Newlands Stadium site could cost R115 million

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Newlands Stadium price at least R115 million - Rawson


Newlands Rugby Ground - if it ever comes up for sale - would cost at least R115 million.

Speculation is growing that rugby could be played at the Green Point Stadium after 2010. If so, what will happen to the Newlands Rugby Ground? What would the value be if it was sold for residential development purposes?

Paul Henry, a director of Rawson Developers, and his team have done some homework on this.

"We assume," says Henry, "that the council would consider seriously high-rise blocks of residential apartments and offices. This is, of course, only one possible option."

Henry says his investigation had been set in motion by his company's purchase of a 20 000m2 site a few hundred metres from Newlands (for a price of R32m). On this, Rawson hopes to build 260 apartments in 13 blocks, two and three storeys high. He had also heard reports that some form of large-scale development at Newlands had been proposed to the city leaders.

"In our investigation we assumed that an area of about 44 000m2 could eventually be covered by perhaps 400 apartments in blocks of varying sizes," he says.

"A development of the rugby grounds would be certain to raise objections from the local community, the Heritage officials, conservation officials and almost every Springbok and Western Province rugby supporter.

"However, Cape Town probably does not need two facilities of such a high standard as the Green Point stadium and Newlands, but it will take a lot to convince our rugby public."

Henry says Rawson developers, however, has to tread warily on its own project proposals.

But he adds the public also has to accept that densification and growth of already-developed areas are inevitable.

"Worldwide, this is the trend. With densification, traffic congestion will always be a major concern. Many of the streets in the older southern suburbs were designed for horse drawn transport. Redevelopment (on the scale envisaged by a possible takeover of Newlands) will call for a rethink on transport matters and, ultimately, systems that actually reduce the number of cars in the area.

"In most cases, Cape Town, Johannesburg and Durban support redevelopment proposals for large land parcels in already serviced areas. The developers, however, make a big contribution to the related infrastructure at Cape Town by paying to the council a bulk services levy of R10 000 to R35 000 for every development opportunity created.

"Every 10 fairly inexpensive sectional title apartments can, therefore, add about R350 000 to the developer's costs but this contribution can make a real difference to the transformation - and ultimate improvement of - the whole precinct," he said.

Published on the web by Cape Argus on December 20, 2008.
 

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The WP directors have never given a **** about the actual supporters. The debacle over removing our standing room. Selling off all their property surrounding Newlands and above town. And now moving from Newlands. The moronic FIFA, ANC and City Council can go eat **** for not situating the stadium in the area that needs it the most - Athlone. I see the Sharks face a similar problem with the Durban ANC lackey Sutcliffe trying to force them to use the new stadium. What twits.
 

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hrm that would be very very interesting.. no more newlands rugby traffic(its quite bad these days, a lot worse than cricket)
 

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I'll buy the ground and turn into into one massive parking lot. Problem solved
 

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The WP directors have never given a **** about the actual supporters. The debacle over removing our standing room. Selling off all their property surrounding Newlands and above town. And now moving from Newlands. The moronic FIFA, ANC and City Council can go eat **** for not situating the stadium in the area that needs it the most - Athlone. I see the Sharks face a similar problem with the Durban ANC lackey Sutcliffe trying to force them to use the new stadium. What twits.

There is a stadium in Athlone. An expansion would not meet FIFA requirements.
The stadium in Athlone will complete its upgrade during 2009.

So you argument that it "needs" a stadium is ridiculous when it already has one.

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You have actually been to Athlone Stadium right?

The decision to move will be taken by WP Rugby.
Green Point stadium has its own operator and management team who will operate the stadium and urban park and attract concerts and events with or without WP Rugby.

You can't blame the ANC or the city for the muck up WP Rugby have made.
Its created its own financial situation, and perhaps they aren't that silly to consider improving their financial muck up and move to a better stadium. That said, with or without WP Rugby, the show will go on.
 

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Cape Town Guy you seem to have lost the plot. Green point stadium cost billions of rands to complete and millions (if not billions) to run. You seem to think concerts and events will pay for it. You are clearly dreaming.

