New York University professor fired after students say his class was too hard

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The firing of a New York University (NYU) professor who was the subject of a petition from students who said his class was too hard continues to stoke controversy, as some parents and teachers say the incident points to a lowering of academic standards.
The student petition protested that Jones’s class was too hard and that students lacked resources and help. It did not say the professor should be fired.

 

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Weird, but you do get some ******* professors. I remember one who reveled in the fact that he set his questions so no one could achieve 100% in his exams, one of those multiple professor courses where each one sets a question.

I mean you do get stories of lecturers who declare a pass rate at the beginning of the year. And yes, a course with a high failure rate does mean there may be a problem with the content and/or professor.
 

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I can think of a prof or 2 I would have liked to have been fired in my day on such merits, but back then it would have been me made out as being too unintelligent for the subject matter, not the prof's fault.
 

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Hey, South Efricans I taught said the same about me. 500 page book that we needed to finish in 3 months. "Classes are boring", "We are moving too fast".

Simple crimping of network cables were too hard for them as well. A simple writing on the board explaining the order in which 8 wires need to go in a certain order... "Too hard"

Oak is of retirement age, should retire and be done with it.

"a professor of organic chemistry", can imagine how hard that must be to teach.

*And we only had 2 classes a week, of which lasted 2 hours a session. School was licking your ass to pass.
 

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Had a prof that forgot we had an exam at the end of the semester. He just slapped an examination front page on the previous test we wrote half way through the semester and called it a day.

We sat for 1h in the exam venue waiting for him to bring the test papers.

Then we also had some subjects like Chemistry where even the Duly Performed target was lowered to 30% just to allow some students to write the exams. That was just a difficult subject regardless of the lecturers you had covering it. I ended up with a 62% for that exam and was frankly happy about it.

It swings both ways.
 

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The student petition protested that Jones’s class was too hard and that students lacked resources and help.


Dr. Jones, 84, is known for changing the way the subject is taught. In addition to writing the 1,300-page textbook “Organic Chemistry,” now in its fifth edition, he pioneered a new method of instruction that relied less on rote memorization and more on problem solving.

After retiring from Princeton in 2007, he taught organic chemistry at N.Y.U. on a series of yearly contracts. About a decade ago, he said in an interview, he noticed a loss of focus among the students, even as more of them enrolled in his class, hoping to pursue medical careers.
No wonder the snowflakes wanting to get into medical school were wailing. You tell any engineering student that your course requires problem solving over rote-learning and they will salivate at the mouth. Tell a medical student that they actually have to solve a problem instead of remembering a mnemonic and they will screech.


Then, as for "not having resources":

The problem was exacerbated by the pandemic, he said. “In the last two years, they fell off a cliff,” he wrote. “We now see single digit scores and even zeros. ”
After several years of Covid learning loss, the students not only didn’t study, they didn’t seem to know how to study, Dr. Jones said.

To ease pandemic stress, Dr. Jones and two other professors taped 52 organic chemistry lectures. Dr. Jones said that he personally paid more than $5,000 for the videos and that they are still used by the university.
That was not enough. In 2020, some 30 students out of 475 filed a petition asking for more help, said Dr. Arora, who taught that class with Dr. Jones. “They were really struggling,” he explained. “They didn’t have good internet coverage at home. All sorts of things.”
Imagine failing a class where your professor has taped every single lecture and you can go back and refer to it at any time during your studies


After the second midterm for which the average hovered around 30 percent, they said that many feared for their futures. One student was hyperventilating.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE


“Organic chemistry has historically been one of those courses,” Mr. Beckman said. “Do these courses really need to be punitive in order to be rigorous?”
Dr. Kirshenbaum said he worried about any effort to reduce the course’s demands, noting that most students in organic chemistry want to become doctors.

“Unless you appreciate these transformations at the molecular level,” he said, “I don’t think you can be a good physician, and I don’t want you treating patients.”


This is exactly right. Organic chemistry literally is the chemical foundation for medicine. It is like wanting to be an electrical engineer without understanding how electricity works. For example, if you go and read up how paracetamol works:
Supporting the first mechanism, pharmacologically and in its side effects, paracetamol is close to classical nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) that act by inhibiting COX-1 and COX-2 enzymes and especially similar to selective COX-2 inhibitors.[116] Paracetamol inhibits prostaglandin synthesis by reducing the active form of COX-1 and COX-2 enzymes. This occurs only when the concentration of arachidonic acid and peroxides is low. Under these conditions, COX-2 is the predominant form of cyclooxygenase, which explains the apparent COX-2 selectivity of paracetamol. Under the conditions of inflammation, the concentration of peroxides is high, which counteracts the reducing effect of paracetamol. Accordingly, the anti-inflammatory action of paracetamol is slight.[115][116] The anti-inflammatory action of paracetamol (via COX inhibition) has also been found to primarily target the central nervous system and not peripheral areas of the body, explaining the lack of side effects associated with conventional NSAIDs such as gastric bleeding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracetamol#Pharmacology

That is all based on organic chemistry. You have to have a good understanding of it. That is the differentiating line between an actual doctor and Dr Google.

https://archive.is/sV0Oy
 

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Hey, South Efricans I taught said the same about me. 500 page book that we needed to finish in 3 months. "Classes are boring", "We are moving too fast".

