, you could query people in your immediate neighbourhood if they have had more success with their well point, meaning a bit deeper and water throughout summer. Its possible that blowing another hole in the opposite corner of your garden may have a different result.

Trying to help, hate to hear people's gardens are going to die.
The offer stands for water.
Otherwise mulch like crazy, 5 to 7cm thick and soak with what you have and hope it survives the summer.
 

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Tested my wellpoint today.. valves are shot again :/ More than one is open at the same time... pain in the arse every year. Comes from not being used enough in winter and algae growing in them.
 

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Thanks for clarification, I could have Googled.

I assume from what you have said the well point is shallow due to the rock below your property.

If you have not, you could query people in your immediate neighbourhood if they have had more success with their well point, meaning a bit deeper and water throughout summer. Its possible that blowing another hole in the opposite corner of your garden may have a different result.

It was worth posting the link, so that everyone can follow.

As I understand it, Wynberg/Kenilworth sits above granite, which weathers to impervious kaolin and clay. This puts it just outside the range of the Cape Flats Aquifer, which sits on porous sandy soil.

Our garden services guy does irrigation too, and we have discussed it with him. Our block of 36 flats has an extremely large garden, and we have mulched, but are facing the reality that it is too large to maintain (yet a big selling point).

Ironically we got 80mm of rain on Thurs 7th (orographic effect, being close to the mountain), but in summer it is as dry for everyone. Rich people problems...

Edit: Actually our garden pretty much died last summer already, since 1 hour twice a week with buckets doesn't really work in a block with 36 flats...
 
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The ANC must not be so quick to forget that it was not all that long ago that Gauteng was in dire straits when it came to it running out of water. Thankfully the rain came and filled up the dams. They should keep in mind though also that they are presiding over a country, not just one province that is considered a water scarce country and which is extremely vulnerable to rain fluctuations etc. It is only going to get worse. Best they stop throwing imaginary feces around and doing the blame game, and start putting forward a comprehensive and implementable plan for the country as a whole to make sure we have enough water for not only the people, but for industry to flourish also. We live in a country of which a very large chunk is semi arid......best we remember that and act like it and plan accordingly.

You are right the recent water crises (Gauteng, Cape Town, Free State etc) should have been a big enough wake-up call for the national govt to urgently work hand in hand with the local govts to implement a holistic solution. But water supply is a multi-billion Rand business which will attract the usual Gupta-like low lifes. Combine that with the corruption and incompetence of the ANC led govt and you see that water crises will be with us for the foreseeable future.
 
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Ironically we got 80mm of rain on Thurs 7th (orographic effect, being close to the mountain), but in summer it is as dry for everyone. Rich people problems...
I threw out 95mm on Friday, minus a few millimetres from the week before.
The open field across the road is daylighting the top of the Aquifer since Thursday's rain. :)

Good luck with the garden. Look into the 7 Principles of Xeriscaping for laying out gardens in low water areas.
 

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You are right the recent water crises (Gauteng, Cape Town, Free State etc) should have been a big enough wake-up call for the national govt to urgently work hand in hand with the local govts to implement a holistic solution. But water supply is a multi-billion Rand business which will attract the usual Gupta-like low lifes. Combine that with the corruption and incompetence of the ANC led govt and you see that water crises will be with us for the foreseeable future.
What exactly has local government done?
 

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You are right the recent water crises (Gauteng, Cape Town, Free State etc) should have been a big enough wake-up call for the national govt to urgently work hand in hand with the local govts to implement a holistic solution. But water supply is a multi-billion Rand business which will attract the usual Gupta-like low lifes. Combine that with the corruption and incompetence of the ANC led govt and you see that water crises will be with us for the foreseeable future.

Sorry but hello the DA sat there and did nothing. Regardless of whether or not the ANC gov should have / could have done more, the DA was at very complicit in not pushing and pushing until they did something. This is so typical of the DA they are so eager to win elections, they will sacrifice anything and anyone to make the ANC look bad and themselves look good. This makes them worse scum in my book, because they pretend they are so on the side of the people and walking around polishing their gawdamn halos in the press. Need a LOT of polish to get the tarnish off with the slimy things they do. IF people and animals die in CT this summer because of no water it is on EVERY ONE who knew, and who did nothing. EVERY ONE! Regardless of which party they belong to. There are no saints in this.
 