The people who will end up paying for the stadium are the Cape Town city rate payers. Finish and klaar. It IS a white elephant that will NOT pay for itself. I cannot believe you do not realise this??

Durban city pumpkin Mike Sutcliffe is trying any trick in the book to get the Sharks or any franchise to fill his extra stadium, post the SWC.

The decision to have the stadium in Greenpoint was forced onto the city by the FIFA officials who threatened pull the WC out of SA if the ANC did not comply.

Have you ever seen traffic into the foreshore and Waterfront on the weekend alone? How will the N2 end chokepoint deal with Soccer or Rugby fans on the weekend? By train?

What percentage of Greenpoint citizens are PSL soccer supporters?? I would hazard a guess of 5% at most.

Why spend all that money on 2 stadiums (Greenpoint + upgrading of Athlone) when 1 world class stadium could have been built in an area where the population supports teams like Ajax CT - and where upliftment of a relatively disadvantaged area will have the most effect. Do you really think Greenpoint is more deserving of renovated roads, business areas and infrastructure than Athlone????? You're dreaming!
 

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"There is a stadium in Athlone. An expansion would not meet FIFA requirements."
Don't expand it, refricken build it.

What about the loss of commonage in Greenpoint? or the ridiculous park being built, my girlfriend is on the design team for the park and maintenance costs for the park are predicted to be astronomical? Thats without having to divert the mountain stream for the water supply.

It looks like your argument is ridiculous (nice tone you have there). Enjoy your new rates bill in the coming year!
 

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"There is a stadium in Athlone. An expansion would not meet FIFA requirements."
Don't expand it, refricken build it.

What about the loss of commonage in Greenpoint? or the ridiculous park being built, my girlfriend is on the design team for the park and maintenance costs for the park are predicted to be astronomical? Thats without having to divert the mountain stream for the water supply.

It looks like your argument is ridiculous (nice tone you have there). Enjoy your new rates bill in the coming year!
The 2010 organizers turned Athlone down because it didn't provide a nice backdrop for TV. Too many poor people and it would be too big a job to correct. Access was also tricky.
 

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Cape Town Guy you seem to have lost the plot. Green point stadium cost billions of rands to complete and millions (if not billions) to run. You seem to think concerts and events will pay for it. You are clearly dreaming.

The people who will end up paying for the stadium are the Cape Town city rate payers. Finish and klaar. It IS a white elephant that will NOT pay for itself. I cannot believe you do not realise this??

Durban city pumpkin Mike Sutcliffe is trying any trick in the book to get the Sharks or any franchise to fill his extra stadium, post the SWC.

The decision to have the stadium in Greenpoint was forced onto the city by the FIFA officials who threatened pull the WC out of SA if the ANC did not comply.

Have you ever seen traffic into the foreshore and Waterfront on the weekend alone? How will the N2 end chokepoint deal with Soccer or Rugby fans on the weekend? By train?

What percentage of Greenpoint citizens are PSL soccer supporters?? I would hazard a guess of 5% at most.

Why spend all that money on 2 stadiums (Greenpoint + upgrading of Athlone) when 1 world class stadium could have been built in an area where the population supports teams like Ajax CT - and where upliftment of a relatively disadvantaged area will have the most effect. Do you really think Greenpoint is more deserving of renovated roads, business areas and infrastructure than Athlone????? You're dreaming!

Here we go again, this has been debated at length already.

Living up to your forum name I see;)
 

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Well Juggy, I must have missed that debate - although I joined a few years back, I only have 9 posts to my name - hardly ever come here, and then its only for the wifi section.
 

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Capetown guy, since this has been debated already, lets just go read the old posts regarding this subject.
 

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Well Juggy, I must have missed that debate - although I joined a few years back, I only have 9 posts to my name - hardly ever come here, and then its only for the wifi section.

Sorry bud, didn't mean to come across harshly. Everyone has their own opinions of the whoel debacle.

There was a ;) at the end as well.
 