Simple crimping of network cables were too hard for them as well. A simple writing on the board explaining the order in which 8 wires need to go in a certain order... "Too hard"
Were you teaching a bunch of primary school children?
Oak is of retirement age, should retire and be done with it.

"a professor of organic chemistry", can imagine how hard that must be to teach.
Petition was about his teaching method.
*And we only had 2 classes a week, of which lasted 2 hours a session. School was licking your ass to pass.
 

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so only 80 out of 350 complained and he got fired? WTF. If 300+ failed I would have agreed... but jeez. Cmon.
Probably including many that would have failed anyway. Some subjects at varsity are just harder, you have to weed out the students in some way.
Compare "hard" to just plain quota enforcement pass rates like in post graduate Actuarial science.
 

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Weird, but you do get some ******* professors. I remember one who reveled in the fact that he set his questions so no one could achieve 100% in his exams, one of those multiple professor courses where each one sets a question.

I mean you do get stories of lecturers who declare a pass rate at the beginning of the year. And yes, a course with a high failure rate does mean there may be a problem with the content and/or professor.
I had a woman like that.
Horrible, but it taught us some lessons in how to ignore a cow..
 

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I blame the boomers for producing all these snowflakes.
Its not boomers per say.. but it was their generation that made parents who over compensated for having absent parents.

Generational problems
 

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“This year, our incoming freshman class looks to have seven percent black/African American and 15 percent Hispanic students for the New York campus, and so we are seeing our efforts to have a more diverse incoming class show steady improvement,” Knoll-Finn said.

Abbott also said that the university is actively trying to increase the enrollment of students from African-American, Latinx, Native American and South East Asian — Burmese, Cambodian, Hmong, Laotian, Thai and Vietnamese — backgrounds.

According to Parker, universities like NYU have every right to act affirmatively and target underrepresented communities.


“What the court has said is that diversity is recognized as being what’s called a compelling governmental interest,” Parker said. “That means that universities and colleges can take steps to create diverse learning environments in their schools.”

Parker explained that the consideration of race during the admissions process is legal as long as its inclusion does not negatively impact the majority of students. He also said that when deeming affirmative action policies acceptable, courts will check how often universities analyze their policies and if there are other practices that can create achieve the same effect.

Abbott confirmed that along with race and ethnicity, NYU also considers whether a student is choosing an underrepresented major, has the potential to be a star athlete or is the child of alumni, among other factors.

“I would note, however, that just because a college or university acts affirmatively for any particular student doesn’t mean other students are discriminated against,” Abbott said. “Every student has her/his own unique story to tell and will hopefully bring something compelling to the table beyond good grades and test scores — which simply are not enough to warrant a space at any selective college or university.”

https://nyunews.com/2017/09/05/its-affirmative-your-race-isnt-why-you-got-into-nyu/

I mean it just boggles my mind why they would now be having problems with students failing the course. It couldn't possibly be that they have diversity quotas and have dropped admission requirements in order to fill them.
 

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Read the article now. It’s not as if they fired a tenured professor. Dude was on contract. Department chair probably just got fed up with his kak.
 

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That's right NYU, lower your standards, see how well SA education system is doing.

I remember at school, the dumb kids (yes that what we call them) got 35% to 45%. Nowadays that is a pass. Lowering of standards was a crime against humanity by the ANC.

Education in USA is on the precipice of imploding due to the current delusional woke beliefs. Teachers expressing themselves are more important than Teachers teaching. Teachers lying about biology to conform to their woke delusions are more important than the facts. Teachers distorting history is more important than actual historical fact so as not to offend "tag a victim/oppressed/minority/SJW".
 

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Late 90s undergraduate law at Stellenbosch was brutal. At undergraduate level the classes were sometimes in excess of 300 students. At postgraduate (honours) LL.B level they could only accommodate about 130-150 students. How did they sift the undergraduate students? ... by failing them en masse.

1998 Second year Private Law ... a touch over 60% of the class failed.

That year the same happened in Biochemistry ... BUT the Executive Council of the University decided to adapt the Biochemistry marks in the Faculty of Natural Sciences but not in the Faculty of Law.
 
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