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All inclusive for 9m is R3999 and for 12m R5999. Will PM you his details. Im sure he will come out to Somerset.
please can you pm me the details also. thanks.

I have paved over my grass. not going to waste water on that.

I have a pool. which I don't want to fill in... yet. so I hoping I can use wellpoint water to top it up come summer. the rails have helped to fill it since last summer ended. but since we have no end in sight for water restrictions will need to look for other methods to top up the pool.
 

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Sure it does, but so is the influx of migrants from Eastern Cape looking for a better life I am sure. They all will be putting pressure on the city and its resources. You cant just close the Hugenoot Tunnel and say the city is closed for business so voetsek though. At least the ongoing developments will be paying for what they use and provide formal income to the city, which can then be used to up the water infrastructure, be it pipe lines or desal plants etc.

Except that this is precisely what has NOT been happening. And exactly WHY there is a problem. When all the blaming by the DA is said and done (ANC and evil residents who use too much) the bottom line is that as administrators of the city (and the province) have known about the water crisis since at least 2009 and done nothing. Nada. Zip. Zero. Nothing. So ultimately blame rests with them. May their chickens come home to roost at last and the PR facade can fall.
 

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Except that this is precisely what has NOT been happening. And exactly WHY there is a problem. When all the blaming by the DA is said and done (ANC and evil residents who use too much) the bottom line is that as administrators of the city (and the province) have known about the water crisis since at least 2009 and done nothing. Nada. Zip. Zero. Nothing. So ultimately blame rests with them. May their chickens come home to roost at last and the PR facade can fall.
The DA are to blame. But as stated in a couple of posts above this, the blame game is going to achieve absolutely nothing than get us riled up. If we had good rains the last two years all that would have happened is the DA would have carried on as per usual as all their plans to increase capacity were all shelved until 2020 or in the case of the Table Mountain Group Ground Spike I read 2024, better sooner than later as the crises could have been worse. At least we still have some water to save.

Hermanus 120km from Cape Town installed their ground spike in 2011 and they don't have water restrictions now. The City put their plan out to 2024 and who knows with these Municipalities, my experience is once a plan is shelved it can stay their for a lot longer than envisaged.

In regards to dates. The first set of water restrictions were instituted in the 2000/1 cycle, the second set of heavy water restrictions was 2004/5 when the Cape dams went to 25%. People forget, but during those two cycles gardeners were the target again with punitive measures. The difference then and now was that the rain fell a year or so later and we went back to full dams again after winter and all was forgotten. The only difference was The City coined a bucket load of money from the tariffs they enjoyed and once again I will say it here, it was all about the revenue stream back then and since then whenever the levels were implemented.
January 2017 saw the change in the revenue stream when Level 3B was instituted and since we are now on Level 4 and a few days ago Level 5, revenues is all but dried up for the City.
They cannot be making too much of a profit any more since the whole crises has gone viral and here lies another difference, it did not go viral in 2000/1 and 2004/5, it was business as usual.

We must never forget The City of Cape Town is a business like any other.

My input into anything that is Ratepayer related ended about 5 years ago when I finally realised that myself and The City are not on the same page. Their Ward Councillors would rather drink tea with the local ladies club than ever do anything constructive and the word proactive is a joke. The current Ward Councillor is now in his 4th term in office and if I can think of one thing he has been proactive about, nothing comes to mind.
The only time anyone cares about something in our area is if it directly relates to their immediate road or surroundings, for the rest they drive around with blinkers, the Councillor with an extra thick pair of blinkers.
I do my own thing, avoiding the Councillor and dealing directly with Council themselves if there is anything that needs attention.

Looking around The City must be spending Billions on the IRT/BRT bus development with some serious road upgrades. Until January this year I reckon a significant amount of money was skimmed from the water revenue to pay for it all, today I don't think so.

The City broke the water for us and for themselves. There is no buffer water left for gardening and no surplus funds from water to fund all the City's projects. We are all losers here.

But on the positive note, we are all learning valuable lessons on how to manage our water properly in the house and also what alternatives there are for the garden and perhaps that is where we should be.
 