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Cape Town Guy you seem to have lost the plot. Green point stadium cost billions of rands to complete and millions (if not billions) to run. You seem to think concerts and events will pay for it. You are clearly dreaming.

The people who will end up paying for the stadium are the Cape Town city rate payers. Finish and klaar. It IS a white elephant that will NOT pay for itself. I cannot believe you do not realise this??

Durban city pumpkin Mike Sutcliffe is trying any trick in the book to get the Sharks or any franchise to fill his extra stadium, post the SWC.

The decision to have the stadium in Greenpoint was forced onto the city by the FIFA officials who threatened pull the WC out of SA if the ANC did not comply.

Have you ever seen traffic into the foreshore and Waterfront on the weekend alone? How will the N2 end chokepoint deal with Soccer or Rugby fans on the weekend? By train?

What percentage of Greenpoint citizens are PSL soccer supporters?? I would hazard a guess of 5% at most.

Why spend all that money on 2 stadiums (Greenpoint + upgrading of Athlone) when 1 world class stadium could have been built in an area where the population supports teams like Ajax CT - and where upliftment of a relatively disadvantaged area will have the most effect. Do you really think Greenpoint is more deserving of renovated roads, business areas and infrastructure than Athlone????? You're dreaming!

1. Green Point stadium will cost R5 billion, an appropriate cost for a venue of this size, quality and construction timeframe. Maintenance has been capped at R5 million for the first three years covered by the operator, increasing with CPI after year 3. The operator will also invest R20 million within the first few years. The business plan of the stadium operator, who are experience and knowledgable indicates that the stadium will be modestly successful without a tenant. These are not my words, but of the team who run 5 stadia around the world successfully, including SAIL, the largest sports management company in South Africa who own large parts of a our major rugby unions.

2. As indicated above, the operator will cover the maintenance and running costs of the venue. In addition the city will earn 30% of the Earnings before Tax. If the experience stadium operator believed it was a white elephant they would not sign a 30 year lease.I will not apologize for believing the world of an experienced team, with a business and events plan that I have seen over your opinion based on opinion.

3. Durban's Sutcliffe is an idiot.

4. Durban's Sutcliffe is an idiot.

5. It is unlikely the Sharks will move because Durban's stadium includes an athletics track. Green Point Stadium is a better stadium than Newlands and brings fan closer, with optimal sightlines for rugby. Durban will announce its own operator tender to run its stadium following in the footsteps of Cape Town.

6. The decision of Green Point was taken after site feasiblity studies.
A major FIFA sponsor Coca-Cola requested that Cape Town play a larger role in the World Cup than simply hosting first round matches.
Sepp Blatter approached the Deputy President who indicated to the City that it would benefit more if it hosted matches up until the SF stage.
Wingfield, Blue Down, Newlands, Athlone and Culemborg were included in the study.

Wingfield was not available as it required a various land negotiations.
Newlands could not be expanded to meet the required capacity and score an extremely low score in various areas due to its residential location e.g. security, transport.

Athlone could not be expanded to meet the required capcacity. It also failed FIFA requirement in various areas including hospitality, security.

Culemborg was not available due to the Transnet Harbour Berth Deepening.

Within the time frame available Green Point was found to be the most suitable and received National Gvt. and FIFA approval.

7. A full transport plan developed over the last few years for the stadium has been developed. This includes the BRT system, road improvements, new train sets and so forth. The stadium is within the ideal distance of the City's largest transport hub, the most accessible and responsible for 400,000 of the 600,000 daily passenger trips in the city.

Please don't suggest transport issues and then put forward Newlands as an alternative.

8. PSL matches do not draw enough spectators to support a large stadium. This is why events, exhibitions and other multi-sport events are part of the business plan.

9. Approximately 22 million visitors visit the V&A annually, another 1.5 million visit Cape Town. The stadium and improvements are part of a a R30 billion investment in the Central City. Why should we not improve an area responsible for our major tourism revenues.

Remeber many of the road improvements are found in the Green Point Framework of 1995 and are not "new" projects.
Cape Town station and many projects are in use by millions daily.
 
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