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Believe me we need the DA in the Cape, just travel a little bit and see the areas under the cANCer. No water, electricity failures daily. Potholes that cars vanish into, filth everywhere. Cape Town is in very good condition. Bite the bullet and save water.
 

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Believe me we need the DA in the Cape, just travel a little bit and see the areas under the cANCer. No water, electricity failures daily. Potholes that cars vanish into, filth everywhere. Cape Town is in very good condition. Bite the bullet and save water.

*yawn*
 

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The DA are to blame. But as stated in a couple of posts above this, the blame game is going to achieve absolutely nothing than get us riled up. If we had good rains the last two years all that would have happened is the DA would have carried on as per usual as all their plans to increase capacity were all shelved until 2020 or in the case of the Table Mountain Group Ground Spike I read 2024, better sooner than later as the crises could have been worse. At least we still have some water to save.

Hermanus 120km from Cape Town installed their ground spike in 2011 and they don't have water restrictions now. The City put their plan out to 2024 and who knows with these Municipalities, my experience is once a plan is shelved it can stay their for a lot longer than envisaged.

In regards to dates. The first set of water restrictions were instituted in the 2000/1 cycle, the second set of heavy water restrictions was 2004/5 when the Cape dams went to 25%. People forget, but during those two cycles gardeners were the target again with punitive measures. The difference then and now was that the rain fell a year or so later and we went back to full dams again after winter and all was forgotten. The only difference was The City coined a bucket load of money from the tariffs they enjoyed and once again I will say it here, it was all about the revenue stream back then and since then whenever the levels were implemented.
January 2017 saw the change in the revenue stream when Level 3B was instituted and since we are now on Level 4 and a few days ago Level 5, revenues is all but dried up for the City.
They cannot be making too much of a profit any more since the whole crises has gone viral and here lies another difference, it did not go viral in 2000/1 and 2004/5, it was business as usual.

We must never forget The City of Cape Town is a business like any other.

My input into anything that is Ratepayer related ended about 5 years ago when I finally realised that myself and The City are not on the same page. Their Ward Councillors would rather drink tea with the local ladies club than ever do anything constructive and the word proactive is a joke. The current Ward Councillor is now in his 4th term in office and if I can think of one thing he has been proactive about, nothing comes to mind.
The only time anyone cares about something in our area is if it directly relates to their immediate road or surroundings, for the rest they drive around with blinkers, the Councillor with an extra thick pair of blinkers.
I do my own thing, avoiding the Councillor and dealing directly with Council themselves if there is anything that needs attention.

Looking around The City must be spending Billions on the IRT/BRT bus development with some serious road upgrades. Until January this year I reckon a significant amount of money was skimmed from the water revenue to pay for it all, today I don't think so.

The City broke the water for us and for themselves. There is no buffer water left for gardening and no surplus funds from water to fund all the City's projects. We are all losers here.

But on the positive note, we are all learning valuable lessons on how to manage our water properly in the house and also what alternatives there are for the garden and perhaps that is where we should be.


Absolutely agree proper water conservation at home and in the garden is essential, however it is still the responsibility of the city to ensure that development of resources keeps apace with population growth and development. You can't have as your long term solution for every one to use less in order to maintain supply. There is a limit to how much less a person can use, or is prepared to use. Not only that but those kind of measures usually impact the poor / lower classes the most. They are the ones who lack the resources to go out and put in a borehole, or a fancy restrictor, or rain tanks, or grey water systems. Even on this thread I see people casually say,'oh I will do x or y' which costs thousands of rands. Fine if you have the money, but what if you don't? What are ordinary people supposed to do? And collecting or redirecting the shower water isn't a great solution. Especially when you are only showering for 2 minutes because it is too damn expensive to do otherwise.

And I call it responsibility and holding people accountable. The only reason the DA is "blaming" residents and the ANC is make both pay. I, however, would like to see them take responsibility (or be held accountable) instead blindly thinking they are just wonderful all the time.

Believe me we need the DA in the Cape, just travel a little bit and see the areas under the cANCer. No water, electricity failures daily. Potholes that cars vanish into, filth everywhere. Cape Town is in very good condition. Bite the bullet and save water.

Sorry but I don't agree - what good are roads free of potholes if there isn't a drop of water to drink?


They could have done a lot more a lot sooner.

coulda, shoulda, didn't.
 
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